They're leaving :/

LolaLuv · 09-12-2008 12:51AM

I want to stay, but it depends entirely on what job prospects are like in July. To be fair, they're never very good for someone with an arts degree.

09-12-2008 12:51AM

noblestee wrote: »

Notice that there are 200,000 poles here and 500 were surveyed, about 0.25%. Surely you'd want to survey about 5% to get a somewhat decent idea? I've no idea about statistics, but a quarter of a percent doesn't seem to be enough to be accurate.

"opinion polls" are often done with such small numbers, but they try to pick a representive sample based on what information they have.

If the information they used to select this sample is flawed, then the figures could be miles out.

greyed · 09-12-2008 12:51AM

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

whats gonna happen to all the polish shops

I liked them you could get fruitmix in them and other rare treats (I like to pick random chocolate bars or juice drinks out of them. Sometimes its good, sometimes its really really bad)

I like that game

Kintarō Hattori · 09-12-2008 12:51AM

nouggatti wrote: »

Isn't your missus Polish tho????

Yes, yes she is. :pac:

Kintarō Hattori · 09-12-2008 12:52AM

PillyPen wrote: »

I want to stay, but it depends entirely on what job prospects are like in July. To be fair, they're never very good for someone with an arts degree.

Ah yeah well that is a made up degree, what'd you expect?

brianthebard · 09-12-2008 12:53AM

PillyPen wrote: »

I want to stay, but it depends entirely on what job prospects are like in July. To be fair, they're never very good for someone with an arts degree.

You could do a reverse Irish and stay as an illegal....

jester77 · 09-12-2008 12:53AM

It's all a conspiracy... just like the recession. Tell people there's a recession and it will happen. Tell the immigrants they are all leaving and they will!

LolaLuv · 09-12-2008 12:54AM

brianthebard wrote: »

You could do a reverse Irish and stay as an illegal....

I'd rather do a Russian and marry someone for a visa!

:pac:

Also Starring LeVar Burton · 09-12-2008 12:56AM

Ah, they're not going are they?
Sure, isn't there plenty of room for them all?
I'm sure people would be much happier if a third of Cork just packed up and left.

omgiluvxmas · 09-12-2008 12:56AM

im actually 3rd generation polish but im ugly:( so sorry guys..i know people who aren't actually planning on going back home, not for a good bit yet anyway.

i think immigration has been good for ireland but u have to remember we took the biggest amount of people from the 2004 accession countries by some distance, well so i read.

Kintarō Hattori · 09-12-2008 12:56AM

PillyPen wrote: »

I'd rather do a Russian and marry someone for a visa! :pac:

Oh hey that's great. Brian will help you out there. Don't worry he's caught the gheys so he wouldn't be interested in you - - :P

LolaLuv · 09-12-2008 12:59AM

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Oh hey that's great. Brian will help you out there. Don't worry he's caught the gheys so he wouldn't be interested in you - - :P

The only thing that could possibly be worse than marriage would be a sexless marriage. Or an Irish marriage! (Five years of separation before a divorce is granted wtf? Not worth the visa!)

Stheno · 09-12-2008 12:59AM

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Yes, yes she is. :pac:

Moving to Poland are you? :pac:

Kintarō Hattori · 09-12-2008 01:01AM

nouggatti wrote: »

Moving to Poland are you? :pac:

Well we bought a place there. I could pretty much do my job from anywhere in the world. I put the idea to my boss but he wasn't terribly keen on the idea, so it's on the back burner for the moment. I've always fancied the idea of living somewhere else for a while so if the right opportunity presents itself, why not.

AlmightyCushion · 09-12-2008 01:03AM

PillyPen wrote: »

I'd rather do a Russian and marry someone for a visa! :pac:

If you have to jump through all these hoops for a visa, then forget it and just get a mastercard.

Stheno · 09-12-2008 01:05AM

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Well we bought a place there. I could pretty much do my job from anywhere in the world. I put the idea to my boss but he wasn't terribly keen on the idea, so it's on the back burner for the moment. I've always fancied the idea of living somewhere else for a while so if the right opportunity presents itself, why not.

Sorry I was taking the mick, good for you both

Best wishes ( I know that's a bit serious for AH but after taking the mick as I did, then why not

)

Red Hand · 09-12-2008 01:06AM

Polish is leaving?:( What about wax, buffer and compound? Are they staying?

Peteee · 09-12-2008 01:07AM

noblestee wrote: »

Notice that there are 200,000 poles here and 500 were surveyed, about 0.25%. Surely you'd want to survey about 5% to get a somewhat decent idea? I've no idea about statistics, but a quarter of a percent doesn't seem to be enough to be accurate.

You're completely right, you do know nothing about statistics!

500 people is plenty to survey, as long as the demographics are decent, and the poller is competent enough, it should lead to an acceptable margin of error.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 09-12-2008 01:53AM

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Like anything it's 50/50. There are some who always planned to go home and as a result send money back there and then there are plenty of contribute to this economy just as much as any irish person. My missus has been here 4 years and is quite the little consumer.

At least 50% of the customers in the company I work for are immigrants who have no problem spending their money.

How can you say it's 50/50? The chances of it being 50/50 is very low. If you could prove to me that it is 50/50 then woohoo

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

If 50,000 people were to suddenly leave then Tesco, dunnes and pretty much any other business in the country will notice a drop off in business. This will lead to them not needing or not being able to afford all the staff they have. So while the Polish will be leaving jobs behind, this could be negated by the redundancies that could ensue from the drop off in business.

Even if every single Polish person sent a load of money home, they still need to pay for rent, food and all the essentialls. Money that would be lost if they went home.

