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TV's with MPEG4 DTT decoder

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  • Registered Users Posts: 447 ✭✭ towbar


    Was in Watters Electrical in Culloville and they have the TX37LXD81 at £899 but you can usually bargain a good bit with them especially if there are competitive prices. They have the other freesat Panasonics but I dont have prices. They do a freesat install for €150 also. Worth a call as might save a trip to Belfast 048 3086 8296.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 11,757 Mod ✭✭✭✭ TheDriver


    UK Speccs generally receive UHF only analog which is fine if you live in a UHF only region such as myself. The z81 pana is a great deal as it apparently includes mpeg4 tuner for terrestrial, handles HD and also a built in freesat box for hd satellite


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭ fat-tony


    astrofluff wrote: »
    If I only have terrestrial analogue and won't be getting DTT till 2012 (officially), and have no cable and no dish, and still need to buy a TV, then would I snooker myself by buying a TV from the UK? I know there are band differences between TVs for UK and Ireland.



    That fact that the UK spec doesn't have VHF listed and also that the model number is purposely different, then does this mean that if I were to by the UK spec that I couldn't recieve analogue?
    If you're in North Wicklow, you may well be getting your analogue signal from Kippure which requires you to have a VHF tuner. Alternatively if you are picking up Three Rock, then UHF will get you the domestic channels - and is transmitting DTT:) (as is the Greystones relay).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 311 ✭✭ Skyhater


    towbar wrote: »
    Was in Watters Electrical in Culloville and they have the TX37LXD81 at £899 but you can usually bargain a good bit with them especially if there are competitive prices. They have the other freesat Panasonics but I dont have prices. They do a freesat install for €150 also. Worth a call as might save a trip to Belfast 048 3086 8296.

    Could you bargain them down to the £679.95 price in Richer Sounds :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,399 ✭✭✭ Charlie-Bravo


    Skyhater wrote: »
    Could you bargain them down to the £679.95 price in Richer Sounds :rolleyes:

    You could try...

    I'll give them a buzz to see how many they have in stock. I trust it's not a "pay here, wait two weeks till we get it in" scenario?!

    SHOPPING UPDATE: The only TV they have in Currys here in the South at the moment with DVB-T MPEG4 tuner is the Sony 42W4000. Sorry but it's too big for my milk float. I can't remeber the price but it's outside my price range anyway.

    I was hanging around in Mayo over the weekend and went to an Electrical retailer (won't name names), went in, looked at all the TVs - every single TV had all the promo stickers taken off the front of it. No TNT logos or digi tcks or anything...couldn't tell one Philips from the other...so this guy approaches me asking if I needed help. I replied that I couldn't tell which TV did what?! He said 'well, what do you need to know?'. I said, which ones can pick up Irish DTT? He said Irish DTT doesn't exist. I said maybe not in Mayo but it does in some places on a test basis. So I asked, which ones had DVB-T capablities? He said, I don't know and it doesn't matter! I was :confused:. yes, he said, once they start doing DTT all you need is a STB. Very good answer I thought. I then told him I didn't want another STB and then asked which TV they had which would have a DVB-T MPEG4 tuner. He said, well...sorry, we're told we can't discuss digital television...I asked, who said so? He said, a memo went around to all retailers saying that they can't discuss it with customers. oh, the beauty of being in rural ireland where secrets get let go easily. 15mins later he conceded that there is so many TVs for the Irish market out there that don't even have DVB-T let alone DVB-T MPEG4 that they don't want to scupper the potential customers and sales that go with it. So there we go!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭ pa990


    astrofluff wrote: »
    .......... there is so many TVs for the Irish market out there that don't even have DVB-T let alone DVB-T MPEG4 that they don't want to scupper the potential customers and sales that go with it. So there we go!

    That is so ridiculous, its actually believable



    Perhaps the retailers are aware that they can sell any auld tat to customers now, and in a few years time, they will all be beck to buy new TV's, or STB's.

    I've looked around TV stores lately, and in general i've found that staff dont have a fuppin' clue about DTT or what spec a TV needs to receive it. I ended up doing all my research online.. and buying online.

    One Philips store i was in, had predominately 'D' series Tv's on show and no knowledge of Mpeg4
    I believe that Ireland is a dumping ground for Models that arent wanted elsewhere


  • Company Representative Posts: 9,429 ✭✭✭ Richersounds.ie: John


    pa990 wrote: »
    That is so ridiculous, its actually believable



    Perhaps the retailers are aware that they can sell any auld tat to customers now, and in a few years time, they will all be beck to buy new TV's, or STB's.

    I've looked around TV stores lately, and in general i've found that staff dont have a fuppin' clue about DTT or what spec a TV needs to receive it. I ended up doing all my research online.. and buying online.

    One Philips store i was in, had predominately 'D' series Tv's on show and no knowledge of Mpeg4
    I believe that Ireland is a dumping ground for Models that arent wanted elsewhere


    PA, just a quick reply to your post!

