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Misogynistic lines/attitudes from porn does it bother you ?

  • 14-10-2008 11:15PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,044 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Atm there is a thread entitled "Swallow bitch, its for your health! "
    The content of which is about some crappy research a bunch of students did
    to try and say that swallowing ejaculate would improve your chances of not getting breast cancer. Fair enough a bunch of lads trying to publish a paper to get more head.

    But the thread title irks me.

    Now I am not anti porn but I find a lot of the misogynistic lines in it and the ones with misogynistic attitudes to be off putting, things such as 'Swallow bitch" " Take it you whore" and " You know you want it you slut".

    It's bad enough that this is in some porn but worrying that some young guys seem to think that this is the norm or seem to want to be able to get away with saying such things.

    So do such things in porn bother you ?
    Would some one you were with saying these things during sex bother you ?
    Would some one saying such things about women bother you ?
    Do you think that there are some bad things about the cross over of a lot of things in porn to real life ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Bit of a turn off TBH.
    I prefer for my pornos to be more leaning towards the erotic/fantasy element rather than the nasty/possibly exploitative stuff.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    Most Porn is in the relams of fantasy .But there is research done to suggest that it can be benificial to people who need to up the anti in the bedroom .As for the well known sexual cliches speech used ,i think it depends but would imagine some people ,specially females would find it very offensive.Lads use this lingo as a release and probably laugh as much at it .Rather than except it as the norm in real life and know the difference .


  • Posts: 11,928 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If something is playful I don't see a problem.
    It is when men start directing their self esteem issues as vitrol towards a woman, or womanhood. That is when I get turned off.

    I am shocked at the change in young womens attitudes towards sex in this country.
    I think young womens sexual expectations are being defined by porn, and I don't think the comphrend that it is not just a physical process.
    I worry they are devolping their sexual selfs without emphasising their own satisfaction.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,523 ✭✭✭✭Nerin


    Personally,if any man told me to 'swallow bitch' i'd be worried. *looks around* Wait. This is the ladies lounge isn't it?! Blast! *retreats*


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    So do such things in porn bother you ?
    Not in and of themselves - if they're part of a script, well then there's an understanding between the actors/actresses and director.
    But then again, why should such language be used in the first place? It's ugly, especially when it's so gender specific. But it's obviously a huge turn-on - for both women and men.
    When it's carried into real life, well it depends on the context. If the guy's an obnoxious pig who speaks to women like that, well he's more than likely gonna be like that, porn or no porn.
    Would some one you were with saying these things during sex bother you ?
    Yeah, unless it was part of a game.
    Would some one saying such things about women bother you ?
    In just a general, everyday context? Totally. People say sh1t like that on After Hours - and AREN'T being ironic. It's obnoxious. Although I don't consider the thread title in question problematic.
    Do you think that there are some bad things about the cross over of a lot of things in porn to real life ?
    Any examples?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    A bit of smut talk is always cool, but the bitch and slut speeches wouldn't really be my thing at all. Whether in real life or on the screen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭LightningBolt


    Bah, porn. Majority of blokes know that half the stuff that does be in them you rarely get to do to a girl.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,523 ✭✭✭✭Nerin


    Bah, porn. Majority of blokes know that half the stuff that does be in them you rarely get to do to a girl.

    what,like sexual intercourse? :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,216 ✭✭✭✭monkeyfudge


    This is why I stick to nature documentaries about bonobos.


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,384 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    Bah, porn. Majority of blokes know that half the stuff that does be in them you rarely get to do to with a girl.

    Fixed that for you, it's a lot more fun if both participate you know.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    Bah, porn. Majority of blokes know that half the stuff that does be in them you rarely get to do to a girl.
    The human mind and imagination are a great thing :pac:


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,384 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    This is why I stick to nature documentaries about bonobos.

    We'll have none of that filthy monkey primate talk in here please.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    Fixed that for you, it's a lot more fun if both participate you know.

    Personally I'd see things like what Zaph highlighted as more derogatory to women than calling them whore or slut, which are after all just words. However if a girl isn't into that then it wouldn't be a good thing. Things like donkey punching are ott imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Nerin wrote: »
    what,like sexual intercourse? :pac:

    Haha, ZING! :pac:
    Dudess wrote: »
    Not in and of themselves - if they're part of a script, well then there's an understanding between the actors/actresses and director.

