They're leaving :/

greyed

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1208/polish.html

So, 1/3 of poles will apparently leave next year, possibly more after that. Other nationalities will likely have the same idea, can't blame them really after considering the growth prospects for here and there, but this sucks. Immigration brought great things here, will it all go if enough foreign nationals do? Not the most comprehensive poll (...zing..) but if you're a foreign national, are you going to leave us? And what do the irish members think eh?

this might have been asked, but story was from today ..meh...

RandolphEsq

Dey tuck er jobs!

giggsy664

Them damn poles, going over to Poland and stealing there jobs back! Damn them to hell

qz

Now I'm not a racist, but...

Ross_Mahon

Lets go back to Poland with them!

Biggins

I personally made some great polish friends. Dead nice people who came over here and regarded any work they did, as a blessing to get.
How the economy will be effected has yet to be seen long term but the days of just us living in a single culture of just Irish workers is gone!
Of all those that came here, those that did stay long-term, stayed I think to better themselves and thats to be respected. There's always rotten apples in every barrel but on the vast whole, I would be sorry to see them all leave.

niceirishfella

and who's going to drive all our trucks for 20+ hours a day? HUH?

SoWatchaWant

I might be in with a chance of gettin a job then.

Jimbo

If you look at it from an economical point of view they are doing us a huge favour.

They came in their thousands when we needed them and they are leaving now that we can't afford them.

Fair play to them.
Wonder will we start seeing Irish people back in low paid jobs now? Or are we too proud

Mena

I'll be here until I've taken every last one of yer jobs and yer wimmins.

mike65

Thats the rental market in free fall next year then. Oh pity the developers and Landlord classes

jimmycrackcorm

It's ok though the other two thirds left here are the good looking women.

Jimbo

mike65 wrote: »

Thats the rental market in free fall next year then. Oh pity the developers and Landlord classes

That's the problem.

The over-supply of housing just got worse

DonJose

niceirishfella wrote: »

and who's going to drive all our trucks for 20+ hours a day? HUH?

and who's gonna process our pork.... ah sh!te!!!

Jimbo

Mena wrote: »

I'll be here until I've taken every last one of yer jobs and yer wimmins.

You can have our wimmins if we can have yours

BlitzKrieg

whats gonna happen to all the polish shops

I liked them you could get fruitmix in them and other rare treats (I like to pick random chocolate bars or juice drinks out of them. Sometimes its good, sometimes its really really bad)

Mena

jimbo78 wrote: »

You can have our wimmins if we can have yours

You're welcome to them

(note, they may or may not be polish, or wimmins, and hairy)

Danbo!

Notice that there are 200,000 poles here and 500 were surveyed, about 0.25%. Surely you'd want to survey about 5% to get a somewhat decent idea? I've no idea about statistics, but a quarter of a percent doesn't seem to be enough to be accurate.

giggsy664

Ffs where's the atari jaguar option !!!!

greyed

hehh,jeez, i thought this wouldnt be posted until the poll was... that break was for cocopops

AlmightyCushion

jimbo78 wrote: »

If you look at it from an economical point of view they are doing us a huge favour.

They came in their thousands when we needed them and they are leaving now that we can't afford them.

Fair play to them.
Wonder will we start seeing Irish people back in low paid jobs now? Or are we too proud

But it could work the other way. If thousands of people were to leave they'd take away a shít load of purchasing power with them. This would mean less money in the economy and could cause more jobs losses. Tax revenue will also decrease. So this could be pretty bad.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Personally I am pretty happy that some or most of them are going home... There may be more of a chance for us Irish to get a job. I have no problem with any nationality but I really need a job, and the more non nationals here in Ireland, the less chance I have of getting one. I made a good few friends too, but I got bills to pay and a life to live. I wounder would the Polish and Chinese be as nice to us?

greyed

No reason they wouldnt be if they had a labour shortage. Cushion makes a good point!

I would love to learn chinese

IvySlayer

How dare they leave the country and leave jobs for us!

*shakes fist*

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

But it could work the other way. If thousands of people were to leave they'd take away a shít load of purchasing power with them. This would mean less money in the economy and could cause more jobs losses. Tax revenue will also decrease. So this could be pretty bad.

Well there's the case that they send a LOT of money back home, so when they leave, the money will stay in the country. As it is there are no jobs, the tax will still be there and so will the purchasing power (One of porters 5 forces :P)

I think it will be best for all if they leave. Sure their economy is decent, right? Just crap pay if I believe it?

greyed

Jeez, looks like there wont be any irish people left either.