    I'm not sure if you are referring to the actual Philips Shop in your post above -however here is the situation from the retailers perspective at the moment.

    There is of course a live trial of MPEG4 and our understanding is that this is the system that has been adopted by the dept of Communications for Ireland and as a retailer I would broadly support such a move - however to date, as a retailer we have not had one piece of official correspondance to inform, guide or instruct us as to the official situation - all information that we have learnt is in the public domain - ie the press or forums.

    I honestly feel that unlike the situation in the UK when freeview was in planning, trial and roll out where there was an organised publicity campaign we, both retailers and public are being left in the dark - and I cannot understand why.

    On your other subject - 'retailers are aware that they can sell old tat to Customers' - the situation is that we honestly do not have H/MPEG4 product to sell - this is because the vast majority of product imported into the country at the moment is not fitted with MPEG4 - unfortunately this is beyond the control of the retailer as we don't make the product - however I can say that personally I chase MPEG4 product EVERY WEEK from our various manufacturers.

    Of course to be fair to the manufacturers/distributors (and I in no waay speak for them) as well their issue is that the almost historic link with the UK may now be broken and supply of TV for the Irish market may become more difficult to plan, access and it will without doubt become more expensive.

    Sorry to be so long winded and I do appreciate your frustration - however as a fairly active boardie I can tell you that it's even more frustrating when your living depends on it!

    ATB,

    John Mc

    John McDonald / Managing Director / Richer Sounds Ireland / www.richersounds.ie / [email protected]



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,399 ✭✭✭ Charlie-Bravo


    towbar wrote: »
    Was in Watters Electrical in Culloville and they have the TX37LXD81 at £899 but you can usually bargain a good bit with them especially if there are competitive prices. They have the other freesat Panasonics but I dont have prices. They do a freesat install for €150 also. Worth a call as might save a trip to Belfast 048 3086 8296.

    Watters have plenty in stock, and yes they are selling them at £900 or €1000. ust to clarify is the TX-37LZD81. Its a couple of hundred £'s more expensive than Richer Sounds so when Richer Sounds get some in, I'll be getting an email from JohnMc himself ;)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 STB


    Hi John,

    Glad to see a retailer actually being proactive! Retailers were written to by their own retail association, CEDA a copy of which is on digitaltelevision.ie (as discussed herein the past). Either way the specification has been out there since February 2008 as was published by the BCI who are reponsible for licensing commercial DTT and who set MPEG4 as the minimum standard. The PSB, RTE also recently confirmed the spec in December 2008. It most definitely isnt MPEG2. Although there is nothing illegal about selling MPEG2 technology, I do personally believe that the consumer needs to be advised of what they are buying (especially in the current economic recession where we will see less and less subscribing to pay TV).

    This page provides useful information to retailers of TV equipment and to TV viewers.

    Information to Retailers

    From autumn 2009, a free-to-air Digital terrestrial TV (DTT) service providing access to the existing national TV channels and some new Irish TV channels will be launched in Ireland. A commercial DTT service will also be made available.

    The free to air service will be operated by RTÉ. There are engineering tests taking place initially in the East of the country and these will spread to other areas in preparation for service launch. These engineering tests carrying RTÉ, TV3 and TG4 are operating using the MPEG4 specifications. More details are available from RTÉ Networks Ltd. The Broadcasting Commission of Ireland (BCI) is responsible for contracting commercial DTT service providers. The BCI has indicated that ‘Boxer DTT Ltd’ will operate the commercial DTT service. Updated information on RTÉ's plans for DTT services and the plans for commercial DTT will be made available from digitaltelevision.ie and from http://www.rte.ie/, http://www.rtenl.ie/ and http://www.bci.ie/.

    A minimum specification for DTT receivers for the Irish Market has been finalised. This specification is available from the RTÉ website – http://www.rtenl.ie/

    Receivers on the Irish market will use the MPEG 4 compression standard which is being used in Estonia, Denmark, France, Hungary, Lithuania, Norway, Portugal, Slovenia, New Zealand and South Africa. More details are available from http://www.dvb.org/. This is different to the MPEG 2 compression standard used in the UK. Retailers should note that televisions with MPEG 2 tuners only, will not pick up the Irish DTT service when it develops.

    The Consumer Electrical Distributors Association, CEDA, has issued the following information notes 1 and 2 to retailers.

    Retailers are requested to ensure that iDTV’s on sale in Ireland will be compatible with the Irish DTT network, when it launches. In the meantime, it is vital that retailers ensure that customers are given accurate information about televisions currently for sale.Retailers are also urged to ensure that a sufficient range of receivers (including set top boxes, integrated digital televisions and personal video recorders) specified for use on the Irish DTT network are available to consumers for the launch of DTT services in Ireland.

    The French government in their legisalation have been more forceful in ensuring the right products are on the market.

