Being overtaken when doing the speed limit

19-10-2008 04:47PM

ottostreet wrote: »

i didn't read the last few posts, which ive just done. i feel terrible now. my statement about children was more in reference to that simpsons-style satire. ill edit that.

don't edit it - it's your opinion and i only reacted that way because it was almost immediately after my post!! Normally wouldn't bother me!

Didn't mean to be causing all this hassle! oops - was just trying to get my point across.....

I'll shut up now!

JB04 · 19-10-2008 05:09PM

ClioV6 wrote: »

Yeah..you seem like a fairly inexperienced driver if you reckon that's a valid statement..either that or a bit stupid.

I take great offence at being called a fairly inexperienced driver or stupid.

Overtaking is legal. AFAIK exceeding the speed limit while overtaking is illegal. As I stated in my first post in this thread, a member of my family was caught for speeding while overtaking a slow moving vehicle. It was not on a continuous white line, the raod ahead was quite clear to complete the manoevure, but she exceeded the speed limit, and was caught speeding.

AlmightyCushion · 19-10-2008 05:15PM

ClioV6 wrote: »

Ah good chap, good way to concede there without making yourself look like a total ****ing idiot.

Yeah..you seem like a fairly inexperienced driver if you reckon that's a valid statement..either that or a bit stupid.

I've had enough. Banned for constant crap like this.

Mark200 · 19-10-2008 06:51PM

Dudess wrote: »

Oh believe me, they're probably still in bed - there's a handful of them all right who insist they wouldn't even do 62 or 63 mph on a quiet dual carriageway (speed limit 60 before anyone barges in with the usual incorrect "eh... the speed limit on the dual carriageway is 70 :rolleyes:" comments - that's the motorway, dudes! ).

Taking it upon yourself to break the speed limit is one thing, but actually making fun of others who choose not to?

That's just stupid

Manic Moran · 19-10-2008 07:11PM

From the Department of Motor Vehicles, South Carolina:

This item merely says that the chance of fatility in a crash increases dramatically with speed. It does not say that speed dramatically increases the chance of a crash in the first place.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1061808/Speeding-drivers-cause-3-car-accidents-figures-reveal.html

Only 3 per cent of car accidents are caused by speeding drivers, Government figures have revealed.
Yet there are nearly 7,000 speed cameras across the country which are unable to detect 'careless or reckless' drivers who cause three times as many accidents

Note also that even this does not indicate that speeding was the cause, only that the driver was speeding at the time.

Overheal wrote: »

Unfortunately you still share the road with 07 Skoda Fabias and until you aren't you shouldn't expect to see the speed limits change

Just because the speed limit is X does not mean that it is necessarily safe to go at X in your particular vehicle.

One of the very sensible things about California (Yes, we do have the occasional sensible law) is that the legal speed limit is 'Whatever is safe for your vehicle given the prevailing conditions.' The posted limit is not actually the legal limit, it is merely the point at which the burden of proof shifts from the police having to prove that you were driving too fast, all things considered, to your having to prove that you were driving safely, all things considered. After all, the presence or otherwise of a speed limit sign does not necessarily reflect the difference in danger: Why can a Porsche not exceed 110mph on an Irish motorway (which, though there aren't many of them, tend to be good quality), but it's perfectly safe for them to do 150km/h on a German motorway?

NTM

19-10-2008 07:51PM

[QUOTE=Manic Moran;57627134
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1061808/Speeding-drivers-cause-3-car-accidents-figures-reveal.html
[/QUOTE]

Ah, the daily mail, the most reliable source of information you can find!

Dudess · 19-10-2008 11:09PM

Mark200 wrote: »

Taking it upon yourself to break the speed limit is one thing, but actually making fun of others who choose not to?

That's just stupid

Not remotely making fun, just expressing disbelief at those who claim they'd never even exceed the speed limit by two or three miles on a quiet dual carriageway. That's not dangerous driving.

Fighting Irish · 19-10-2008 11:52PM

Anyone know why the gov is not putting more two lane roads in Ireland?
Or even small stretchs of two lanes, to allow for safe overtaking.

I know plenty of roads that are easily able for it, but i can't see it ever happening. Is there a reason for this?

Marcus.Aurelius · 19-10-2008 11:58PM

Outright incompetence, I should think, Fighting Irish.

To all those whining about those who overtake them, grow up, you aren't in authority to enforce the laws. If you don't like people overtaking dangerously, move into the hard shoulder (where it is sufficient for such) for a short time to allow the other driver to overtake and continue his journey.

Really, you are not important enough to delay others out of a "I pay my taxes, I'll drive how I like" selfish attitude.

Some drivers are so pig-ignorant it still amazes me daily.

l3LoWnA · 20-10-2008 12:17AM

I don't care when people overtake me, even when I'm doing on or near the speed limit! I feel safer that the speeder has fecked off ahead of me!!

When you're driving long enough you'll get GREAT pleasure out of it, actually, when a squad car passes at high speed, siren blaring, a few moments later and a kilometre or less/more down the road you pass the same over-taker pulled into the hard shoulder with a big angry face on him/her with the garda leaning in his/her window with d little book in his/her hand

Has happened loads to me and it's refreshing to say the least!!

:P:cool:

My pet hate is though, pr1cks who drive at say 60/70 or 80kph on a 100kph road with no possible way of passing them (continuous white line, bends, hills, oncoming traffic etc), but as soon as the road improves slightly and there's a broken white line and a clear opportunity to pass, they speed up to 100kph either just after you signal that you are going to pass them or worse still, as you are actually passing them out. I don't know if they're nervous drivers who can "drive faster" on a "straight" or if they're just pr1cks who see my indicator on/a blonde passing them and don't want me to pass but whatever it is they're putting peoples lives at risk doing that and it's very dangerous!! Grrrr

Overheal · 20-10-2008 12:22AM

Fighting Irish wrote: »

Anyone know why the gov is not putting more two lane roads in Ireland?
Or even small stretchs of two lanes, to allow for safe overtaking.

