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Man murdered by youth(s) after home attacked(yes it happened in Ireland)

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  • #32
    tony1kenobi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭tony1kenobi


    120_Minutes wrote: »
    we're a couple of flaming torches away from vigilante justice. believe me, its only a matter of time.

    people are going to take the law into their own hands, its fast becoming the only option

    Or hire Dalton.


  • #33
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Rojomcdojo wrote: »
    It could well go the way of the drug-dealers in the 90's. I.e. the whole community getting together saying a big "GTFO". Don't think we're near a situation like that just yet though. Main problem is the age..If someone of 13-14 did this then he'll be out in 4-5 years and back in the neighbourhood. And an even bigger knacker to boot.

    ...plus they will change his I.D. - look after the family, relocate the lot elsewhere in a new home that is furnished with everything.

    What a frakin' system!


  • #34
    eth0_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭eth0_


    I can't wait for all the wooly liberals to step in here and say "But he's a victim of his own environment! The East Wall is a poor area, he was probably never taught right from wrong!".

    Such rubbish. No matter how sh*tty your upbringing is, unless you have a really low IQ, you will know inherently that murdering someone is WRONG.


  • #35
    Orange69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭Orange69


    eth0_ wrote: »
    I can't wait for all the wooly liberals to step in here and say "But he's a victim of his own environment! The East Wall is a poor area, he was probably never taught right from wrong!".

    Such rubbish. No matter how sh*tty your upbringing is, unless you have a really low IQ, you will know inherently that murdering someone is WRONG.

    They will come up with every possible excuse for this piece of human garbage. Liberals and PC brigade card carriers should be made to move into this neighborhood, they would very soon be shouting about super prisons and sterilization..


  • #36
    gillyfromlyre
    Closed Accounts Posts: 228 ✭✭gillyfromlyre


    Time to start hitting scum in the pocket, no free legal aid, no dole for a few weeks, I don't care if they starve, the laws just inviting scum to commit crime in Ireland, and if they have more than 10 previous convictions lock em away for life doing hard labour.
    Ireland is becoming a really horrible place because of just a few pockets of scum scattered around the country doing what they like with the backing of the law, I'm not blaming the guards, when I say law I mean the laws laid down.
    The only people who seem to be responsible for their actions in this crime haven are the people who generally do their best not to break laws, ie the average working person. If they put as much effort to clamp down on real crime as they do on speed, seatbelts, mobile phones etc it would be great


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  • #37
    kleefarr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    Biggins wrote: »
    ...plus they will change his I.D. - look after the family, relocate the lot elsewhere in a new home that is furnished with everything.

    What a frakin' system!

    And all at the expense of the tax payer. :mad:

    Sorry, but I think he deserves to be in front of a firing squad himself.


  • #38
    An Fear Aniar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭An Fear Aniar


    gillyfromlyre wrote: »
    and if they have more than 10 previous convictions lock em away for life doing hard labour.

    I think it's a good idea, for certain convicitons, that people be compelled to spend years doing pointless back-breaking work. The rehabilitation approach doesn't seem to work in some cases.


    .


  • #39
    merrionsq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 95 ✭✭merrionsq


    I think if I still lived there, this could be the final straw. I couldn't walk by those kids everyday without hating their guts more than anything...


  • #40
    TripleAce
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,454 ✭✭✭TripleAce


    I wonder why I am not even surprised of reading news like this at this stage....a good fascist regime is the answer to the problem.


  • #41
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Biggins wrote: »
    I am a parent of four


    You always gave me the impression you were older.


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  • #42
    Dave!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    Mairt wrote: »
    You always gave me the impression you were older.
    *BOOM BOOM!*


  • #43
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    eth0_ wrote: »
    I can't wait for all the wooly liberals to step in here and say "But he's a victim of his own environment! The East Wall is a poor area, he was probably never taught right from wrong!".

    Such rubbish. No matter how sh*tty your upbringing is, unless you have a really low IQ, you will know inherently that murdering someone is WRONG.

    I'm a "bleeding heart liberal", and I would say that East Wall is a poor area and he probably never was taught right from wrong. I imagine the kid who shot this man is a severely damaged individual, everything from terrible parenting to a bad diet.

    I wouldn't say he is a "victim" of his environment though, simply a product of it.

    People get too wrapped up in the blame game in these situations. Blaming someone only works if the person cares what they have done and cares that you disapprove. I doubt this child cares. Ultimately blaming him is pointless. It might make you feel better but it doesn't actually do anything. There is no way to force him to feel guilty.

    You either stick him in prison forever where he can't harm others, or you try and rehabilitate him.