    I can well imagine the difficulty in sourcing products for Ireland from UK stock given that the specification sheets on most UK sites are actually wrong or neglect to mention that the TV also has an MPEG4 HD TV tuner. That most of the manufacturers IE websites simply just transpose the UK site must also confuse retailers (imagine what effect that has on joe public!). The convenience of using UK stock as you pointed out is no longer a runner, unfortunately.

    I have no doubt that you wish to sell the right products and you may wish to look into this list below (ALL with Mpeg4 tuners as far as I have gathered). Some of these are freely available on the UK market by the by, so they probably dont even require sourcing from France!


    LG

    LG 42PG2500, LG 50PG2500, LG 42PG3500, LG 50PG3500,
    LG 32LG3500, LG 37LG3500, LG 42LG3500 LG 50PG4500
    LG 32LG5500, LG 37LG5500, LG 47LG5500, LG 52LG5500
    LG 42LG6500, LG 50LG6500 LG 32LG7500, LG 37LG7500,
    LG 42LG7500, LG 47LG7500, LG 52LG7500

    Panasonic

    TX-32LXD86FV, TX-37LXD86FV
    TH-42PZ81E, TH-46PZ81E, TH-50PZ81E
    TH-42PZ83E, TH-46PZ83E
    TH-42PZ86FV, TH-46PZ86FV
    TH-42PZ800E, TH-46PZ800E, TH-50PZ800E
    TH-58PZ800E, TH-65PZ800E
    TH-37PX81FV, TH-42PX81FV
    TH-42PZH8FV

    Philips
    37PFL5603H, 42PFL5603H, 47PFL5603H, 52PFL5603H
    52PFL7203H
    32PFL7403H, 37PFL7403H, 42PFL7403H, 47PFL7403H, 52PFL7403H
    37PFL7603H, 42PFL7603H, 47PFL7603H, 52PFL7603H
    37PFL9603H, 42PFL9603H, 47PFL9603H
    42PFL9703H, 42PFL9703H, 47PFL9703H, 52PFL9703H
    37PFL9803H, 42PFL9803H, 47PFL9803H
    37PFL9903H, 42PFL9903H, 47PFL9903H

    Samsung
    PS42A426, PS50A426, PS42A466, PS50A466/PS42A467,
    PS50A467, PS50A566/PS50A567, PS50A756, PS63A756,

    LE26A465, LE32A465, LE37A465, LE40A465
    LE26A466, LE32A466, LE37A466, LE40A466
    LE32A566, LE37A566, LE40A566, LE46A566,
    LE52A566, LE32A577, LE37A577, LE40A577,
    LE46A577, LE52A577, LE32A568, LE37A568,
    LE40A568, LE46A568, LE52A568, LE32A569,
    LE37A569, LE40A569, LE46A569, LE52A569
    LE37A626, LE40A626, LE32A676, LE37A676,
    LE40A676, LE46A676, LE52A676, LE37A696,
    LE40A696, LE46A696, LE32A756, LE40A756,
    LE46A756, LE52A756, LE40A796, LE46A796
    LE40A856, LE46A856, LE52A856, LE40A859,
    LE46A859, LE52A859, LE46A956, LE55A956


    Pioneer

    PDP-LX5090H, PDP-LX6090H
    KRP-500A, KRP-600A

    Sharp

    LC-46HD1E, LC-52HD1E
    LC-32DH65E, LC-37DH65E, LC-46DH65E, LC-52DH65E
    LC-32DH66E, LC-37DH66E, LC-46DH66E, LC-52DH66E
    LC-52XS1E

    Sony

    KDL-26E4000, KDL-26E4020, KDL-26E4050/KDL-26V4500,
    KDL-32V4500, KDL-37V4500 KDL-32E4000, KDL-32E4020,
    KDL-32E4030, KDL-32E4050 KDL-40E4000, KDL-40E4020,
    KDL-40E4030, KDL-40E4050 KDL-40W3000, KDL-46W3000,
    KDL-52W3000 KDL-32W4000, KDL-40W4000, KDL-46W4000,
    KDL-52W4000 KDL-40W4500, KDL-46W4500, KDL-52W4500
    KDL-40X3000, KDL-46X3000 KDL-40X3500, KDL-46X3500,
    KDL-52X3500, KDL-70X3500 KDL-40X4500, KDL-46X4500,
    KDL-55X4500 KDL-40Z4500, KDL-46Z4500, KDL-52Z4500
    KDL-40EX1, KDL-46EX1, KDL-52EX1
    KDL-40ZX1

    Toshiba

    32CV515DG, 37CV515DG, 42CV515DG
    32XV515DG, 37XV515DG, 42XV515DG
    32AV563DG, 37AV563DG 32AV565DG,
    37AV565DG 32XV565DG, 37XV565DG,
    42XV565DG, 46XV565DG, 52XV565DG
    32XV566DG, 37XV566DG, 42XV566DG
    40ZV575DG, 46ZV575DG


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 STB


    Retailers were written to by their own retail association, CEDA a copy of which is on digitaltelevision.ie (as discussed herein the past). Either way the specification has been out there since February 2008 as was published by the BCI who are reponsible for licensing commercial DTT and who set MPEG4 as the minimum standard. The PSB, RTE also recently confirmed the spec in December 2008. It most definitely isnt MPEG2. Although there is nothing illegal about selling MPEG2 technology, I do personally believe that the consumer needs to be advised of what they are buying (especially in the current economic recession where we will see less and less subscribing to pay TV).

