Irish Headshops unlawfully suffering under intimidation-politics

humanji · 06-11-2008 10:30PM

Sean_K wrote: »

No the substances in them are legal as well.

But didn't he say mescaline was in it, and isn't that illegal?

Terrontress wrote: »

You can sell industrial glue to people to stick things together. It is illegal to sell it to people to sniff it.

It's illegal to sell fertiliser to make a bomb but not to fertilise a field.

It's illegal to sell dodgy seeds to allow people get wasted. It's not if they are sold for other purposes.

Well no, a correct analogy would be it being legal to sell heroin as long as the packet it came in said it was not to be consumed. That's what I got from his post.

Thomas_S_Hunterson · 06-11-2008 10:44PM

humanji wrote: »

But didn't he say mescaline was in it, and isn't that illegal?

I was referring to the seeds which as far as I know, only contain legal chemicals

towel401 · 06-11-2008 10:46PM

oh **** where will i buy a new head now??

Eoin · 06-11-2008 11:13PM

Nehaxak wrote: »

Would be better if all those complaining about this instead got together and formed their own political party. We need a proper youth movement in government, at the very least to balance out the stuffy backward old muppets that are there now.

Pisses me off they ban recreational drugs and drugs like Hash etc., are still illegal.

You know, it's not just old people who aren't in favour of recreational drugs being legalised.

humanji · 06-11-2008 11:13PM

Sean_K wrote: »

I was referring to the seeds which as far as I know, only contain legal chemicals

Sorry, I was talking about Hammered Hippies post. He said:

The stuff targeted were cacti and seeds of decorative flowering plants.
The cacti contain mescaline, but are sold as biological samples, not for consumption.

So, they contained an illegal substance. Now, maybe I'm just getting overly suspicious in my old age, but I do wonder about a shop that sells drug paraphernalia that just unfortunately happened to stock flowers that contained an illegal drug. It does seem like an unusual coincidence.

mud · 06-11-2008 11:30PM

head shops are such an easy target

they are very blatent in their retailing of legal paraphernalia to illegal drugs

frankly I reckon they are stupid to market themselves so, and it was clearly only a matter of time before they were used as a political tool

there's a tobacco shop in my nearest city which has been operating for over 50 years they sell a few grinders and boxes, tins and skins but very low key ie no massive jungle doobie style reefers hanging out of some blonde's gob in the window of the shop!

Overheal · 06-11-2008 11:40PM

super_furry wrote: »

Dental plan?

Lisa needs braces.

Traumadoc · 06-11-2008 11:46PM

Hammered hippie wrote: »

The coordinated raids today on the Headshops had no legal backing. All the products seized were legal. The issue here was not whether the Headhsops were dealing legal or illegal stuff. It was an act of intimidation by the politicians in Dublin and should be treated as such.
When shops that sell stuff that is not illegal by law are attacked by the force that has to uphold the law and justice one can basically eat the lawbooks of Ireland and prepare for the worst, especially when such an act turns out to be ordered by politicians.
The policeforce was used as the strong arm of politicians today to make a point and intimidate where politicians could not succeed by using the law. The media was also invited to this pogrom so this lashout by Dublin politicians would not go unnoticed.
Unfortunately for the politicians two institutions will not see kindly upon such an abuse of power. Judges and the EU.
Judges in Ireland could be influenced, but to be member of the EU it is absolutely paramount that there be a strict line between politicians and legislature/policeforce. When the law doesnot allow it politicians are not allowed to enforce their will by using the type of measure they took today.
Apparently unlawfull intimidation by ruling politicians is not restricted to countries like Russia or Bellarus.

Actually it was not a Dublin politician who was shouting for this it was a gap toothed bogger from Galway. Fidelama Healy Eames,

All the shouting started when the head shops started opening in provincial towns and the problem of youth using mind altering drugs (exp alcohol) became visible one to bog politicians.

Hammered hippie · 06-11-2008 11:56PM

The point here is not what combination of stuff induces suspicion.
Yeah..selling certain seeds in combi with bongs might seem suspicious...but the point is..if the products are legal the guards have no right harassing the sellers. Not even if the almighty of our time wish them to do so!!!

One can buy stuff to build a bong in a DIY shop aswell as what one needs to grow suspicious plants....even seeds with LSA in them are available in those shops. But that is also legal.
If a politician can cause a shop that acts legal to be raided..it can also go further than that.
If politicians of all people take it easy with the law...then what is next?

It is simply not OK to reason that if at this moment a part of the voters want something outlawed.that is even legal according to the law....that intimidation is suddenly part of the political trade. What fecking good is a lawbook if people in power can induce exceptions at will.

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dSTAR · 07-11-2008 12:03AM

Ponster wrote: »

So 'headshop' is some sort of Dublin slang for a place that sells drugs?

If you don't know what a Headshop is don't parade your ignorance and assume it is a Dublin slang term for a store that sells illegal drugs.

We have Headshops in Australia and they are allowed to operate without police intimidation or raids. In fact if you go to any of these New Age, Mind, Body Spirit expos you will most likely see one or two of them doing brisk trade with people who wish to experience altered states of awareness without the illegality factor.

