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Paramilitary Associations

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,267 concussion


    What's the story on groups in this country who wear their own uniform and have a military rank structure?

    http://home.earthlink.net/~rggsibiba/html/galloglas/gallohist.html

    Scroll to bottom of page.

    i'm pretty sure some of their insignia seems to be based on our military's.

    With the crowns its more like the BA. And a corporal in the DF is ceannaire not corporáil.


    EDIT - parawings??? WTF???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,674 ✭✭✭✭ Hagar


    I think they're Scots not Irish.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,850 ✭✭✭✭ Dyr


    Thats jim shortt's lot, the lord/earl/baron of castleshort down in wexford or somewhere. A controversial figure by all accounts


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭ iceage


    controversial? is he Irish?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 Dinter




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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭✭ Night Flight


    Royal Galloglas Guard Structure
    Officers
    • Colonel-Commandant Ardcheannasaísmcrowna.gifsmknota.gifsmknota.gif
    • Colonel of the Watch Coirnéalsmcrowna.gifsmknota.gif
    • Commandant Ceannfortsmcrowna.gif
    • Captain Captaensmknota.gifsmknota.gifsmknota.gif
    • Cornet Coirnéadsmknota.gifsmknota.gif
    • Cadet Daltasmknota.gif
    Companions
    • Adjutant Aidiúnachchev3.GIF
    • Corporal Corparáilchev2.GIF
    • Garda Garda an Ríchev.GIF

    Why would people who aren't members of the Irish police want to call themselves "Garda?"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,674 ✭✭✭✭ Hagar


    Garda simply means guardian, as in "An Garda Siochana", literally "Guardians of the Peace" as opposed to the term "Police" in English. The word obviously pre-dates the organization.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭✭ Night Flight


    Royal Galloglas Guard today
    The Galloglas is commanded by Colonel The Chevalier James Shortt, The Baron of Castleshort (An Ridire Séamus MacAnGéarr, An Tiarna na Barúntach na Caisleángéarr). Piper for the Galloglas is Captaen Noel Whelan (Nollaig O'Faollain).
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    The Galloglas perform both ceremonial and protective functions. In Charleston recently The Galloglas escorted guests such as Prince Ermias Haile Selassie and General & Mrs Westmoreland. In London, the Galloglas were on hand at the War & Peace Ball at the Dorchester Hotel as an Escort for the Grand Duchess Maria Vladirmirovna Romanov. Immediately before the stroke of midnight, Wednesday, 15 July 1998, the Commander of the Royal Galloglas, with Piper and Adjutants, paraded in full Galloglas uniform at St. Peter & Paul Cathedral in the fortress of St. Peter & Paul, St. Petersburg, Russia. They rendered the traditional honours and played a lament before the coffins of Czar Nicholas II, his family & retainers, who were murdered by the Bolsheviks in 1918.
    mccross.gifviscount.gifIn one of their ceremonial roles, the Galloglas represent The Honourable Society of the Irish Brigade (in French service), at commemorations of Irish Soldiers in Foreign Service. Officers of the Royal Galloglas automatically are Officers of the Society by virtue of representing the Society at Memorial events. The Mountcashel Cross of the Society of the Irish Brigade was drawn by Dennis Ivall , and is worn by Officers. It is named after Justin MacCarthy, Viscount Mountcashel (first Duke of Clancarthy), the founder of the Irish Brigade. The Cross features crossed Galloglas Swords to the rear and a Royal Munster Crown with cap above. In the centre appear the Royal Arms of the Kings of France and in a belt the motto given to the Brigade by the French Royal Family - Semper et Ubique Fidelis - Always & Everywhere Faithful - and above this the date 1694 being the date of the death of Lord Mountcashel. The cross comes in 2 classes - Officers Cross and Breast Cross.
    The Guard were present and their Piper played in 1996 at the 250th anniversary of Culloden, at the Irish Piquet's memorial. In the same year they were present at Killiecrankie. In 1995 in Belgium at Ypres, The Menin Gate and Paschendale, they mounted guard and piped. In 1997 they commemorated the Irish who fell at Fredericksburg. The life of Marshall Peter de Lacy in Russian Imperial Service was remembered at St Petersburg in Russia by the Colonel, Captain-Piper and 2 adjutants. The Irish who fell in Swedish Imperial service at Riga were commemorated in Riga in 1994 and 1997. In January 1998, The Royal Galloglas commemorated The Irish Volunteer Militia of South Carolina and Irish Confederate & Union veterans who fell at Fort Sumter including Captain John Mitchell (son of Young Irelander John Mitchell).
    The Royal Galloglas wear a blue military tunic with the Galloglas badge on the right arm, a Saffron Kilt (filleadh beag or filleadhín) with saffron plaid on the right shoulder. The metal buttons carry 3 ancient crowns.
    Insignia of the
    Royal Galloglas Guard

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    Khaki Shirt Sleeve
    (warm weather) Order

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  • Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭ dahamster


    spoofers of the highest order


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭✭ Night Flight


    [IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/library7/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpg[/IMG][IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/library7/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-1.jpg[/IMG]Gravef.GIF
    Dusk parade of the Royal Galloglas Guard at the grave of
    Corparáil Paul Falvey. He was buried with his mother.
    On Tuesday, 24 November 1998, the Guard assembled at Paul's father's house in Ballincollig, West Cork and with family and relatives proceeded to the cemetery. A decade of the Rosary was said by the guard in Gaelic, Captain Noel Whelan played a Gaelic lament and then The Minstrel Boy on the Irish Warpipes. Irish whiskey was consumed and a glass also poured over the grave, and the Guard and neighbours repaired to the local public house O'Shea's to "wake" Paul Falvey with his family.
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    http://home.earthlink.net/%7Erggsibiba/html/galloglas/falvey.html


