Ban UFC/MMA from Ireland.

FlutterinBantam · 15-01-2009 10:22PM

An File wrote: »

Do you still believe in Santa, as well as believing that Fight Club was a factual documentary?

Friend, I have no interest in either Santa or Fight Club., I'll leave those things to people like yourself.

Riddle101 · 15-01-2009 11:01PM

I think it's stupid to ban UFC/MMA from Ireland, it's a great sport and proberly the best sport in the world next to Boxing and Thai Boxing. People who say it's too violent should seriously STFU

FlutterinBantam · 15-01-2009 11:03PM

I think it's a load of crap,run by punters who are out to make a quick buck and is about as authentic as Dog The Bounty Hunter.

MizzLolly · 15-01-2009 11:06PM

While I don't enjoy watching it myself, I don't agree with banning it. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Simple as.

Valmont · 15-01-2009 11:12PM

FlutterinBantam you are trolling because the content of your controversial posts shows that you have absolutely no idea or even the slightest conception about this sport. You see punching, kicking and wrestling and somehow this has brought you to the ridiculously illogical conclusion that it's some sort of scumbag sport.

You have also made some blatantly rash generalisations about the competitors in this sport which just makes you look even stupider. Have you visited one of the many MMA clubs in this country? I have and there are people from all walks of life that train in these gyms.

You should really stop posting in this thread because anymore of your complete nonsense will probably enrage the sensible, tolerant, rational posters so much that their heads might explode. And that would be awful, because then it'll only be you left and who could you patronise then?

Ross_Mahon · 15-01-2009 11:19PM

I love seeing all the different fighting styles against each other, i don't mind boxing, but UFC is some much better, For the people that don't like it or want it banned, Just don't watch it then.

FlutterinBantam · 15-01-2009 11:24PM

Because I disagree with the concept of this so called sport I suddenly am trolling.??

I am fully entitled on the AH forum to voice my opinion on this subject.

The fact that so far I am in the minority on this issue does not mean I am a troll.

Internet fora are there for that purpose and I would point out that calling someone stupid is personal abuse.

If you don't agree with what i am saying, then refute it, but resorting personal abuse and threats is not the way to go my friend.

rovert · 15-01-2009 11:27PM

Unaton wrote: »

Its generally little scobie knacks who follow this crap anyway, the O2 will be like a Schooter gig

That isnt true demographics have shown that most UFC viewers are highly eduacted young people hence their shows attract high end advertising. I dont think little scobie knacks could understand it to be honest.

Lockstep · 15-01-2009 11:28PM

I fail to see the problem with UFC.

The blue-rinse brigade call into Joe Duffy about the most retarded of things and they will be quoted by other busybodies who argue with you the next day. "I heard a doctor this afternoon on Joe DUffy who was talking about airsoft guns, they should all be banned" etc

What is the problem with UFC? Presumably it's like boxing/thai boxing and clubs will have a rigid charter and take steps to prevent misuse of the skills. If someonw wants to compete with others then I imagine they are much better off doing so in a controlled environments than in street fights.

FlutterinBantam · 15-01-2009 11:34PM

kickoutthejams wrote: »

I fail to see the problem with UFC.

The blue-rinse brigade call into Joe Duffy about the most retarded of things and they will be quoted by other busybodies who argue with you the next day. "I heard a doctor this afternoon on Joe DUffy who was talking about airsoft guns, they should all be banned" etc

What is the problem with UFC? Presumably it's like boxing/thai boxing and clubs will have a rigid charter and take steps to prevent misuse of the skills. If someonw wants to compete with others then I imagine they are much better off doing so in a controlled environments than in street fights.

So if the don't like the concept ,they are retarded.

Is that your point. Are they not entitled to an opinion like anyone else??

Judomad · 15-01-2009 11:37PM

the idea of banning MMA in ireland is rediculous...i have a few points to make and anybody who wishes to agree or disagree with me i look forward to both so let me know your opinion...

Human cockfighting and animal fighting in a cage?? where does this come from? It is called MMA for a reason...MIXED "MARTIAL ARTS"....
yes i agree there are meatheads who throw on a UFC tshirt on a saturday night and go out on the booze telling people there "cage fighters" 90% of the time if you ask them where they train or who they train with there answer will be "eehhhh ya know that gym down the road from so and so, and ehh i dont remember the lad who teaches name" but for us actual MMA-ists this is laughable...it really is...