Holsten

Nananana... nananana.... heyyyyyeh.... Goodbye!

Kintarō Hattori

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

whats gonna happen to all the polish shops

I liked them you could get fruitmix in them and other rare treats (I like to pick random chocolate bars or juice drinks out of them. Sometimes its good, sometimes its really really bad)

There are some great bargains to be had in their shops. Great fruit juices, cheap tastey yoghurts, bread etc.

noblestee wrote: »

Notice that there are 200,000 poles here and 500 were surveyed, about 0.25%. Surely you'd want to survey about 5% to get a somewhat decent idea? I've no idea about statistics, but a quarter of a percent doesn't seem to be enough to be accurate.

An email survery, yep that'll be hugely accurate alright.

Domo230 wrote: »

No, come back Polish women.

Come back

Ah thank feck for the foreign wimmins. Every day there's always some lovely sight to behold!

Alexandria Broad Rawhide wrote: »

Well there's the case that they send a LOT of money back home, so when they leave, the money will stay in the country. As it is there are no jobs, the tax will still be there and so will the purchasing power (One of porters 5 forces :P)

I think it will be best for all if they leave. Sure their economy is decent, right? Just crap pay if I believe it?

Like anything it's 50/50. There are some who always planned to go home and as a result send money back there and then there are plenty of contribute to this economy just as much as any irish person. My missus has been here 4 years and is quite the little consumer.

At least 50% of the customers in the company I work for are immigrants who have no problem spending their money.

Stheno

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Ah thank feck for the foreign wimmins. Every day there's always some lovely sight to behold!

Isn't your missus Polish tho????

noodler

If you are working here you are paying tax. Even if they send every penny bar the essentials needed for living.

Its a bad thing-it shows how badly the economy is doing.

AlmightyCushion

Alexandria Broad Rawhide wrote: »

Well there's the case that they send a LOT of money back home, so when they leave, the money will stay in the country. As it is there are no jobs, the tax will still be there and so will the purchasing power (One of porters 5 forces :P)

If 50,000 people were to suddenly leave then Tesco, dunnes and pretty much any other business in the country will notice a drop off in business. This will lead to them not needing or not being able to afford all the staff they have. So while the Polish will be leaving jobs behind, this could be negated by the redundancies that could ensue from the drop off in business.

Even if every single Polish person sent a load of money home, they still need to pay for rent, food and all the essentialls. Money that would be lost if they went home.

LolaLuv

I want to stay, but it depends entirely on what job prospects are like in July. To be fair, they're never very good for someone with an arts degree.

noblestee

noblestee wrote: »

Notice that there are 200,000 poles here and 500 were surveyed, about 0.25%. Surely you'd want to survey about 5% to get a somewhat decent idea? I've no idea about statistics, but a quarter of a percent doesn't seem to be enough to be accurate.

"opinion polls" are often done with such small numbers, but they try to pick a representive sample based on what information they have.

If the information they used to select this sample is flawed, then the figures could be miles out.

greyed

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

whats gonna happen to all the polish shops

I liked them you could get fruitmix in them and other rare treats (I like to pick random chocolate bars or juice drinks out of them. Sometimes its good, sometimes its really really bad)

I like that game

Kintarō Hattori

nouggatti wrote: »

Isn't your missus Polish tho????

Yes, yes she is. :pac:

Kintarō Hattori

PillyPen wrote: »

I want to stay, but it depends entirely on what job prospects are like in July. To be fair, they're never very good for someone with an arts degree.

Ah yeah well that is a made up degree, what'd you expect?

brianthebard

PillyPen wrote: »

I want to stay, but it depends entirely on what job prospects are like in July. To be fair, they're never very good for someone with an arts degree.

You could do a reverse Irish and stay as an illegal....

jester77

It's all a conspiracy... just like the recession. Tell people there's a recession and it will happen. Tell the immigrants they are all leaving and they will!

LolaLuv

brianthebard wrote: »

You could do a reverse Irish and stay as an illegal....

I'd rather do a Russian and marry someone for a visa! :pac:

Also Starring LeVar Burton

Ah, they're not going are they?
Sure, isn't there plenty of room for them all?
I'm sure people would be much happier if a third of Cork just packed up and left.

omgiluvxmas

im actually 3rd generation polish but im ugly:( so sorry guys..i know people who aren't actually planning on going back home, not for a good bit yet anyway.

i think immigration has been good for ireland but u have to remember we took the biggest amount of people from the 2004 accession countries by some distance, well so i read.

