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Misogynistic lines/attitudes from porn does it bother you ?
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Sorry I don't watch soaps or those other programmes so I take your word for it. I would argue that these roles exist but they are in the minority. You constantly hear about actresses complaining about the lack of decent roles for them and particularly older women:
http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2007/09/demi_moore.php
And lots of people are excited about the new Ricky Gervais movie because they feel there's finally a leading man that people can identify with. I'm not saying get rid of all the hot young actors and actresses but y'know, variety is the spice, etc etc. Don't get me started on Hollywood teen movies..!
Thanks for the article. It is very accurate. Funny, if you notice at the two semi-naked women to the right of the article with no similarly clothed men to be seen. One article links to what the "ideal woman" is. And Sunday Times is the most hypocritical paper to be running an article like that. I have stopped buying them because they are just obsessed with printing photos of "tastefully naked" women under the guise of art-with no corresponding ones of men (I have looked!)
Well..yes it is a leap of faith to say they "run" the porn industry. I really don't know so I can't say either way. I would hardly consider Anne Summers part of the porn industry.
Why are women the target audience for Mayonaise?
It was pulled because of complaints to the company about the kiss between two men.
Er..why would it stereotype young men? The whole point of it would be to educate people to see through stereotypes as portrayed in advertising..
I would guess the lack of roles for older women is because the fans of such movies are women - a male actor will star in a movie as a murderer etc. Was it Goebbels wife that poisoned their kids in the bunker- I cant imagine any named Hollywood actress taking that role.
What I said - its not a huge leap of faith to imagine that women control the porn industry.
I didnt notice the photos of the Times article - but similarily I would deem Olympic Sports like beech volleyball a non sport and wonder why there is such a demand for olympic womens gymnastics from women -when its just little more than child abuse at best.
AS for Mayonaise -its not really a guy food-its a diet food or thats how its percieved. I can imagine my kids hollering with that and the Gayonaise jokes flying. But women are the target audience. Just like ads for laxatives for busy bloated women. Its targeted at women. Get slim take laxatives - is the subtext I get.
AS for -educating guys - there was a pilot programme from the Department Of Education run on the premis that being male is a social construct. In other words -you can be retrained to be not masculine - as if being male is inherently bad. Is that what you mean as education.That programme was so secret that the parents of the participating students were not able to access the syllabus and it was impossibe for a TD to get a copy.
http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/D/0526/D.0526.200011280267.html
Thankfully Willie O'Dea made his copy available.0 -
Well that's exactly the problem. Hollywood is supposed to be fantasy - so invent a little. All they do is reel out the same old romatic comedies, thrillers ets and replace the actors with younger models. Snore..zz.. And don't tell me women don't want to be villains-that's just more gender stereotyping!! What about Theron in Monster??I would guess the lack of roles for older women is because the fans of such movies are women - a male actor will star in a movie as a murderer etc. Was it Goebbels wife that poisoned their kids in the bunker- I cant imagine any named Hollywood actress taking that role.
Hang on a sec..so in advertising women are used to sell products to women but then women can't be given big roles in Hollywood? What rubbish.
Well I like not to assume things that I don't know are true. So I'll stick with my opinion until you support your assumption with some facts.What I said - its not a huge leap of faith to imagine that women control the porn industry.
What exactly does beach vollyball have to do with this...?? And both men and women do gymnastics. Where are you getting that there's so much demand specifically from women and what exactly are you referring to - to compete or watch. The age limit on participation in the Olympics is 16. It's a biological fact that girls of this younger age are more flexible than those in their early 20s. I don't really see the big difference between male and female gymnastics...er and I don't see what it has to do with the ads that were in the Times. (although I do agree that forcing such young kids to train to such a high level does raise ethical questions)I didnt notice the photos of the Times article - but similarily I would deem Olympic Sports like beech volleyball a non sport and wonder why there is such a demand for olympic womens gymnastics from women -when its just little more than child abuse at best.
WTF??? Mayonnaise is a diet food???AS for Mayonaise -its not really a guy food-its a diet food or thats how its percieved. I can imagine my kids hollering with that and the Gayonaise jokes flying. But women are the target audience. Just like ads for laxatives for busy bloated women. Its targeted at women. Get slim take laxatives - is the subtext I get. Seriously I don't know what to say to that. Do you know what the nutritional profile of mayonnaise is? I do and it is not a diet food. Are you actually comparing mayonnaise to laxatives as a similar diet supplement. Get thee over to the Nutrition and Diet forum!