    This page provides useful information to retailers of TV equipment and to TV viewers.

    Information to Retailers

    From autumn 2009, a free-to-air Digital terrestrial TV (DTT) service providing access to the existing national TV channels and some new Irish TV channels will be launched in Ireland. A commercial DTT service will also be made available.

    The free to air service will be operated by RTÉ. There are engineering tests taking place initially in the East of the country and these will spread to other areas in preparation for service launch. These engineering tests carrying RTÉ, TV3 and TG4 are operating using the MPEG4 specifications. More details are available from RTÉ Networks Ltd. The Broadcasting Commission of Ireland (BCI) is responsible for contracting commercial DTT service providers. The BCI has indicated that ‘Boxer DTT Ltd’ will operate the commercial DTT service. Updated information on RTÉ's plans for DTT services and the plans for commercial DTT will be made available from digitaltelevision.ie and from http://www.rte.ie/, http://www.rtenl.ie/ and http://www.bci.ie/.

    A minimum specification for DTT receivers for the Irish Market has been finalised. This specification is available from the RTÉ website – http://www.rtenl.ie/

    Receivers on the Irish market will use the MPEG 4 compression standard which is being used in Estonia, Denmark, France, Hungary, Lithuania, Norway, Portugal, Slovenia, New Zealand and South Africa. More details are available from http://www.dvb.org/. This is different to the MPEG 2 compression standard used in the UK. Retailers should note that televisions with MPEG 2 tuners only, will not pick up the Irish DTT service when it develops.

    The Consumer Electrical Distributors Association, CEDA, has issued the following information notes 1 and 2 to retailers.

    Retailers are requested to ensure that iDTV’s on sale in Ireland will be compatible with the Irish DTT network, when it launches. In the meantime, it is vital that retailers ensure that customers are given accurate information about televisions currently for sale.Retailers are also urged to ensure that a sufficient range of receivers (including set top boxes, integrated digital televisions and personal video recorders) specified for use on the Irish DTT network are available to consumers for the launch of DTT services in Ireland.

    The French government in their legisalation have been more forceful in ensuring the right products are on the market.

    I can well imagine the difficulty in sourcing products for Ireland from UK stock given that the specification sheets on most UK sites are actually wrong or neglect to mention that the TV also has an MPEG4 HD TV tuner. That most of the manufacturers IE websites simply just transpose the UK site must also confuse retailers (imagine what effect that has on joe public!). The convenience of using UK stock as you pointed out is no longer a runner, unfortunately.

    I have no doubt that you wish to sell the right products and you may wish to look into this list below (ALL with Mpeg4 tuners as far as I have gathered). Some of these are freely available on the UK market by the by, so they probably dont even require sourcing from France!


    LG

    LG 42PG2500, LG 50PG2500, LG 42PG3500, LG 50PG3500,
    LG 32LG3500, LG 37LG3500, LG 42LG3500 LG 50PG4500
    LG 32LG5500, LG 37LG5500, LG 47LG5500, LG 52LG5500
    LG 42LG6500, LG 50LG6500 LG 32LG7500, LG 37LG7500,
    LG 42LG7500, LG 47LG7500, LG 52LG7500

    Panasonic

    TX-32LXD86FV, TX-37LXD86FV
    TH-42PZ81E, TH-46PZ81E, TH-50PZ81E
    TH-42PZ83E, TH-46PZ83E
    TH-42PZ86FV, TH-46PZ86FV
    TH-42PZ800E, TH-46PZ800E, TH-50PZ800E
    TH-58PZ800E, TH-65PZ800E
    TH-37PX81FV, TH-42PX81FV
    TH-42PZH8FV

    Philips
    37PFL5603H, 42PFL5603H, 47PFL5603H, 52PFL5603H
    52PFL7203H
    32PFL7403H, 37PFL7403H, 42PFL7403H, 47PFL7403H, 52PFL7403H
    37PFL7603H, 42PFL7603H, 47PFL7603H, 52PFL7603H
    37PFL9603H, 42PFL9603H, 47PFL9603H
    42PFL9703H, 42PFL9703H, 47PFL9703H, 52PFL9703H
    37PFL9803H, 42PFL9803H, 47PFL9803H
    37PFL9903H, 42PFL9903H, 47PFL9903H