  • #44
    Killme00
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,441 ✭✭✭Killme00


    Wicknight wrote: »
    I'm a "bleeding heart liberal", and I would say that East Wall is a poor area and he probably never was taught right from wrong. I imagine the kid who shot this man is a severely damaged individual, everything from terrible parenting to a bad diet.

    What makes you say that (a) Eastwall is a poor area and (b) he was never taught right from wrong?

    Personally i think the world these children are growing up in is so much more violent than it was years ago when i was 14 and this crime is another extreme example of that mindless violence. I dont think its down to bad parenting, i would say it is more down to the society we now live in where guns and violence are precipitated in every orifice of the media.


  • #45
    eth0_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭eth0_


    Wicknight wrote: »
    I'm a "bleeding heart liberal", and I would say that East Wall is a poor area and he probably never was taught right from wrong. I imagine the kid who shot this man is a severely damaged individual, everything from terrible parenting to a bad diet. .


    There is NO EXCUSE for murder. Absolutely none.

    I presume you live in a middle class area where this sort of thing would not occur. I wonder if you would be so tolerant if you were sent to live in East Wall or similar? It's easy to be a liberal when you are cosseted from what you are defending.

    The book should be thrown at this little scumbag so that his mates and other wasters in Ireland don't see him get 6 months in juvenile detention and think "Deadly, I can go and murder fellas now and get only 6 months!".


  • #46
    jane86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 182 ✭✭jane86


    I hope the Gardai beat the little cretins. Imagine what these yokes will be like by their 20's :mad:


  • #47
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Killme00 wrote: »
    What makes you say that (a) Eastwall is a poor area and (b) he was never taught right from wrong?



    I'm wondering the same thing.

    I lived in Eastwall for seven years (Forth Rd to be exact) and I'd consider most residents there to be touching the upper end of working class, and while there's a teenage problem in the area its a tiny minority of the little fvckers - and anyone who is from Eastwall (and there's some in this thread) can throw the name of one family and their friends out as the instigators of the majority of problems in the area.


  • #48
    CiaranC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭CiaranC


    eth0_ wrote: »
    I can't wait for all the wooly liberals to step in here and say "But he's a victim of his own environment! The East Wall is a poor area, he was probably never taught right from wrong!".
    Unfortunately, we need the wooly bleeding-heart liberals in order to counterbalance the raving right-winger fascists who would sell out our liberal democracy in order to gain some percieved 'safety' from the terrible evil which 'lurks all around us'.


  • #49
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    eth0_ wrote: »
    There is NO EXCUSE for murder. Absolutely none.
    Brilliant, I'm sure once this kid has that explained to him he will feel really really bad about what he has done and never do anything like this again ...
    eth0_ wrote: »
    The book should be thrown at this little scumbag so that his mates and other wasters in Ireland don't see him get 6 months in juvenile detention and think "Deadly, I can go and murder fellas now and get only 6 months!".

    The "book" says that he cannot be held longer than his 18th birthday. So lets send him off to a detention center for 4 years, and when he gets out I'm sure he will be all better, having learned the errors of his ways

    You and I both know that won't work.


  • #50
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Killme00 wrote: »
    What makes you say that (a) Eastwall is a poor area and
    The 2006 census
    Killme00 wrote: »
    (b) he was never taught right from wrong?
    What, other than he just shot someone ... ?
    Killme00 wrote: »
    Personally i think the world these children are growing up in is so much more violent than it was years ago when i was 14 and this crime is another extreme example of that mindless violence.
    Unfortunately kids were killing people years ago as well.
    Killme00 wrote: »
    I dont think its down to bad parenting, i would say it is more down to the society we now live in where guns and violence are precipitated in every orifice of the media.
    And they weren't 10, 20, 30 years ago?

    I'm still going to go with the parents. There is a clear amount of evidence that disruption at home can lead to criminal behaviour in children, where as there has never been any significant evidence that violence in teh media does


  • #51
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Wicknight wrote: »
    The 2006 census




    Linky?.


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  • #52
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    jane86 wrote: »
    I hope the Gardai beat the little cretins. Imagine what these yokes will be like by their 20's :mad:

    With or without being beaten up by the Gardai?


  • #53
    Killme00
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,441 ✭✭✭Killme00


    Mairt wrote: »
    I'm wondering the same thing.

    I lived in Eastwall for seven years (Forth Rd to be exact) and I'd consider most residents there to be touching the upper end of working class, and while there's a teenage problem in the area its a tiny minority of the little fvckers - and anyone who is from Eastwall (and there's some in this thread) can throw the name of one family and their friends out as the instigators of the majority of problems in the area.