Nothing threatening about that.

Hammered hippie · 07-11-2008 12:07AM

@Traumadoc
I believe she is a Senator..which puts her in Dublin aswell

One thing is that the guards are probably not that unhappy with the headshops.
The dealers of illegal stuff have lost a lot of merchandise
Stuff they sold was quite dodgy at times
Most customers in Headshops value and respect the fact that the stuff there is legal.
But for a meazly handfull of extra voters politicians don't mind sending those people back into the hands of illegal trade. Basically in the long run these politicians will and should be held responsible for a increase in drugdeads if they ever manage to close down/outlaw headshop.
Shame on them
BUT...WHOEHAHAHAHIHAHIHAAA....WHO EVER BELIEVED POLITICIANS EVER ACT FOR THE GOOD OF THE PUBLIC....THEY ONLY CRAVE MORE VOTERS AND MORE POWER.

So bring out your pitchforks and flames....a politician is in need of attention and votes!!!!

Hammered hippie · 07-11-2008 12:14AM

Also the minister of health has announced to crack down on some aspects of Headshops...as I remember well.
She reallly really can do with a diversion since she is in some kind of trouble nearly everywhere.

Run_to_da_hills · 07-11-2008 12:44AM

Mary Harney should consider these in her local Head shop. :pac::pac::pac:

http://www.slimming.co.uk/diets/products/herbal/herbal-slimming-pills.htm

dSTAR · 07-11-2008 01:33AM

Didn't the government prohibit a whole raft of perfectly legal and safe herbs such as St Johns Wort (to treat depression) some time ago?

Next step is Codex Alimentarius.

Open your eyes people...

Hammered hippie · 07-11-2008 01:46AM

Yeah...The Irish healthboard is the slave of the big pharmaceuticals
Everything that works benificial to anyone will be banned...unless we can pay for it.

However, Illegal stuff like mushroom pills can be bought at the Pharmacy as a pick me up
,without prescription.

Even if the same stuff cannot be sold in a Headshop in its non consumer form

Soon plant life will be banned from Ireland to prevent people plucking the stuff themselves.

But not lead in the galway water.......that is allowed.

Unfortunately politcians in Ireland are absolute slaves of big money.
Worse than on mainland Europe...way worse.
A nice diner here..a factory there..et voila...legislation is adapted to ban a range of certain products.
Politics here in Ireland is a joke performed by a bunch of clowns compared to a real democracy!

Hear Hear Hear.....I shout the loudest of the land..

Hihihiahahahaaaa (sorry..but that is so very silly...shouting in cabinet..what do they think??...what are they thinking?..)

PeakOutput · 07-11-2008 01:54AM

The Real B-man wrote: »

I hope those shops do become ilegal i mean they sell everything to grow produce & take drugs bar the actual drug itself.

so do garden centers and any shop that sells bottles / skins / rolling tobacco

PeakOutput · 07-11-2008 01:57AM

humanji wrote: »

Wait, so there's seeds with illegal substances in them, but it should be ok because since they were not sold as consumable nobody would ever think to consume them?

the seeds arent illegal neither are the plants they grow

Run_to_da_hills · 07-11-2008 02:00AM

Hammered hippie wrote: »

Yeah...The Irish healthboard is the slave of the big pharmaceuticals
Everything that works beneficial to anyone will be banned...unless we can pay for it.

Illegal **** like mushroom pills can be bought at the Pharmacy as a pick me up.

Soon plant life will be banned from Ireland to prevent people plucking the stuff themselves.

But not lead in the galway water.......that is allowed.

Unfortunately politcians in Ireland are absolute slaves of big money.
Worse than on mainland Europe...way worse.
A nice diner here..a factory there..et voila...legislation is adapted to ban a range of certain products.

Some hallucinogenic frog will soon be discovered in the Burren and will also be banned.

Only in America :rolleyes: http://www.kmbc.com/news/14587550/detail.html

Guy:Incognito · 07-11-2008 02:04AM

dSTAR wrote: »

If you don't know what a Headshop is don't parade your ignorance and assume it is a Dublin slang term for a store that sells illegal drugs.

We have Headshops in Australia and they are allowed to operate without police intimidation or raids. In fact if you go to any of these New Age, Mind, Body Spirit expos you will most likely see one or two of them doing brisk trade with people who wish to experience altered states of awareness without the illegality factor.

Nothing threatening about that.

Theres nothign threatening about rich people taking heroin or cocaine in the privacy of their own homes. Unfortunately it's not only people who can afford to do so quietly and fund it themsleves that take them.