We are talking about the next year, not suddenly. You can account for gradual change. If people decide to leave immediately then there will be problems. While these people do contribute to the economy, you have 8% of the Irish population unemployed. People like me will have more of a chance of securing a job. I cannot say that all or none of the polish people moving back home are in employment. I do know that the chances of getting a job, with 66,000 less people in this country my chances of getting a job increases.

A good reply would be that with less people in the the country you have less money, and therefore less jobs. I will argue the point that the jobs that the polish leave here will be filled by people who are desperate for work. Like me

Peteee wrote: »

You're completely right, you do know nothing about statistics!

500 people is plenty to survey, as long as the demographics are decent, and the poller is competent enough, it should lead to an acceptable margin of error.

There was one form of questionaire that was sent out, it was an e-mail... which suggested that only people with access to a computer were targeted. This is not very accurate. The data collected must be non biased. E-mail questionaires are considered to be inaccurate and should not be relied on completely. The amount of replies does in fact matter, contrary to what you believe. If only 10 replied would it be a fair representation? No! .25% is not a fair representation either. I would suggest that this information is not correct and you may find that the amount of polish people leaving the country may be more or even less than stated.

I really didn't think that certain areas of my studies would ever come in handy

Daftendirekt · 09-12-2008 02:02AM

I'm gonna miss those little guys

JæKæ · 09-12-2008 02:19AM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Even if every single Polish person sent a load of money home, they still need to pay for rent, food and all the essentialls. Money that would be lost if they went home.

Rent-they pile 12 of them into a one bed, so not really losing out on that much rent per head.
Food-it's all Aldi they buy which goes straight to Germany, apart from the employees wages
Drink-they stay in and get locked on Polish vodka
Hairdressers-they cut their own hair

emeraldstar · 09-12-2008 02:23AM

mike65 wrote: »

Thats the rental market in free fall next year then. Oh pity the developers and Landlord classes

There's something different about this post...

AlmightyCushion · 09-12-2008 02:23AM

JæKæ wrote: »

Rent-they pile 12 of them into a one bed, so not really losing out on that much rent per head.
Food-it's all Aldi they buy which goes straight to Germany, apart from the employees wages
Drink-they stay in and get locked on Polish vodka
Hairdressers-they cut their own hair

Are you serious or just pulling the piss?

JæKæ · 09-12-2008 02:29AM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Are you serious or just pulling the piss?

I cant decide

Kintarō Hattori · 09-12-2008 02:37AM

Alexandria Broad Rawhide wrote: »

How can you say it's 50/50? The chances of it being 50/50 is very low. If you could prove to me that it is 50/50 then woohoo

What I had meant by saying 50/50 was that there'll be some who always planned to go back and some who are quite happy to stay here. I didn't literally mean 50% and 50%.

Ohh the interweb, meaning can be so lost sometimes.

nobodythere · 09-12-2008 03:19AM

The numbers might just even out, I mean for those who go back some will still come over?

I for one wave goodbye to our Polish overlords.

nobodythere · 09-12-2008 03:21AM

JæKæ wrote: »

Hairdressers-they cut their own hair

Most of them don't have hair.

They traded it for our jaaaabsss

SimpleSam06 · 09-12-2008 08:44AM

greyed wrote: »

Immigration brought great things here

Tell us, what great things did it bring here? If they all want to fly back to Poland tomorrow I say good luck to them, don't let the door hit those curvaceous arses on the way out.

Their contributions to the economic well being of the country were as small as they could make them in the vast majority of cases (and even then they would buy a lot of their goods at a Polish shop, the proprietor of which was, you guessed it, sendign the money home), they didn't mingle with the local Irish, and they shunned Polish people who did. The generally miserable attitude and constant complaining didn't help either.

They came over here becuase our goverment seems determined to torpedo the country permanently, and was one of the only EU countries to allow them to do so. The rest of the EU knew what was coming and didn't let them. And so they rolled on over in their early 90s BMWs, took whatever they could lift, and headed back, only to be replaced by more and greater numbers.

The country was wealthy long before the the Polish were allowed in. As with all wealthy countries, first comes the money, then the immigrants who want the money.

They add nothing to the country socially, economically, any way, and they take a significant amount out of it. Lock the door behind them, please.

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

If 50,000 people were to suddenly leave then Tesco, dunnes and pretty much any other business in the country will notice a drop off in business.

No, since they don't use the services of most businesses in the country. Ther larger food chains already have such hefty price margins that they could easily absorb the loss of a few tens of thousands that weren't buying much anyway. The Polish could dry up tomorrow and we'd hardly even notice, except having more jobs to fill, at the start of a recession.

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Even if every single Polish person sent a load of money home, they still need to pay for rent, food and all the essentialls. Money that would be lost if they went home.

They paid less of the above than anyone else. If you're worried about money being lost, they represent leakage in the Keynesian injection-leakage economic model, and you may be guaranteed it was more than they ever brought in.

noblestee wrote: »

I've no idea about statistics, but a quarter of a percent doesn't seem to be enough to be accurate.

grasshopa wrote: »

The numbers might just even out, I mean for those who go back some will still come over?

Exactly. For all their whining about Ireland, its still a vastly superior place to work than Poland. There won't be any shortage of them coming over any time soon.

Highsider · 09-12-2008 08:54AM

Good luck to them. Personally i found them to be alright on the whole.

Wompa1 · 09-12-2008 10:11AM

Highsider wrote: »

Good luck to them. Personally i found them to be alright on the whole.

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...not my way but god love you for your bravery

They're leaving :/

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