    There does seem to be alot of teenagers hanging around the area these days, alot more grafiti and even some skips being set on fire. A few months ago a man was shot in the leg outside Portside court and nobody was caught for it. There was also a Gardai shot on Ossuary road a few months before that. Surely this cycle of violence deserved a larger Gardai presence in the area.


  • #54
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Mairt wrote: »
    Linky?.

    http://www.sahru.tcd.ie/services/deprivation/

    Save you the trouble of requesting the download, the EDs around East Wall score a 9 or 10 (out of 10, 10 being the most deprived areas)


  • #55
    Orange69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭Orange69


    CiaranC wrote: »
    Unfortunately, we need the wooly bleeding-heart liberals in order to counterbalance the raving right-winger fascists who would sell out our liberal democracy in order to gain some percieved 'safety' from the terrible evil which 'lurks all around us'.

    This man is now dead, he was terrorized (probably for a long period of time) and then shot in an alley, left to die.. His life, the most precious thing he has was taken from him.

    In my book that is terrible evil lurking around us.

    I seriously think that bleeding heart liberals have some kind of a mental disorder if they think this sort of behavior should be tolerated in society.


  • #56
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Killme00 wrote: »
    There does seem to be alot of teenagers hanging around the area these days, alot more grafiti and even some skips being set on fire. A few months ago a man was shot in the leg outside Portside court and nobody was caught for it. There was also a Gardai shot on Ossuary road a few months before that. Surely this cycle of violence deserved a larger Gardai presence in the area.

    The country deserves a larger police force, period..

    And here's something else.. Put troops on the streets, and before the liberals tear their collective knickers off hear me out.

    When Foot & Mouth Disease hit Ireland we got armed Army/Garda checkpoints set up accross the country. Attempting to bring livestock through one of these checkpoints could have resulted in the offender being shot by the army, and that was only eight years ago!.

    I'd advocate locking down certain area's at random and bringing an army/garda search team through, nothing and no body leave's that area without a complete pat down.

    Or amalgamate units of the guards and army to create a tough paramilitary style force, at least for an intrim period.


  • #57
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Wicknight wrote: »
    http://www.sahru.tcd.ie/services/deprivation/

    Save you the trouble of requesting the download, the EDs around East Wall score a 9 or 10 (out of 10, 10 being the most deprived areas)

    Thanks for going through the trouble of finding that, but I can't gain access.


  • #58
    CiaranC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭CiaranC


    Mairt wrote: »
    The country deserves a larger police force, period..

    And here's something else.. Put troops on the streets, and before the liberals tear their collective knickers off hear me out.

    When Foot & Mouth Disease hit Ireland we got armed Army/Garda checkpoints set up accross the country. Attempting to bring livestock through one of these checkpoints could have resulted in the offender being shot by the army, and that was only eight years ago!.

    I'd advocate locking down certain area's at random and bringing an army/garda search team through, nothing and no body leave's that area without a complete pat down.

    Or amalgamate units of the guards and army to create a tough paramilitary style force, at least for an intrim period.

    So you advocate installing a police state to deal with this? Quelle surprise.


  • #59
    Sar!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭Sar!


    Whats needed here is clear cut legislation in this country on dealing with anti social behaviour and cracking down on it with zero tolerance. This entire thing could possibly have been avoided had proper procedures been put in place.

    Apparently it wasnt the first time that this man had had his home attacked and i have no doubt that he was more than likely beyond breaking point when he went to chase these kids away. Its really such an awful tragedy.

    Its especially awful to think too that the person responsible will be allowed to roam the streets again in around 4 years time - its beyond sick.


  • #60
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Orange69 wrote: »
    I seriously think that bleeding heart liberals have some kind of a mental disorder if they think this sort of behavior should be tolerated in society.

    Actually it is the other way around. The "bleeding heart liberals" actually want to do something about it, where as the "right-wing fascists" seem content with it continuing to happening so longs someone gets blamed and/or beaten up after the fact.


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  • #61
    population
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭population


    Killme00 wrote: »
    There does seem to be alot of teenagers hanging around the area these days, alot more grafiti and even some skips being set on fire. A few months ago a man was shot in the leg outside Portside court and nobody was caught for it. There was also a Gardai shot on Ossuary road a few months before that. Surely this cycle of violence deserved a larger Gardai presence in the area.

    Yeah have to say it is getting rough as hell lately.

    You dare not walk up to the shops on Church Street at night anymore. Risked it recently and it was not a pleasant experience. Came very close to having harm done to me. Am upset by the shooting but not one bit surprised.

    Another resident I know had her place egged and was threatened about a fortnight ago. The oldest of these kids is about 15. They are lethal and they just dont care what happens to them once they get you first.


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