For those who think prostitution in Ireland is A-OK...

Gran Hermano · 03-10-2008 09:04PM

m@cc@ wrote: »

I wonder if the prozzies demand that they leave a deposit.

Or give them a tip?

dotsman · 03-10-2008 09:05PM

This has very little to do with prostitution. That was gang rape and attempted slavery. Something very different and, as long as prostitution is swept under the carpet, will continue in this country.

Prof.Badass · 03-10-2008 09:13PM

m@cc@ wrote: »

I wonder if the prozzies demand that they leave a deposit.

what has the church of ireland got to do with prostitution?

Lockstep · 03-10-2008 09:13PM

My opinion:
Terrible story.
That is all.

m@cc@ · 03-10-2008 09:18PM

vinylmesh wrote: »

what has the church of ireland got to do with prostitution?

Now who's being naive?

bellapip · 03-10-2008 09:36PM

Amazing how none of you have sisters or girlfriends or wives. . . .

This happens to women the world over, it has nothing to do with the consumption of alcohol, drugs, or stupidity, or even the lack of knowledge of the spoken language.

Women, from 8 years upwards are abducted on a daily basis, they are raped, sold and used, over and over, without consent, without thought, without care.

would legal prostitution change this? primarily it would allow for new legistative powers, but ultimately it would still mean foreign females without representation can be blackmailed and cajolled.

If seeing a female forced to have sex when she does not want to, or desire to, or voluntarily chose to gets your rocks off, then it is you, not the law that needs to ask questions.

Bell.

Tha Gopher · 03-10-2008 09:40PM

Pimpin aint easy!

Sorry but I find the whole slavery thing a sham generally. It has been talked of for years, so women in these countries surely know of the rumoured risks.

Lockstep · 03-10-2008 10:02PM

bellapip wrote: »

Amazing how none of you have sisters or girlfriends or wives. . . .

This happens to women the world over, it has nothing to do with the consumption of alcohol, drugs, or stupidity, or even the lack of knowledge of the spoken language.

Women, from 8 years upwards are abducted on a daily basis, they are raped, sold and used, over and over, without consent, without thought, without care.

would legal prostitution change this? primarily it would allow for new legistative powers, but ultimately it would still mean foreign females without representation can be blackmailed and cajolled.

I don't think anyone is denying that such an incident is a terrible, terrible thing.

But surely a legalisation of prostitution would help prevent things like this from happening again, or at least put a dampner on them.

bellapip wrote: »

If seeing a female forced to have sex when she does not want to, or desire to, or voluntarily chose to gets your rocks off, then it is you, not the law that needs to ask questions.

Bell.

Well, having sex with a woman who voluntarily chose to does get my rocks off. I'd imagine most people are the same.

Redpunto · 03-10-2008 10:07PM

There is a whole lot of fu*k heads out there who have no decent human respect,,,thats it...........................

brianthebard · 03-10-2008 10:08PM

bellapip wrote: »

Amazing how none of you have sisters or girlfriends or wives. . . .

[bouncer voice] C'mon people have ye not got sisters or girlsfriends to home to?![/bouncer]

dotsman · 03-10-2008 10:12PM

bellapip wrote: »

Amazing how none of you have sisters or girlfriends or wives. . . .

This happens to women the world over, it has nothing to do with the consumption of alcohol, drugs, or stupidity, or even the lack of knowledge of the spoken language.

Women, from 8 years upwards are abducted on a daily basis, they are raped, sold and used, over and over, without consent, without thought, without care.

would legal prostitution change this? primarily it would allow for new legistative powers, but ultimately it would still mean foreign females without representation can be blackmailed and cajolled.

If seeing a female forced to have sex when she does not want to, or desire to, or voluntarily chose to gets your rocks off, then it is you, not the law that needs to ask questions.

Bell.

And there's your problem. You ramble on with your feminist attitude, attacking guys for not taking it seriously, then making it out that only young girls are forced into slavery when there's a ****load of young boys forced into it as well.