    As a former film student that made me laugh.
    One of the things that bothers me about the modern porno is the tendency not to care about production values. You'd be amazed how a decent script, sound recording (I work in that field so maybe I'm biased), acting (and I don't just mean faking orgasms) and shot composition can really enchance the whole experience.
    Nowadays its all 'gonzo', where the actors (subjects?) just go at it pretty much any way they feel like while the overly excited (tripodless might I add) cameraman wobbles around the place. Would it be so much to ask for a steadi-cam shot?
    It's all 'she grabbed that', 'he put that in there'.... No effort at all. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    This is why I stick to nature documentaries about bonobos.

    Those guys are animal! (no pun intended)
    They have actually been documented doing positions in the wild that would make a porn star blush. Seriously.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    Nothing worse than bad porn .......except perhaps waiting for a taxi in the rain


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭Chinafoot


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Haha, ZING! :pac:



    As a former film student that made me laugh.
    One of the things that bothers me about the modern porno is the tendency not to care about production values. You'd be amazed how a decent script, sound recording (I work in that field so maybe I'm biased), acting (and I don't just mean faking orgasms) and shot composition can really enchance the whole experience.
    Nowadays its all 'gonzo', where the actors (subjects?) just go at it pretty much any way they feel like while the overly excited (tripodless might I add) cameraman wobbles around the place. Would it be so much to ask for a steadi-cam shot?
    It's all 'she grabbed that', 'he put that in there'.... No effort at all. :rolleyes:

    You'll be expecting a plot next... :)

    Hate the slut and whore stuff. One thing I really can't watch is the gagging stuff. I find that incredibly degrading.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,396 ✭✭✭✭Karoma


    Thaed wrote:
    Do you think that there are some bad things about the cross over of a lot of things in porn to real life ?"
    I have to ask: Which came first? The bad attitude by some men, or porn? Could it be asked that what's in porn is a reflection on real life? isn't all porn about fantasy - in the exploitative stuff, aren't men just being liberated from the polite, civil interaction in to which we are trapped? don't you think most men can tell the difference? Are you in fact being sexist (and ageist) in assuming that young men cannot?


    latchyco wrote: »
    Nothing worse than bad porn .......except perhaps waiting for a taxi in the rain

    How about porn about waiting for a taxi in the rain?

    *Taxi pulls up, splashing an already soaked woman*
    Taxi Driver: How'ya love, can I take ya for a ride, wha'?!
    Her: Well, seeing as I'm so wet...


    ... BRB.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Oo-er... Hot!
    Also... BRB!
    Chinafoot wrote: »
    One thing I really can't watch is the gagging stuff. I find that incredibly degrading.
    "But it's not degrading... the woman chooses to do it..." etc


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Those guys are animal! (no pun intended)
    They have actually been documented doing positions in the wild that would make a porn star blush. Seriously.

    After this post I had to look them up.
    Sexual intercourse plays a major role in Bonobo society, being used as a greeting, a means of conflict resolution and post-conflict reconciliation. With the exception of a pair of Congoese gorillas observed doing so[17], Bonobos were thought to be the only non-human apes to have been observed engaging in all of the following sexual activities: face-to-face genital sex (most frequently female-female, then male-female and male-male), tongue kissing, and oral sex.[18] In scientific literature, the female-female sex is often referred to as GG rubbing or genital-genital rubbing.

    Sexual activity happens within the immediate family as well as outside it, and often involves adults and children, even infants.[19] Bonobos do not form permanent relationships with individual partners. They also do not seem to discriminate in their sexual behavior by gender or age, with the possible exception of sexual intercourse between mothers and their adult sons; some observers believe these pairings are taboo. When Bonobos come upon a new food source or feeding ground, the increased excitement will usually lead to communal sexual activity, presumably decreasing tension and allowing for peaceful feeding.[20]

    Bonobo males frequently engage in various forms of male-male genital sex (frot).[21][22] One form has two males hang from a tree limb face-to-face while "penis fencing"[23][24]. Frot may also occur where two males rub their penises together while in missionary position. A special form of frot called "rump rubbing" occurs to express reconciliation between two males after a conflict, where they stand back-to-back and rub their scrotal sacs together.