What is wrong with 2 people "choosing" to train there hearts out and competing in an octagonal shaped boxing ring which has a fence to hold them in(reason being when the fight goes to the groung too many times than not people will come close to falling out of a boxing ring) its there choice.
I train literally twice a day for MMA, it was originally my choice of hobby but with recent offers and other things it will soon be my career, a job, like a full time professional boxers job is to train and to box......

the "sport" of MMA is hugely regulated and when the UFC is in Las Vegas it is authorised and regulated by the Nevada State Athletic Commision(the same commision that regulates boxing) therefore the same strickness if not more regulations are set in MMA. The referee plays a huge role in fighter "safety" if an oponent cannot properly defend himself the referee will not allow the bout to continue as they would in boxing....

These men you will see on Saturday night competing in the UFC are more than likely ALL training full time and MMA is there career, this means hugely intense training every day of the week....i'd like to see any of the uneducated morons who haven't the slightest idea about MMA train this hard.....

I can guarantee if these uneducated people sat down with someone who actually knows the ins and out of MMA and watched a full fight card asking questions regarding what is happening in the cage at the time they would actually change there opinion on MMA completely...........

ok rant over.....for now:D:D:D:D

orestes · 15-01-2009 11:38PM

The people who would want UFC banned are the same people who would want pro wrestling banned (imo there is way more reason to have pro wrestling banned actually).

Legitimate professional athletes competing, what's the problem? It's not like anyone is being forced to watch it or get in the octogon themselves. If people want to compete or watch, that's their choice, if you don't like it just change the channel and leave 'em to it

Dyr · 15-01-2009 11:40PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Because I disagree with the concept of this so called sport I suddenly am trolling.??

yeah, you wish.

wiki on trolls:
"someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response"

that's why

You havent made any coherent arguments here, just aired some weird sterotypes that exist only in your head. Even by your standards it's a pretty piss poor attempt, probably only a 3/10.

FlutterinBantam · 15-01-2009 11:42PM

What's wrong with two people "choosing" to have a duel with swords on Grafton St next Monday afternoon.

Valmont · 15-01-2009 11:47PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

What's wrong with two people "choosing" to have a duel with swords on Grafton St next Monday afternoon.

1. There will probably be no referee.
2. The rules are a little foggy regarding dueling on Grafton street.
3. Sword fights usually (I would imagine) end in someone being killed.

orestes · 15-01-2009 11:50PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

What's wrong with two people "choosing" to have a duel with swords on Grafton St next Monday afternoon.

There are so many inconsistancies in comparing that situation to a UFC match that I'm not even going to bother pointing them out as I would consider them to be self-evident to anyone with even the scarcest knowledge of UFC

FlutterinBantam · 15-01-2009 11:50PM

Bambi wrote: »

yeah, you wish.

wiki on trolls:
"someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response"

that's why

You havent made any coherent arguments here, just aired some weird sterotypes that exist only in your head. Even by your standards it's a pretty piss poor attempt, probably only a 3/10.

Your opinion friend.

There are a lot of stereotypes being thrown around here by supporters of this so called sport.

This is a general discussion forum and just because someone takes a contrary view shouldn't mean that they should be subject to abuse.

This sport in my opinion is just an excuse for testosterone fuelled punters to gain some kind of recognition for something most people with common sense would call barbaric.

I am entitled to my opinion and there it is.

iPlop · 15-01-2009 11:51PM

Riddle101 wrote: »

I think it's stupid to ban UFC/MMA from Ireland, it's a great sport and proberly the best sport in the world next to Boxing and Thai Boxing. People who say it's too violent should seriously STFU

Just like the movie snatch! full of pikey fecks in backwater sh1te

15-01-2009 11:55PM

I love how it takes the big show coming to town for the oh-no brigade to kick up a fuss. The reality is that MMA has been in this country for a number of years. The old Point Depot and the National Stadium have hosted a large UK Promotion. The UFC has been on this island before when it came in June 07 to the Odyssey Arena in Belfast. It's here, get used to it. These people are looking for something to complain about. Where have they been for all of the countless MMA events that have been running legally in this country for years?

Unaton wrote: »

How is kicking the s*ite out of each other a sport?