Of course legalising it would eliminate it. By legalising it, you can regulate it. For example, all prostitutes have to have their "health cards" (whereby they are checked monthly for any STI/STDs, and thus licensed to prostitue etc). Therefore, any man or woman who chooses to engage the services of a prostitute will, undoubtedly, want their prositute to produce said identity card.

You not only dramatically reduce the demand for slaves, you outprice them in the market, and with the added benefit of reassurances that they (licensed prostitutes) are STI/STD-free (coupled with increasing the penalties against anybody engaged in unlicensed prostitution), will kill off any slavery in Ireland.

Suicide Jockey · 03-10-2008 10:17PM

What the **** has the thread title got to do with hookers?

The Mighty Ken · 04-10-2008 12:20AM

I suppose if there's anything we can gain from this thread it's that sex slavery and voluntary prostitution are different things. It seems that the OP is trying to blur the lines between the two. I would love to know what the OP's opinion is of women who work voluntarily as prostitutes.

Galvasean · 04-10-2008 01:08AM

If prostitution were legalised would I be within my rights to demand a receipt so I, as an artiste, could claim the tax back?

Kernel · 04-10-2008 01:20AM

Mordeth wrote: »

prostitution is fine, slavery is not. There is a difference.

If your statement is true, then you would have absolutely no problems with your mother/sister/daughter working as a prostitute?

dotsman wrote:

Of course legalising it would eliminate it. By legalising it, you can regulate it. For example, all prostitutes have to have their "health cards" (whereby they are checked monthly for any STI/STDs, and thus licensed to prostitue etc). Therefore, any man or woman who chooses to engage the services of a prostitute will, undoubtedly, want their prositute to produce said identity card.

So all the Hep/HIV smackhead junkie prostitutes would go and seek gainful employment under such a system? Who would pay for the health checks and who would carry them out? Taxpayers money from the HSE???

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 04-10-2008 01:22AM

Kernel wrote: »

If your statement is true, then you would have absolutely no problems with your mother/sister/daughter working as a prostitute?

if they were my slaves, I would have a problem with it but they're not so they can do whatever they want with whomever they want.

Galvasean · 04-10-2008 01:26AM

Kernel wrote: »

Who would pay for the health checks and who would carry them out? Taxpayers money from the HSE???

Such checks could be funded with money generated from taxing the prostitution business. I taught that one would be fairly obvious.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 04-10-2008 01:31AM

or how about not taxing it, and refusing their license unless they pay for their own check ups from licensed groups?

damn leftists and your taxes.

Kernel · 04-10-2008 01:31AM

Mordeth wrote: »

if they were my slaves, I would have a problem with it but they're not so they can do whatever they want with whomever they want.

So answer the question. You would have no problem with your mother/sister/daughter blowing 80 year old pervs down some lane??

Kernel · 04-10-2008 01:34AM

Galvasean wrote: »

Such checks could be funded with money generated from taxing the prostitution business. I taught that one would be fairly obvious.

Well Galvescon, I have my doubts that VAT from bjs would be sufficient to pay for a prostitution regulator, as well as health checks every month. Also not too keen on having a load of brazzers clogging up the health service while I'm waiting to get my triple bypass sorted out.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 04-10-2008 01:39AM

Kernel wrote: »

So answer the question. You would have no problem with your mother/sister/daughter blowing 80 year old pervs down some lane??

well if it was legal, it wouldn't be happening in side streets and laneways would it now?
You do understand that when you're doing something illegal, you tend to hide form the police.. right? And when what you are doing is not illegal, there is no reason for you to hide from the police? That sinking in?

Kernel · 04-10-2008 01:55AM

Mordeth wrote: »

well if it was legal, it wouldn't be happening in side streets and laneways would it now?
You do understand that when you're doing something illegal, you tend to hide form the police.. right? And when what you are doing is not illegal, there is no reason for you to hide from the police? That sinking in?