Kintarō Hattori

PillyPen wrote: »

I'd rather do a Russian and marry someone for a visa! :pac:

Oh hey that's great. Brian will help you out there. Don't worry he's caught the gheys so he wouldn't be interested in you - - :P

LolaLuv

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Oh hey that's great. Brian will help you out there. Don't worry he's caught the gheys so he wouldn't be interested in you - - :P

The only thing that could possibly be worse than marriage would be a sexless marriage. Or an Irish marriage! (Five years of separation before a divorce is granted wtf? Not worth the visa!)

Stheno

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Yes, yes she is. :pac:

Moving to Poland are you? :pac:

Kintarō Hattori

nouggatti wrote: »

Moving to Poland are you? :pac:

Well we bought a place there. I could pretty much do my job from anywhere in the world. I put the idea to my boss but he wasn't terribly keen on the idea, so it's on the back burner for the moment. I've always fancied the idea of living somewhere else for a while so if the right opportunity presents itself, why not.

AlmightyCushion

PillyPen wrote: »

I'd rather do a Russian and marry someone for a visa! :pac:

If you have to jump through all these hoops for a visa, then forget it and just get a mastercard.

Stheno

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Well we bought a place there. I could pretty much do my job from anywhere in the world. I put the idea to my boss but he wasn't terribly keen on the idea, so it's on the back burner for the moment. I've always fancied the idea of living somewhere else for a while so if the right opportunity presents itself, why not.

Sorry I was taking the mick, good for you both

Best wishes ( I know that's a bit serious for AH but after taking the mick as I did, then why not )

Red Hand

Polish is leaving?:( What about wax, buffer and compound? Are they staying?

Peteee

noblestee wrote: »

Notice that there are 200,000 poles here and 500 were surveyed, about 0.25%. Surely you'd want to survey about 5% to get a somewhat decent idea? I've no idea about statistics, but a quarter of a percent doesn't seem to be enough to be accurate.

You're completely right, you do know nothing about statistics!

500 people is plenty to survey, as long as the demographics are decent, and the poller is competent enough, it should lead to an acceptable margin of error.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Like anything it's 50/50. There are some who always planned to go home and as a result send money back there and then there are plenty of contribute to this economy just as much as any irish person. My missus has been here 4 years and is quite the little consumer.

At least 50% of the customers in the company I work for are immigrants who have no problem spending their money.

How can you say it's 50/50? The chances of it being 50/50 is very low. If you could prove to me that it is 50/50 then woohoo

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

If 50,000 people were to suddenly leave then Tesco, dunnes and pretty much any other business in the country will notice a drop off in business. This will lead to them not needing or not being able to afford all the staff they have. So while the Polish will be leaving jobs behind, this could be negated by the redundancies that could ensue from the drop off in business.

Even if every single Polish person sent a load of money home, they still need to pay for rent, food and all the essentialls. Money that would be lost if they went home.

We are talking about the next year, not suddenly. You can account for gradual change. If people decide to leave immediately then there will be problems. While these people do contribute to the economy, you have 8% of the Irish population unemployed. People like me will have more of a chance of securing a job. I cannot say that all or none of the polish people moving back home are in employment. I do know that the chances of getting a job, with 66,000 less people in this country my chances of getting a job increases.

A good reply would be that with less people in the the country you have less money, and therefore less jobs. I will argue the point that the jobs that the polish leave here will be filled by people who are desperate for work. Like me

Peteee wrote: »

You're completely right, you do know nothing about statistics!

500 people is plenty to survey, as long as the demographics are decent, and the poller is competent enough, it should lead to an acceptable margin of error.

There was one form of questionaire that was sent out, it was an e-mail... which suggested that only people with access to a computer were targeted. This is not very accurate. The data collected must be non biased. E-mail questionaires are considered to be inaccurate and should not be relied on completely. The amount of replies does in fact matter, contrary to what you believe. If only 10 replied would it be a fair representation? No! .25% is not a fair representation either. I would suggest that this information is not correct and you may find that the amount of polish people leaving the country may be more or even less than stated.

I really didn't think that certain areas of my studies would ever come in handy

Daftendirekt

I'm gonna miss those little guys