I wouldnt consider installing it for those kind of reasons, but installing more merging lanes at junctions sounds like a good idea. Stops anyone who is turning off that road from slowing everyone down behind them.

20-10-2008 02:35AM

I had a near miss today, some prick decided that he wanted to enforce his speed on the cars behind him by driving right up against the centre line and appearing to speed up as cars were overtaking him - I had to take evasive action and drive into the hard shoulder. :mad:

YES! I'm blaming the driver being overtaken and not the overtaker!

tony1kenobi · 20-10-2008 03:11AM

Joker wrote: »

To all those whining about those who overtake them, grow up, you aren't in authority to enforce the laws. If you don't like people overtaking dangerously, move into the hard shoulder

Is that said with a sarcastic tone sir? My poor old mum was a nervous (fully licensed) driver until a couple of years ago when I was with her on a couple of journeys. Aggressive drivers driving up her arse were causing her to pull into the hard shoulder to let umpteen of them pass, until I pointed out to her that if someone legally pulled out of their driveway and up to the yellow line, and she hit them, a legal action was the least of her worries, as the impact would probably kill or maim her along with the innocent counterpart trying to go about their day......the prick in the merc would probably not even pass a glance in their mirror at such carnage.....

I drive a big, very capable car (it absolutely is an extension of my small penis before you point it out....and to point it out you would no doubt need a magnifying glass) but I don't feel any need to speed even if I AM able to outrun (namecheck 80s video game) all who come before me.......reckless driving is what does the damage.....not speeding or lack of experience.....just recklessness.....all the speeding does is determine the level of damage the impact causes.........

I agree totally with the frustration of someone doing 40mph (I don't know what that is in kilometres cos I am old school)......but what is achieved by overtaking them other than a moment of righteous indignation that you have paid your tax and can use and abuse the road and your car as you see fit?........against the possibility of a fatal collision.........just not worth it as far as I am concerned.....nobody.....no matter how powerful or important......is that desperate for an extra minute of time that they can risk countless others lives to steal it back.

However, if you meet me on an open road with no obstacles, I am the one you will meet doing dangerously close to lift off speeds singing the star wars theme ala ferris beuller, so who the **** am I to preach....?

Me...that's who.

brendansmith · 20-10-2008 03:19AM

Hanging is too good for em!

Carturo · 20-10-2008 03:40AM

dreamer_ire wrote: »

Anyone who has ever driven on motorways in France will have seen a lesson is the proper utilisation of the overtaking lanes. My experience from last year was that no one uses them unless they are overtaking and as soon as they have they pull in. It doesn't matter if they are going to overtake another vehicle in a few minutes they pull in. I think many of our drivers could take a lesson from this.

I found the same in the states. I drove from NY to San Fran and the motorways, when we used them, were a pleasure to drive on. Even coming into the likes of Chicago and LA when it was everyman for himself to get in lane!

Zangetsu · 20-10-2008 11:35AM

60 kph is only a guideline... If you aren't doing at least 110 I'm gonna burn yo ass biatch!

Tigger · 20-10-2008 11:57AM

Onkle wrote: »

I was nearly killed by some idiot doing this. He was pottering along at ~60kmph on a 100 stretch, I went to overtake and he put the hammer down. I literally had to race him to get back in as the car behind me had moved up too

get a faster car

Tigger · 20-10-2008 12:00PM

peanuthead wrote: »

I dont mind being overtaken when Im doing the speed limit. It really doesnt bother me unless 1. The person overtaking me is putting me in danger somehow (ie: overtaking on blind bend, or overtaking with not enough time to do so and having to squeeze back kin in front of me and the car in front of me. or 2. They start blowing the horn and giving me abuse about being too slow.

I know its bad driving practice, and I would never do this if there were someone coming the other way, but sometimes if a real ignorant person, or a boy racer tries to overtake me, I immediately speed up and force them to retreat back behind me!!

have you met onkle?

Tigger · 20-10-2008 12:02PM

Mark200 wrote: »

No, well I haven't driven on the motorway yet (got my licence just over a week ago ) but I have a fair bit of driving experience and always drove in the left lane on the N something something (the one that goes to ratoath (?)) where the speed limit is 120 kph (I was doing 120 kph :P). I only went into the other lane to overtake someone twice (1 was a truck going extremely slow, another was another learner going 100kph).

I just really don't see what the rush is that they have to break the speed limit to overtake me so that they can be sitting a metre or two ahead of me when I end up stopped behind them at the next traffic lights anyway...?

On another note, what is wrong with "cruising at the speed limit on the outside lane"?. You're not supposed to go over the speed limit overtaking someone anyway, so I don't see why you'd give someone grief for it? I know you're supposed to "cruise" in the inner most lane, but as I said....what's the big rush that you need to go over the speed limit anyway.

It's there for a reason (although as said....some roads are stupidly marked, but that's something that has to be put up with and you should't blame the driver in front for obeying it)

its the over taking lane noit the cruising lane

staker · 20-10-2008 12:09PM

Met one of these Sunday driver's yesterday cruising at 85 in a 100 climbing lane.
The tool wouldn't move but got a shock when the bulbers raced up my inside and flashed him over and hopefully did him.
I couldn't believe it, I don't know what possessed me but yesterday i didn't undertake on the climbing lane.
That was a first in more ways than one yesterday:D

Being overtaken when doing the speed limit

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