    Samsung
    PS42A426, PS50A426, PS42A466, PS50A466/PS42A467,
    PS50A467, PS50A566/PS50A567, PS50A756, PS63A756,

    LE26A465, LE32A465, LE37A465, LE40A465
    LE26A466, LE32A466, LE37A466, LE40A466
    LE32A566, LE37A566, LE40A566, LE46A566,
    LE52A566, LE32A577, LE37A577, LE40A577,
    LE46A577, LE52A577, LE32A568, LE37A568,
    LE40A568, LE46A568, LE52A568, LE32A569,
    LE37A569, LE40A569, LE46A569, LE52A569
    LE37A626, LE40A626, LE32A676, LE37A676,
    LE40A676, LE46A676, LE52A676, LE37A696,
    LE40A696, LE46A696, LE32A756, LE40A756,
    LE46A756, LE52A756, LE40A796, LE46A796
    LE40A856, LE46A856, LE52A856, LE40A859,
    LE46A859, LE52A859, LE46A956, LE55A956


    Pioneer

    PDP-LX5090H, PDP-LX6090H
    KRP-500A, KRP-600A

    Sharp

    LC-46HD1E, LC-52HD1E
    LC-32DH65E, LC-37DH65E, LC-46DH65E, LC-52DH65E
    LC-32DH66E, LC-37DH66E, LC-46DH66E, LC-52DH66E
    LC-52XS1E

    Sony

    KDL-26E4000, KDL-26E4020, KDL-26E4050/KDL-26V4500,
    KDL-32V4500, KDL-37V4500 KDL-32E4000, KDL-32E4020,
    KDL-32E4030, KDL-32E4050 KDL-40E4000, KDL-40E4020,
    KDL-40E4030, KDL-40E4050 KDL-40W3000, KDL-46W3000,
    KDL-52W3000 KDL-32W4000, KDL-40W4000, KDL-46W4000,
    KDL-52W4000 KDL-40W4500, KDL-46W4500, KDL-52W4500
    KDL-40X3000, KDL-46X3000 KDL-40X3500, KDL-46X3500,
    KDL-52X3500, KDL-70X3500 KDL-40X4500, KDL-46X4500,
    KDL-55X4500 KDL-40Z4500, KDL-46Z4500, KDL-52Z4500
    KDL-40EX1, KDL-46EX1, KDL-52EX1
    KDL-40ZX1

    Toshiba

    32CV515DG, 37CV515DG, 42CV515DG
    32XV515DG, 37XV515DG, 42XV515DG
    32AV563DG, 37AV563DG 32AV565DG,
    37AV565DG 32XV565DG, 37XV565DG,
    42XV565DG, 46XV565DG, 52XV565DG
    32XV566DG, 37XV566DG, 42XV566DG
    40ZV575DG, 46ZV575DG


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  • Company Representative Posts: 9,429 ✭✭✭ Richersounds.ie: John


    STB,

    Thanks for the (very) detailed reply!

    We ARE aware of the situation, but the point we are making is that we have become aware of it through our own digging! (we are not CEDA members) the general situation of awareness in the Irish market is woeful in comparison to the UK situation (that to be fair I am more familiar with).

    However again to be fair we all accept that system we have got in Ireland is a better system - the main issue I see is that of the serious list of TV's that you offered most are neither available via the UK or if they are, they are pretty pricey - whilst we all sometimes bristle at being an 'add-on' to the UK distributors order pads, there is an ecomony of scale gained from the historic attachment and I feel that the net result of the break with a UK standard, whilst better technically will hit our Customers in the pocket - specifically the close relationship with the UK market via the north (of which I have some experience) has always 'moderated' Irish price levels - I am unsure if Consumers will shop in France for comparison and therefore the relationship between UK & Irish pricing can be broken and this will end up costing the Customer more.

    I have not had a chance to review the whole thread (I will tonight) so I don't want to waffle on about issues that have almost certaintly been covered already - however if we were in a similiar situation to the French handling of the changeover whereby only suitable receivers were on the market - I feel that distributors and in turn retailers would be in (possibly forced to be in) a better situation - to the best of my limited knowledge there is no sign of this happening in the near future!

    Thanks again STB - to sum up - I think we are pretty much in complete agreement!
    :D

    John McDonald / Managing Director / Richer Sounds Ireland / www.richersounds.ie / [email protected]



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭ watty


    Retailers spotted by me with stupid Freeview only models of TV or SetBox:
    B&Q
    Marks & Spencers
    Tesco
    PC World/Currys
    Maplin

    Too busy thinking how much nicer the 40" Samsung was than Philips Ambilight in Harvey Norman to investigate Tuners.. Best LCD I've seen.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭ watty


    However if you want to record, then a PVR (setbox with DVB-t, dual Tuners and MPEG4 decoder and SCART + HDMI) is recommended. Then your TV needs HDMI for HD and SCART for regular TV. An non-HD set with SCART will view any future HD transmissions in regular SD format with such a setbox.

    Setbox with dual Satellite Tuner as well for BBC, ITV, C4 & Five and 40 other decent TV and many Radio.