PeakOutput · 07-11-2008 02:23AM

Stekelly wrote: »

Theres nothign threatening about rich people taking heroin or cocaine in the privacy of their own homes. Unfortunately it's not only people who can afford to do so quietly and fund it themsleves that take them.

that wasnt his point

head shops have nothing to do with cocaine or heroin to think so is complete ignorance

they mainly sell paraphenalia for smoking marijuana and also sell legal equivalants of marijuana usualy

i think some used to sell mushrooms when it was legal to do so(was it legal to do it in ireland or was that just britain?) and so they will probably have legal hallucinagens too

nothing above is addictive ad therefore anytalk about heroin and cocaine or any other drug like that is completely irrelevant and off topic

Guy:Incognito · 07-11-2008 02:27AM

PeakOutput wrote: »

that wasnt his point

head shops have nothing to do with cocaine or heroin to think so is complete ignorance

Analogy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogy

dSTAR · 07-11-2008 02:29AM

Stekelly wrote: »

Theres nothign threatening about rich people taking heroin or cocaine in the privacy of their own homes. Unfortunately it's not only people who can afford to do so quietly and fund it themsleves that take them.

I know many people are surprised that heroin is used by people from all social strata not just the stereotypical scumbags. My father for instance had a lawyer friend who died a few years back after taking speedballs. Of course when people like this die from overdoses it usually makes the news.

PeakOutput · 07-11-2008 02:57AM

Stekelly wrote: »

Analogy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogy

sorry you must have missed it the first time

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optician

here it is so you cant miss it

nothing above is addictive ad therefore anytalk about heroin and cocaine or any other drug like that is completely irrelevant and off topic

Ponster · 07-11-2008 03:06AM

dSTAR wrote: »

If you don't know what a Headshop is don't parade your ignorance and assume it is a Dublin slang term for a store that sells illegal drugs.

And you sir can go **** yourself you ignorant prick

I had never heard of the expression in my entire life and based on the posts before mine i was normal to assume that it was referring to a store, in Dublin, that sold drugs.

The Report post button is

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kowloon · 07-11-2008 03:26AM

Not sure I like rules for the sake of rules, I say live and let live; if people can smoke wacky backy in the privacy of their own homes I say let them, but it's not my cup of tea. I would like to see our politicians living in fear of the repercussions of their corruption and ineptitude.

dSTAR · 07-11-2008 07:18AM

Ponster wrote: »

And you sir can go **** yourself you ignorant prick

I had never heard of the expression in my entire life and based on the posts before mine i was normal to assume that it was referring to a store, in Dublin, that sold drugs.

The Report post button is

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Maybe there isn't any Headshops in Paris or they are known as something else. No need to crack the sh!ts.

mountainyman · 07-11-2008 10:09AM

Hammered hippie wrote: »

The publicity generated is good. But the fact that politicians can just order some act of intimidation where the law doesnot help them in their efforts to make front page upstanding citizen appearance is frightening.
It boils down to this:
If you annoy a powerfull person in politics or they can increase their electorate then they will send the guards at you irrespective of whether you did something unlawfull or not. Bit like Russia but then with a bit more backing of the general public, since it is all about how much political votes can be generated out of such an action.

The owners of most headshops are pure scum and the prices are an overpirced ripoff. I know for a fact that one of them is owned by a criminal and one of the tall skinny guys who owns one of the other ones is nothing but an alcoholic cnut.

You lot would be much better taking illegal drugs like weed or even soapbar and ecstasy.

mountainyman · 07-11-2008 10:12AM

PeakOutput wrote: »

they mainly sell paraphenalia for smoking marijuana and also sell legal equivalants of marijuana usualy

i think some used to sell mushrooms when it was legal to do so(was it legal to do it in ireland or was that just britain?) and so they will probably have legal hallucinagens too

nothing above is addictive ad therefore anytalk about heroin and cocaine or any other drug like that is completely irrelevant and off topic

Those mongo conconctions the headshop scum sell are nothing like marijuana they are worse than bad soapbar.

mountainyman · 07-11-2008 10:13AM

Hammered hippie wrote: »

Yeah...The Irish healthboard is the slave of the big pharmaceuticals
Everything that works benificial to anyone will be banned...unless we can pay for it.

However, Illegal stuff like mushroom pills can be bought at the Pharmacy as a pick me up
,without prescription.

Even if the same stuff cannot be sold in a Headshop in its non consumer form

Soon plant life will be banned from Ireland to prevent people plucking the stuff themselves.

But not lead in the galway water.......that is allowed.

Unfortunately politcians in Ireland are absolute slaves of big money.
Worse than on mainland Europe...way worse.
A nice diner here..a factory there..et voila...legislation is adapted to ban a range of certain products.
Politics here in Ireland is a joke performed by a bunch of clowns compared to a real democracy!

Hear Hear Hear.....I shout the loudest of the land..

Hihihiahahahaaaa (sorry..but that is so very silly...shouting in cabinet..what do they think??...what are they thinking?..)

I don't want to engage in personal abuse hammered hippy but the fellows that run headshops are scum. I would trust them much less tahn bureaucrats.

I know two head shop owners and they are both lower than pondlife.

mountainyman · 07-11-2008 10:15AM

Hammered hippie wrote: »

@Traumadoc

The dealers of illegal stuff have lost a lot of merchandise
Stuff they sold was quite dodgy at times
Most customers in Headshops value and respect the fact that the stuff there is legal.
!

The stuff that drug dealers is less dangerous and dodgy than what the headshops sell.
If you judge what you put in body by the decisions of Dail Eireann you're a tool.

Irish Headshops unlawfully suffering under intimidation-politics

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