And mayonnaise is only for women? Better tell all those men who like eating it. When you're talking about how it's perceived, you're really talking about how YOU perceive it.
Well the programme I am suggesting would have nothing to do with telling people what they are or aren't or that being male and female is good or bad. It would be about making people aware that their choices shouldn't be restricted by their gender (er, except for the right to be pregnant, etc :pac:).AS for -educating guys - there was a pilot programme from the Department Of Education run on the premis that being male is a social construct. In other words -you can be retrained to be not masculine - as if being male is inherently bad. Is that what you mean as education.That programme was so secret that the parents of the participating students were not able to access the syllabus and it was impossibe for a TD to get a copy.
http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/D/0526/D.0526.200011280267.html0 -
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WTF??? Mayonnaise is a diet food??? Seriously I don't know what to say to that. Do you know what the nutritional profile of mayonnaise is? I do and it is not a diet food. Are you actually comparing mayonnaise to laxatives as a similar diet supplement. Get thee over to the Nutrition and Diet forum!
And mayonnaise is only for women? Better tell all those men who like eating it. When you're talking about how it's perceived, you're really talking about how YOU perceive it.
Mayonnaise is not a diet food, but it is marketed to women. All grocery products are marketed to women, because it's women who do the grocery shopping for the most part, and they have pretty much complete control over what goes into their shopping basket at the end of the day. Same reason that kids' breakfast cereals are marketed with vitamins and minerals on them - it's the mother that's buying it, not the kid.0 -
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. And don't tell me women don't want to be villains
What exactly does beach vollyball have to do with this... The age limit on participation in the Olympics is 16. It's a biological fact that girls of this younger age are more flexible than those in their early 20s. I don't really see the big difference between male and female gymnastics..
WTF??? Mayonnaise is a diet food??? Seriously I don't know what to say to that. Do you know what the nutritional profile of mayonnaise is? I do and it is not a diet food. Are you actually comparing mayonnaise to laxatives as a similar diet supplement. Get thee over to the Nutrition and Diet forum!
And mayonnaise is only for women? Better tell all those men who like eating it. When you're talking about how it's perceived, you're really talking about how YOU perceive it.
Well the programme I am suggesting would have nothing to do with telling people what they are or aren't or that being male and female is good or bad. It would be about making people aware that their choices shouldn't be restricted by their gender (er, except for the right to be pregnant, etc :pac:).
Women want to be cast in super lovely roles. I thought Nicole Kidman would be perfect as Mrs Goebbels.For most actresses taking on a role as an evil depraved woman would upset their financials. What they mean by an absence of good roles is sexy female godess roles.
Take Farrah Fawcett - she played a battered housewife in a movie but in real life was prosecuted for battering her husband.
There are plenty of lower budget crime movies that show women in less heroic lights - if they were willing to take the risk. Money is worth more than integrity methinks.
And come off it. Gymnastics - the demand is from women.Any guy watching them in a pub would be called a perve. There are enslaved kids in the middle east in camel racing.
Mayo isnt a guy food. Plenty of gay themes are used by guinness from time to time -those ads dont get pulled. You must be aware of the advertising push on laxatives to women. You cant be that isolated. Its fairly gross if you ask me. Theres not even warnings- like use laxatives sensibly.
There is a lot of stereotyping on how bad it is to be a man. Men cant cook blah blah blah. I can shop better than most women.0 -
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Never touch the stuff myself
but misogynist attitudes in porn affecting attitudes to women- nah
women have changed in all kinds of ways and want the world to change totally for them.
its like saying we work on building sites now so we want them swear free and pc -so they want to integrate into what they percieve is a manworld but pretty it all up
its also like saying that women arent involved in the porn industry and benefit financialy - or even own or run it.
its like saying i want to play hurling with a hockey stick
I'd say it's all too easy to dismiss the effect.
I doubt many people's attitudes to women are defined by porn, but I'd say it's a safe assumption to say that a majority of young lads have seen porn before they did the deed. That's bound to give you ideas.
I also obviously think it depends on the context of sex - misogyny (not relaly entirely apt as a word) as fantasy for want of a better term can make for some pretty great sex. I've had some pretty aggressive (from both partners allow me to assure you
) sex and it was great. For both people. I've also had tender, gentle, loving sex - it's a wonderful thing, but it's not what you always want. However, I'd be worried about the fact that I know people who would certainly treat women as objects to be fúcked and then discarded and happily boast about how they treated the latest conquest. 0 -
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