    If the Setbox has a volume, Recording, DTT and Satellite then you only need one remote as the TV will normally only need turned on /off.

    So it's not the end of the world to be missing the MPEG4 decoder/DVB-t/DTT integrated tuner if the TV is otherwise good value and quality.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 STB


    I absolutely agree that the convenience of shipping LCDs being warehoused in the UK to Ireland (as a few extra sales) will be a habit that retailers may not wish to break.

    I know we are probably not a big country as sales go but I do wonder how the manufacturers feel towards their own brand products being wrongly stocked and sold wrongly in certain countries. I would imagine that brand loyalty is still a big issue especially with multinationals! It would be nice to see some items suitable for DTT being offered for sale at the very least. Correct labelling is also required. Outside of MHEG5, DTT it is the very same spec as TNT HD. Whats frightening is the level of knowledge out there among people working in retail shops.

    I think it is an embarrassment that knowledgeable punters have to ship the suitable DTT products in themselves from France. No doubt the whole issue of selling suitable goods will probably become a matter for the consumer association in the future, when customers wishing to watch DTT and who recently bought an LCD are told that it is not suitable for DTT and that they will have to put themselves to even more expense in buying a STB.

    I do notice that there are no real difference in price between MPEG4 on the ground in France and the MPEG2 equivalent being sold here!

    The UK and France having similar market numbers (i.e. 61 million populations)surely benefits the Irish consumer as regards product availability and competitive price.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭ pa990


    johnmc wrote: »
    PA, just a quick reply to your post!

    I'm not sure if you are referring to the actual Philips Shop in your post above -however .........

    John Mc

    I was referring to a shop that mainly has philips products in cork.
    And i was expressing, the impression that i have gotten from the sales people i have dealt with in cork city and surrounds.

    TBH, any dealing i've had with 'RS' and 'S & R' etc have been professional and knowledgeable


  • Company Representative Posts: 9,429 ✭✭✭ Richersounds.ie: John


    Thanks PA990 & STB!

    ATB,

    John Mc

    John McDonald / Managing Director / Richer Sounds Ireland / www.richersounds.ie / [email protected]



  • Registered Users Posts: 502 ✭✭ Finne1993


    Hi everyone, I've spent the last few months reading these threads with great interest about the whole DTV situation in Ireland so I've at last joined up and decided to get involved! I'm in Louth and I've got 2 Panasonic TH-42PX80B TV's and I've got a TH-50PX70BA also, both of which have only MPEG2 capabilities, I'm getting a perfect signal from 3 Rock on all of these TV's, I have a C/D green tipped aerial and a wideband Amplifier, (I need this because the aerial is diplexed with another for the BBC and ITV stations and that signal unfortunately comes from Kilkeel which does'nt carry the Freeview channels!) After a bit of reading up on the subject i bought a Neotion MPEG4 Viaccess cam from cdtronix and much to my disappointment it wont work in any of my TV's.frown.gif Is there any other setting I should enter or should the cam work a few seconds after i insert it? I left in for 15mins and still no joy. I also tried a re-scan but that did no good also. Its very frustrating because the 7 day epg works fine on it for all 8 services and the text is perfect and sound is crystal clear. If anyone out there can help I'd be extremely grateful, thanks.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 516 maxg


    @Finne1993
    Did you enable the mpeg4 to mpeg2 conversion in the cam menu?


  • Registered Users Posts: 502 ✭✭ Finne1993


    Apologies Watty, i was too eager to try and find a quick solution to my problem! Won't happen again, thanks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 502 ✭✭ Finne1993


    maxg wrote: »
    @Finne1993
    Did you enable the mpeg4 to mpeg2 conversion in the cam menu?

    Hi, thanks for the reply, yes I had MPEG4 enabled, that was the option on the the menu, just enable or disable MPEG4, there was nothing saying mpeg4 to mpeg2 conversion on the menu but I just assume thats the same thing. There was also an option to enable/disable SHL whatever that means, i just played about with these options and tried out different permutations and done a few re-scans but nothing doing! :confused: I'm left still scratching the head and wishing the PZ81 series was on the market when I was purchasing these TV's although I'm very happy with them, an excellent picture on them and a full five year warranty on top of that but just little blip of no Irish DTT picture. I'll cling onto the hope that some genius devises a CAM or plug in that will allow all MPEG2 TV's to operate MPEG4 without the need for a STB...! Any other suggestions anyone let me know, I'll post any new info i come across on the subject, thanks.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 516 maxg


    SHL is for SVxxx via hotbird. You don't need it.
    Did you reset the cam after enabling mpeg4?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭ D'Peoples Voice


    STB wrote: »
    Samsung
    LE26A465,

    Sony
    KDL-26E4000, KDL-26E4020, KDL-26E4050/KDL-26V4500,

    stb, thanks a million for that list.
    Do you mind if I ask you again to confirm that the LE26A465 is definitely compatible,
    I was previously told that only the Samsung 600 series and above were Irish DTT compliant.