Still dodging the question with simple pedantry. Would you have no problem with your mother/sister/daughter blowing 80 year old pervs in brothels all day long then?

hopalong85 · 04-10-2008 02:00AM

MagicMarker wrote: »

Judgmental much?

pay for sex much?:)

hopalong85 · 04-10-2008 02:06AM

Mordeth wrote: »

well if it was legal, it wouldn't be happening in side streets and laneways would it now?
You do understand that when you're doing something illegal, you tend to hide form the police.. right? And when what you are doing is not illegal, there is no reason for you to hide from the police? That sinking in?

answer the question dude.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 04-10-2008 02:13AM

Mordeth wrote: »

if they were my slaves, I would have a problem with it but they're not so they can do whatever they want with whomever they want.

you're posting on an internet forum so I'm going to assume you can read.

The Mighty Ken · 04-10-2008 02:18AM

Kernel wrote: »

So answer the question. You would have no problem with your mother/sister/daughter blowing 80 year old pervs down some lane??

What a pathetic and bullying question. I'm pretty sure the answer is no; he wouldn't want his mother/sister/daughter chosing prostitution as a profession. Much the same as he wouldn't want his mother flipping burgers at McDonalds or his daughter working as a binman (binwoman?) Neither would I.

The point is that sometimes people do what they have to do to pay the bills. Many voluntary prostitutes earn a lot of money and do it by choice. That's not to say they enjoy it but most of those that do it voluntarily could very easily take a minimum wage job instead.

Kernel · 04-10-2008 02:25AM

The Mighty Ken wrote: »

What a pathetic and bullying question. I'm pretty sure the answer is no; he wouldn't want his mother/sister/daughter chosing prostitution as a profession. Much the same as he wouldn't want his mother flipping burgers at McDonalds or his daughter working as a binman (binwoman?) Neither would I.

Ah yes, but the statement made by Mordeth was 'prostitution is fine'. It's not fine however, and any normal person would be extremely upset if a female they cared about went into such an occupation. This is because the idea of some smelly repulsive old fart carrying out sex acts on said female for money is abhorrent, and not something we would want for someone we care about. It is also an occupation which carries a high risk of disease, even if somehow the physical danger involved would be eliminated by decriminalisation.

Therefore, prostitution is not fine, and it was a stupid statement to make. Mordeth realised this, and that is why he remained evasive on the subject rather than holding his hands up and admitting his error. Pride's a bitch,

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 04-10-2008 02:38AM

why is the idea of an old man having sex with a younger woman disgusting? I don't particularly want to see it, but I wouldn't begrudge the old bastard his hole. And if a woman decides that she is willing to perform sex acts with him for a fee, it is no business of yours or mine whoever that woman or man happens to be. They are both adults, they have a right to a private life without your judgemental narrow mindedness.

It's not fine however, and any normal person would be extremely upset if a female they cared about went into such an occupation.

and your point? Coal miners shouldnt be allowed work because it offends green peace? What you think about the blowjober and the blowjobee are completely besides the point, they are two legally responsible adults and it is up to them to decide what they do with their money and their time.

It is also an occupation which carries a high risk of disease, even if somehow the physical danger involved would be eliminated by decriminalisation.

a large amount of the current risk of disease comes from the illegality, the fact that many of the women working now are sex slaves without medical care and the fact that some pimp is stealing a large portion of the money they earn so health care becomes a luxury as opposed to a neccesity. As with the regular risk of disease that comes with sex, it doesn't seem to bother hundreds of thousands of night club goers country wide. What exactly is your objection to private enterprise?

Therefore, prostitution is not fine, and it was a stupid statement to make. Mordeth realised this, and that is why he remained evasive on the subject rather than holding his hands up and admitting his error. Pride's a bitch,

prostitution is not fine because it makes you feel bad? well muffin, maybe some day you will be in a position to enforce your little utopia on us all but until then don't forget to polish your tinfoil hat.

SoWatchaWant · 04-10-2008 02:42AM

taconnol wrote: »

A Lithuanian woman was gang-raped, drugged and told she would be sold into prostitution during an ordeal, a court heard today.

She won't like that.

pseudonym1 · 04-10-2008 02:48AM

Prostitution is not a volenterey profession usually desperate circumstances forces people to do such.

sorry about spelling..

For those who think prostitution in Ireland is A-OK...

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