Works well for Rugby/GAA/American Football/Aussie Rules etc doesn't it? At least in UFC that's the objective so no stupid injuries occur due to cheap shots..... How many citings a year are there in rugby for fish hooking and eye gouging? Too many. That kinda behavior gets you banned in rugby for a month or 2. If you did that to someone intentionally in UFC you would be banned from the sport for life.

Did Joe Duffy have a radio bitchfest when Kenny Egan boxed for a medal? Frankly, if you're getting bitched about on the Joe Duffy show then it shows that you're doing something right.

Gerry Ryan did a very pro MMA piece yesterday. I actually met him at a UFC show in London last year and he's a fan of the sport. Where's the thread celebrating the fastest growing sport in the world coming to our small city before it makes it to places like New York (Where it's still banned but likely to be overturned very soon), Mexico, Australia, or any European city outside of England. this thing is huge and they're coming here. We should be honored. It attracts massive crowds from outside of the country (loads from North America and England in particular) which will help the citys tourism. But nah, let's stick to moaning. Us Irish are WAY better at that.

Wompa1 wrote: »

Didn't John McCain want to get it banned too? And its banned in a few places in North America? Personally I think its great!! F**k em up Lesnar!

No. When it first started out it was a shambles with no governing bodies and no weight classes. McCain wanted it to be regulated which I 100% agree with. It is regulated now. You have to get a license from the commission to fight (which is given after your physical and mental health are considered) and you no longer fight guys bigger or smaller than you unless you're at heavyweight.

Raze_them_all wrote: »

Chuck Lidell is a qualified accountant
Forrest griffen was a police officer as was Andre Arlovski
Bj Penn comes from a very wealthy family and has no need to compete.
Chris Lytle was/is a firefighter
Thats those I know, There's plenty more out there

Don't forget Philippe Nover - qualified nurse/paramedic!

shane86 wrote: »

Have any of you actually seen UFC late night on Setanta? Of course it should be banned.

Not because it is violent. Because....its utter sh1te.

You brought this up a few months ago in another thread (think it was the Off Topic Thread in Soccer and you never wrote back to me). You seem to spend a lot of time watching something that you don't like. Seems kinda strange.

shane86 wrote: »

Honest to christ, it is like the fights you used to have in national school.......except in your underpants......with an excessively homo erotic amount of hugging each other or carrying out moves that in some religious virginity cults is known as "dry humping". While it is not exactly Darts there are a serious amount of unfit looking fighters panting their way from the off. Ive never seen a worse excuse for a sport, and I once watched 20 minutes of baseball sober. Even the fat gypsies who knock the head off each other on some laneway on Youtube fight with more skill.

You made this point the last time and my offer still stands. What weight are you? I'll find you a guy at your weight class to fight. My bet is that you last less than a minute "dry humping". Why? Because it's incredibly technical and if you don't know how to do it you will get annihilated quite quickly by someone with even rudimentary knowledge of it. You imply it's easy but my guess is you've never trained or seen the kind of training that these guys go through. So frankly your opinion is null and void because you simply haven't the foggiest what you're talking about.

shane86 wrote: »

Its generally little scobie knacks who follow this crap anyway, the O2 will be like a Schooter gig

Again, spoken like someone who's never been to a UFC event. It's about the most mixed crowd you will find. Wake up call....there are scobes at EVERYTHING.... it's unavoidable. I've found there to be more trouble at your average concert than at a UFC event. I go to on average about 15-20 gigs a year and I've been to 3 UFC events so I'm well placed to make that statement. Your statement on the other hand is pure ignorance based on guesswork and your own misinformed preconceived notion about what the sport is and the type of people who would attend the event.

rossie1977 · 15-01-2009 11:58PM

if you ban mma, surely you need to go the full way and ban every other full contact combat sport that goes into making up mma such as boxing, kickboxing, wrestling, karate, judo, jujutsu, Muay Thai etc

FlutterinBantam · 16-01-2009 12:01AM

Where's the logic in that?

16-01-2009 12:04AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Where's the logic in that?

They're all violent. How do you determine which is more violent than the other?

Just because you don;t like how the UFC looks, doesn't make boxing/kickboxing etc any less violent.

krudler · 16-01-2009 12:04AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Where's the logic in that?