  • Registered Users Posts: 502 ✭✭ Finne1993


    maxg wrote: »
    SHL is for SVxxx via hotbird. You don't need it.
    Did you reset the cam after enabling mpeg4?

    There is no function on the cam menu to reset the cam, well not that i can see anyway, i've been through every option on the menu 10 times over and all you can change is mpeg2 - mpeg4 or vice versa or enable shl. Every other sub menu requires a card and its just stuff like morality level, cam information, operator list, update etc.
    I'm just thinking I've a couple of old Art Sport Cards lying around, would'nt do any harm to stick one of them in to see if it'll give me a bit more access to the menu, it'll satisfy my curiosity if nothing else!
    I'll keep trying, keep any suggestions coming folks, I will crack it someday! Thanks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 STB


    stb, thanks a million for that list.
    Do you mind if I ask you again to confirm that the LE26A465 is definitely compatible,
    I was previously told that only the Samsung 600 series and above were Irish DTT compliant.

    Yes. And I am presuming that if there was anything that varies in that series of TV they would add an "e" "f" or whatever at the end like Panasonic do to control products by country. So yes is the answer has Mpeg4 tuner.

    HD TV : HDMI HDCP + 16:9 + YUV + 720 lignes min. + 720p/1080i + Tuner HD MPEG4

    http://www.lcd-compare.com/televiseur-SAMLE26A465-SAMSUNG-LE26A465.htm


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 311 ✭✭ Skyhater


    STB wrote: »
    Hi John,

    Glad to see a retailer actually being proactive! Retailers were written to by their own retail association, CEDA a copy of which is on digitaltelevision.ie (as discussed herein the past). Either way the specification has been out there since February 2008 as was published by the BCI who are reponsible for licensing commercial DTT and who set MPEG4 as the minimum standard. The PSB, RTE also recently confirmed the spec in December 2008. It most definitely isnt MPEG2. Although there is nothing illegal about selling MPEG2 technology, I do personally believe that the consumer needs to be advised of what they are buying (especially in the current economic recession where we will see less and less subscribing to pay TV).



    The French government in their legisalation have been more forceful in ensuring the right products are on the market.

    I can well imagine the difficulty in sourcing products for Ireland from UK stock given that the specification sheets on most UK sites are actually wrong or neglect to mention that the TV also has an MPEG4 HD TV tuner. That most of the manufacturers IE websites simply just transpose the UK site must also confuse retailers (imagine what effect that has on joe public!). The convenience of using UK stock as you pointed out is no longer a runner, unfortunately.

    I have no doubt that you wish to sell the right products and you may wish to look into this list below (ALL with Mpeg4 tuners as far as I have gathered). Some of these are freely available on the UK market by the by, so they probably dont even require sourcing from France!


    LG

    LG 42PG2500, LG 50PG2500, LG 42PG3500, LG 50PG3500,
    LG 32LG3500, LG 37LG3500, LG 42LG3500 LG 50PG4500
    LG 32LG5500, LG 37LG5500, LG 47LG5500, LG 52LG5500
    LG 42LG6500, LG 50LG6500 LG 32LG7500, LG 37LG7500,
    LG 42LG7500, LG 47LG7500, LG 52LG7500

    Panasonic

    TX-32LXD86FV, TX-37LXD86FV
    TH-42PZ81E, TH-46PZ81E, TH-50PZ81E
    TH-42PZ83E, TH-46PZ83E
    TH-42PZ86FV, TH-46PZ86FV
    TH-42PZ800E, TH-46PZ800E, TH-50PZ800E
    TH-58PZ800E, TH-65PZ800E
    TH-37PX81FV, TH-42PX81FV
    TH-42PZH8FV

    Philips
    37PFL5603H, 42PFL5603H, 47PFL5603H, 52PFL5603H
    52PFL7203H
    32PFL7403H, 37PFL7403H, 42PFL7403H, 47PFL7403H, 52PFL7403H
    37PFL7603H, 42PFL7603H, 47PFL7603H, 52PFL7603H
    37PFL9603H, 42PFL9603H, 47PFL9603H
    42PFL9703H, 42PFL9703H, 47PFL9703H, 52PFL9703H
    37PFL9803H, 42PFL9803H, 47PFL9803H
    37PFL9903H, 42PFL9903H, 47PFL9903H

    Samsung
    PS42A426, PS50A426, PS42A466, PS50A466/PS42A467,
    PS50A467, PS50A566/PS50A567, PS50A756, PS63A756,

    LE26A465, LE32A465, LE37A465, LE40A465
    LE26A466, LE32A466, LE37A466, LE40A466
    LE32A566, LE37A566, LE40A566, LE46A566,
    LE52A566, LE32A577, LE37A577, LE40A577,
    LE46A577, LE52A577, LE32A568, LE37A568,
    LE40A568, LE46A568, LE52A568, LE32A569,
    LE37A569, LE40A569, LE46A569, LE52A569
    LE37A626, LE40A626, LE32A676, LE37A676,
    LE40A676, LE46A676, LE52A676, LE37A696,
    LE40A696, LE46A696, LE32A756, LE40A756,
    LE46A756, LE52A756, LE40A796, LE46A796
    LE40A856, LE46A856, LE52A856, LE40A859,
    LE46A859, LE52A859, LE46A956, LE55A956