    Bonobo females also engage in female-female genital sex (tribadism) to socially bond with each other, thus forming a female nucleus of Bonobo society. The bonding between females allows them to dominate Bonobo society - although male Bonobos are individually stronger, they cannot stand alone against a united group of females.[24] Adolescent females often leave their native community to join another community. Sexual bonding with other females establishes the new females as members of the group. This migration mixes the Bonobo gene pools, providing genetic diversity.

    Bonobo reproductive rates are not any higher than that of the Common Chimpanzee. Female Bonobos carry and nurse their young for five years and can give birth every five to six years. Compared with Common Chimpanzees, Bonobo females resume the genital swelling cycle much sooner after giving birth, allowing them to rejoin the sexual activities of their society. Also, Bonobo females who are either sterile or too young to reproduce still engage in sexual activity.

    Craig Stanford, an American primatologist, has challenged the claim that Bonobos are more sexually active than Common Chimpanzees. Stanford compared existing data on Common Chimpanzees and Bonobos in the natural habitat and found that female Common Chimpanzees copulated at least as often as female Bonobos, while male chimpanzees actually copulated more than male Bonobos.[25] His comparison excluded same-sex sexual contacts, however, which are very common in Bonobos. De Waal's book on Bonobos includes interviews with field workers and relies on the studies by Takayoshi Kano, the only scientist to have worked for two decades with wild Bonobos.[26] New studies in Africa by Gottfried Hohmann, a research associate at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology of Leipzig, Germany, believes to have seen significant violence, but fact remains that there are thus far no documented cases of lethal aggression among Bonobos, in sharp contrast to the evidence for Common Chimpanzees.[27]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo

    Quality stuff.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭LightningBolt


    Nerin wrote: »
    what,like sexual intercourse? :pac:

    Sorry I actually meant the demeaning parts of porn:o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    Karoma wrote: »
    How about porn about waiting for a taxi in the rain?

    *Taxi pulls up, splashing an already soaked woman*
    Taxi Driver: How'ya love, can I take ya for a ride, wha'?!
    Her: Well, seeing as I'm so wet...


    ... BRB.
    You could use that in a porn movie for sure or maybe you've being reading the book ' Tales from the back seat ' ? ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    After this post I had to look them up.



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo

    Quality stuff.

    What's really cool is that their society has replaced violence with sexual liberation. We could learn a lot from them...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭pseudonym1


    As part of a liberating society porn has become acceptable however it is desynthezisng. details and deeds are leaning our younger generation to expect more and attempt to act out what they have previously veiwed in some smut flick. The fact it has become acceptable to be a title of a health research project, concerns me.

    But if its good for your health - cant be bad!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,730 ✭✭✭✭simu


    Yes. Because it's mean and because the idea of the sort of idiotic fratboy who would come up with such lines is offputting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,968 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    for 500 points "Misogynistic lines/attitudes featured in porn"

    What is dirty talk?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,216 ✭✭✭✭monkeyfudge


    Galvasean wrote: »
    What's really cool is that their society has replaced violence with sexual liberation. We could learn a lot from them...
    They're exceptionally vicious when it comes to hunting monkeys though. Eat them alive they do.

    Not that any of this is on topic... but what would bonobos say if they could talk during sex?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭Chinafoot


    eolhc wrote: »
    for 500 points "Misogynistic lines/attitudes featured in porn"

    What is dirty talk?

    In fairness, dirty talk doesn't require derogatory terms like whore and slut.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭pseudonym1


    Galvasean wrote: »
    What's really cool is that their society has replaced violence with sexual liberation. We could learn a lot from them...


    Ya like making peadaphelia and insest de rigeur!!??

    You like it like that ...puuurrrrrrrrr :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,730 ✭✭✭✭simu


    Bonobos would just say the syllables of their own name over and over again, like pokémon. Bono boooooo bono booooo bono bono bono boooooo. Obvs.


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