Wait, do you consider boxing a sport but not UFC?

rovert · 16-01-2009 12:05AM

Seriously lads dont feed the trolls as they arent that interesting or well thought out in the first place.

16-01-2009 12:06AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Where's the logic in that?

Where's the logic in any of this ?

Just people trying to find something to vent there frustration and and pick on a sport that is a little rougher than others.
Not like people are thrown in the ring to fight to the death ,
the are rules regulations and they want to do it.
They do not harm anyone else and they enjoy it . What happens in the ring stays in the ring.

Valmont · 16-01-2009 12:06AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Because I disagree with the concept of this so called sport I suddenly am trolling.??

You have exhibited a complete lack of understanding of the concept of this sport. You have based your opinions on a few ridiculous stereotypes. Anyone who follows, trains or competes in MMA knows that these stereotypes are completely untrue.

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

I am fully entitled on the AH forum to voice my opinion on this subject.

You certainly are, but you are not entitled to your own facts. You obviously know nothing about MMA yet continue to postulate your ridiculous opinions the sport. MMA fans like myself either know, compete or train with practitioners of this sport and therefore our opinions hold much more rational sway than your, obviously, uneducated ones.

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Internet fora are there for that purpose and I would point out that calling someone stupid is personal abuse.

If you don't agree with what i am saying, then refute it, but resorting personal abuse and threats is not the way to go my friend.

The perjorative generalisations you have made about the fanbase and competitors constitute personal abuse. Are you actually concerned about MMA or are you just exercising your right to free speech?

Tyler MacDurden · 16-01-2009 12:07AM

A few pro-MMA points for your perusal:

The sport's skillset: Boxing, wrestling, judo, muay thai, jiu jitsu, karate; Individually, they're commonplace and no-one questions their validity as sports. Suddenly, when they're all combined, it's savagery and human cock-fighting?

Risk of injury: How many other combat sports can end without a punch being thrown with neither fighter so much as scratched? Anyhow, no-one's being forced to fight, you choose your own level of risk.

The cage: Primarily for fighter safety. At an event that used a ring, I saw an unfortunate Lithuanian almost land in the trophies and medals. With a cage, this can't happen, safer all round for fighters and audience.

The fan & fighter demographic: For what it's worth, here's the audience in my sitting room for UFC 92 - an engineer, an artist:rolleyes:, an Army officer, a financial controller and a Classical scholar.

As for thuggery among fighters, anyone I've met in the sport wouldn't tolerate scumbags in their gym. Of course there wil be exceptions, but for the most part MMA guys/gals are decent people.

Steve.Pseudonym · 16-01-2009 12:09AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Your opinion friend.

There are a lot of stereotypes being thrown around here by supporters of this so called sport.

This is a general discussion forum and just because someone takes a contrary view shouldn't mean that they should be subject to abuse.

This sport in my opinion is just an excuse for testosterone fuelled punters to gain some kind of recognition for something most people with common sense would call barbaric.

I am entitled to my opinion and there it is.

You have a serious chip on your shoulder which you're attempting to back up with utter nonsense. Consenting adults can do whatever they want, your opinion is not asked for nor is your consent required. I don't see why you feel the need to insult everyone involved with the sport, I'm not involved with it myself and have only watched it a few times, but I find your attitude frankly disgusting.

If you aren't trolling I'm shocked.

FlutterinBantam · 16-01-2009 12:12AM

Consenting adults cannot do whatever they want.

FlutterinBantam · 16-01-2009 12:14AM

Valmont wrote: »

You have exhibited a complete lack of understanding of the concept of this sport. You have based your opinions on a few ridiculous stereotypes. Anyone who follows, trains or competes in MMA knows that these stereotypes are completely untrue.

You certainly are, but you are not entitled to your own facts. You obviously know nothing about MMA yet continue to postulate your ridiculous opinions the sport. MMA fans like myself either know, compete or train with practitioners of this sport and therefore our opinions hold much more rational sway than your, obviously, uneducated ones.

The perjorative generalisations you have made about the fanbase and competitors constitute personal abuse. Are you actually concerned about MMA or are you just exercising your right to free speech?

I'm replying to the OPs post friend, he wanted opinions.

I'm giving mine, I don't like the sport , thats my opinion.

Ban UFC/MMA from Ireland.

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