    Pioneer

    PDP-LX5090H, PDP-LX6090H
    KRP-500A, KRP-600A

    Sharp

    LC-46HD1E, LC-52HD1E
    LC-32DH65E, LC-37DH65E, LC-46DH65E, LC-52DH65E
    LC-32DH66E, LC-37DH66E, LC-46DH66E, LC-52DH66E
    LC-52XS1E

    Sony

    KDL-26E4000, KDL-26E4020, KDL-26E4050/KDL-26V4500,
    KDL-32V4500, KDL-37V4500 KDL-32E4000, KDL-32E4020,
    KDL-32E4030, KDL-32E4050 KDL-40E4000, KDL-40E4020,
    KDL-40E4030, KDL-40E4050 KDL-40W3000, KDL-46W3000,
    KDL-52W3000 KDL-32W4000, KDL-40W4000, KDL-46W4000,
    KDL-52W4000 KDL-40W4500, KDL-46W4500, KDL-52W4500
    KDL-40X3000, KDL-46X3000 KDL-40X3500, KDL-46X3500,
    KDL-52X3500, KDL-70X3500 KDL-40X4500, KDL-46X4500,
    KDL-55X4500 KDL-40Z4500, KDL-46Z4500, KDL-52Z4500
    KDL-40EX1, KDL-46EX1, KDL-52EX1
    KDL-40ZX1

    Toshiba

    32CV515DG, 37CV515DG, 42CV515DG
    32XV515DG, 37XV515DG, 42XV515DG
    32AV563DG, 37AV563DG 32AV565DG,
    37AV565DG 32XV565DG, 37XV565DG,
    42XV565DG, 46XV565DG, 52XV565DG
    32XV566DG, 37XV566DG, 42XV566DG
    40ZV575DG, 46ZV575DG

    Hi Stb,

    Gread list!!! . I've noticed that neither The Panasonic TX37LZD81 or Panasonic TX32LZD81 are on your list. I believe they are MPEG4 Tv's???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 STB


    Indeed Skyhater, I will edit the orginal. There is infact various models in that range of Panasonic TX37LZD81 and TX32LZD81. They have the letters B, E, or F to denote the country model. So those considering buying one should be careful if they looking for the fresat tuner as well. If they are listed on a British internet site then you could assume that it is the B model, some do, some dont list the model.

    B = is the British model that includes a freesat tuner (and freeview tuner - which I am almost certain will pick up DTT as it uses the MPEG4 chipset which is used to decode the DVB-S HD Channels). It may be the same technology used in the PZ81B series. I will know next week when I test it.

    The F version is for France and does not include the freesat tuner (but does have a dvb-t tuner MPEG4 H264). Dont know what the E is. It may be Estonia.

    By the way the Pionner series listed also have dvb-s/dvb-s2 tuners PDP-LX5090H, PDP-LX6090H
    KRP-500A, KRP-600A (not freesat menu etc though)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 311 ✭✭ Skyhater


    STB wrote: »
    ............B = is the British model that includes a freesat tuner (and freeview tuner - which I am almost certain will pick up DTT as it uses the MPEG4 chipset which is used to decode the DVB-S HD Channels). It may be the same technology used in the PZ81B series. I will know next week when I test it......

    Looking forward to hearing results from your test.

    Can anyone confirm that they have used the TX37LZD81 or TX32LZD81 to pick up Irish DTT's????
    Also, Does anyone know how this tv (or any other MPEG4 DTT TV's/STB's) handles receiving both Irish DTT and UK Freeview (...in Border Area's, etc).


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 11,757 Mod ✭✭✭✭ TheDriver


    Saw few here that can pick up mpeg4 using z81 for dtt, I'min Mullaghanish area so can't confirm for another few weeks


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭ D'Peoples Voice


    STB wrote: »
    Yes. And I am presuming that if there was anything that varies in that series of TV they would add an "e" "f" or whatever at the end like Panasonic do to control products by country. So yes is the answer has Mpeg4 tuner.

    HD TV : HDMI HDCP + 16:9 + YUV + 720 lignes min. + 720p/1080i + Tuner HD MPEG4

    http://www.lcd-compare.com/televiseur-SAMLE26A465-SAMSUNG-LE26A465.htm

    STB,
    you're a bleedin legend,
    thanks, very much appreciated.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,812 ✭✭✭ swoofer


    Can I assume that a UK Model Panasonic 50PZ800 will have an MPEG4 decoder and will work with the Irish DTT when it arrives? Its cheap from uk but the 800E is very dear.

    gb--


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