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭✭ Night Flight


    This week's Phoenix


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 129 ✭✭ Duffers




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭ iceage


    Boss of the IBA. gets a bout a bit, must have masses of airmiles!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,097 IRISH RAIL


    I think this is more suited in walter mitty

    actually i think he is walter


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭✭ Night Flight


    Photos taken at a recent training camp held in Castlebellingham, Co Louth.

    http://www.iba-deutschland.de/german/media_bilder_irl08.php


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭ minidazzler


    Airsoft I assume, and hope to god!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,674 ✭✭✭✭ Hagar


    I don't know this organization. When I saw this first I thought they were a re-enactment / ceremonial organization. Now it looks like they are either a true paramilitary outfit or a load of Walters. I suspect the latter.

    I'm moving this to Walter Mitty.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,850 ✭✭✭✭ Dyr


    those pictures are probably from jim shortt running a bodyguard or jujutsu course here ala below rather than his league of gallowglasses thingey




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 129 ✭✭ Duffers


    One look at either his cv or the page on arrse will tell you he is 100% Walt!

    And those pics...he really does like dressing up, eh! First he is some sort of Celtic warlord in a kilt, with titles and knighthoods coming out of his ears, then he is some kind of psuedo cowboy on a horse! Baron, Colonel, Knight of the order of (insert dubious title here), Badged 21 SAS???!!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,069 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    The firepower on the table are DEACTS,or I hope they are! Otherwise I would love to know how the IBA is running around with AKs,A Gustav SMG,HK G3, a walther G22, and a mauser style rifle,not to mind SAS style Kit complete with HK SMGs in Ireland.What dressing up as a counter terrorist unit ,and learning their tactics has to do with close protection personel is well beyond me.They are as different as chalk and cheese.Your job as a BG is to keep your client safe and away from firefights,not engage in them .If that happens ,your basic planning was fuked up from the word go.
    As that alone contravese the offences against the State act 1939.In that it is prohibited to train,drill or instruct any individual or body of men in military arms,tactics,formations or military knowledge,save for organs of the Irish Army or Garda.
    Nor is instruction in defensve pistol shooting legal here either under the firearms acts.You wont be issued any firearm liscense here in Ireland for self defence.The Irish Practical Shooting Association,which is purely a dynamic sport type shooting,is looked on with askence by the Dept of Justice and Gardai.
    So WTF will they make of a "Baron" [The Irish State does not recognise titles of nobility last time I looked]down in Wicklow or Louth with his own private army,training people in para military tactics etc.:eek::eek::eek:

    This could get intresting!

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭ iceage


    I reckon I've seen some of those pics before, but I believe as far as the weapons and black kit is concerned, all that training takes place in Europe and not here in Ireland.

    www.iba-deutschland.de
    http://www.iba.security.bg/


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,850 ✭✭✭✭ Dyr


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    As that alone contravese the offences against the State act 1939.In that it is prohibited to train,drill or instruct any individual or body of men in military arms,tactics,formations or military knowledge,save for organs of the Irish Army or Garda.

    Sush now, dont remind people that the offences against the state acts never go away, people might wonder about what kind of a country this is :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,069 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    Errr,well how come on the IBA Deutschland site for the blurb for the DVD that it was filmed in Castle Bellingham estate and Castle Cosey the IBA HQ????
    Bit unusual then for a range warning sign in English if this was done in Europe,They would be dual langauge by IntL law.

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭ iceage


    Jeez Grizzly, your right. I'm curious about that Shetland pony as well beside him. Hmmm.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27 ✭✭✭ Walt-Finder


    Duffers wrote: »

    Greetings.

    The link has been changed, and is now http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/James_Shortt
    Why call the man a Baron? :rolleyes:

    The story rolls on.
    Here >>> http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=104888/postdays=0/postorder=asc/start=0.html

    Take care, good people!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,097 IRISH RAIL


    Ah the good colnol is back with us again been a while since I heard from him,
    see the last page on that link walt finder :D man of the month south erast radio

    me thinks i will nominate the good baron.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27 ✭✭✭ Walt-Finder


    IRISH RAIL wrote: »
    Ah the good colnol is back with us again been a while since I heard from him,
    see the last page on that link walt finder :D man of the month south erast radio

    me thinks i will nominate the good baron.

    He deserves all credit for his achievements and honours. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,097 IRISH RAIL


    there some serious guys on the arrse site hung drawn and quartered comes to mind. but I spent the best few hours going thru the legal page.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27 ✭✭✭ Walt-Finder


    IRISH RAIL wrote: »
    there some serious guys on the arrse site hung drawn and quartered comes to mind. but I spent the best few hours going thru the legal page.

    there does appear to be some collection of talent, including lawyers.

    Jimmy does need to come up with some facts instead of bollocks that you could drive a bus through


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,097 IRISH RAIL


    I recognise him from somewhere cant recall it though its doing my head in not remembering.

    just on another note I wonder what the revenue would think seems there is no company registered by that name trading in Ireland yet his website shows training courses at his house


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