For those who think prostitution in Ireland is A-OK...

Macha

or think that there's no human trafficking in Ireland. Sick f*ckers:

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhidaucwojau/rss2/

A Lithuanian woman was gang-raped, drugged and told she would be sold into prostitution during an ordeal, a court heard today.

The victim was abducted from a pub in the North and attacked by at least five men during her 24-hour imprisonment.

Three fellow Lithuanian nationals were sentenced to between eight and 14 years behind bars.

Mr Justice Ben Stephens told a Crown Court in Belfast: “This was a horrific experience of complete sexual, mental and physical violation.

“A total degradation of her body and mind, brutal, sordid perversion.”

The victim, sexually naive, with few connections in a foreign country, had been left vulnerable by an earlier rape when she was persuaded to meet one of her attackers in a bar.

She was subsequently taken by car to a remote mountainous area, stripped and raped.

Her captors tried to feed her ecstasy and later took her to a house where more serial attacks happened.

Cousins Saulius Petraitis (aged 24) Vitalijus Petraitis, and Audrius Sliogeris (aged 23) were all in the dock facing charges including rape, kidnap and unlawful imprisonment.

Saulius Petraitis and Sliogeris were given 14 years imprisonment and told they would be deported following their release. Vitalijus Petraitis was given eight years and also recommended for deportation.

All three signed the sex offenders register.

The judge said an uncharged man, Julius, planned to "induct'' the victim, referred to in court as "TR", into prostitution.

He added the financial objective of the plan from the point of view of Julius was that once she was inducted she would be sold for €15,000.

“In essence the aim was to cut her off from her friends, her home and family and the person that she was and to utterly change her life.

“The purpose of multiple rapes as far as Julius was concerned being to force TR to experience intercourse in one day with a number of men and familiarise TR with the working life of a prostitute,” he said.

The victim was raped on one occasion after being lured to a “party” but then pursued by her attackers.

She was later persuaded to meet Julius in a bar, then taken away in his car.

Once in the vehicle, which Sliogeris and Saulius later got into, the helpless victim was locked inside and rapidly became distraught and hysterical.

Mr Justice Stephens said the assailants demanded her passport.

“The inquiry about her passport was particularly sinister. The cumulative effect was that TR (the victim) would despair and fear for her life.”

He added: “She started to scream, to kick out and to fight, in an attempt to leave the car the windscreen window of the car was cracked by TR, such was the force she was using to kick out.”

He said she was taken to a deserted mountain track and raped by Julius while Sliogeris and Vitalijus sat on the bonnet of the car awaiting their turn.

The victim was also forced to perform oral sex, degraded and humiliated, despite weeping and pleading with her attackers to accept a ransom for her release.

Although the judge said all three men were dangerous, Vitalijus did not participate in the kidnap and the false imprisonment charge did not proceed.

MagicMarker

I like sex.

Prof.Badass

hah! that was yore ma!:D

4zn76tysfajdxp

Who the **** thinks prostitution is "A-OK?"

MagicMarker

How exactly was she 'persuaded' to meet her attacker in a bar?

She's not the brightest star in the sky is she?

Prof.Badass

Kenia Shrilling Quartet wrote: »

Who the **** thinks prostitution is "A-OK?"

If legal and regulated strictly i don't see a problem with it.

Personally i'd like to be able to charge women to have sex with me!:D

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

prostitution is fine, slavery is not. There is a difference.

Phlann

You probably shouldn't have bothered posting this in here. It'll just be treated as another excuse for socially inept virgins to make rape jokes.

Gran Hermano

Didn't happen in my country, OP refers to Belfast.
Are we to start a thread every time there's a case like this in a foreign country?

KnifeWRENCH

Kenia Shrilling Quartet wrote: »

Who the **** thinks prostitution is "A-OK?"

The people of the Netherlands, and the tourists who go to Amsterdam's Red Light District, to name a few.

There was a debate about this in UCC Monday night, and the Philosoph (the philosophical/debating society) voted that prostitution should be decriminalised.
I myself voted in favour of it - if it was properly regulated and the women were adequately protected, I'd have no problem with it.
It would certainly be safer for prostitutes who are victims of violence - they can report crimes without fear of being arrested themselves.

Wreck

Mordeth wrote: »

prostitution is fine, slavery is not. There is a difference.

QFT. The thread title is misleading at best. Actually it's sensationalist bullsh!t.

Prof.Badass

Gran Hermano wrote: »

Didn't happen in my country, OP refers to Belfast.
Are we to start a thread every time there's a case like this in a foreign country?

Not only that, but we post about it a few more times over the coming year to make it look like it happens all the time even though it's the same incidence.

(actually this doesn't happen in AH, but the papers do it all the time).

Macha

Mordeth wrote: »

prostitution is fine, slavery is not. There is a difference.

How exactly do you tell the difference when you're looking at a foreign girl who speaks broken English in a hotel room?

SmileyPaul

this sorta **** is properly messed up
I dont see a point to this and i feel it even sicker to pay to have sex with a girl who is clearly in horrible distress
there just as much monsters as the people who attempted to abduct her in the first place...

Jay D

Wreck wrote: »

QFT. The thread title is misleading at best. Actually it's sensationalist bullsh!t.

have to say I completely agree, the op is dillusional at best.
I don't believe everything I read.

Wreck

taconnol wrote: »

How exactly do you tell the difference when you're looking at a foreign girl who speaks broken English in a hotel room?

How do you know the foreign girl who speaks broken English changing the sheets in your hotel room isn't a slave? Prostitution and slavery are two different things.

pablomakaveli

If prostitution was legalised it could be regulated and hopefully people would visit legal licensed brothels with women who want to sell sex instead of visiting brothels with women who have been forced to work in the sex trade.

MagicMarker

Phlann wrote: »

You probably shouldn't have bothered posting this in here. It'll just be treated as another excuse for socially inept virgins to make rape jokes.

boo hiss boo

anti-venom

Wreck wrote: »

QFT. The thread title is misleading at best. Actually it's sensationalist bullsh!t.

Couldn't agree more. A well regulated, professionally operated and health conscious prostitution business should have nothing in common with what these lowlife bottom-feeding scumbags do. The op can't seem to differentiate between the two, preferring to paint the lot with the same seedy brush. If consenting adults freely decide to engage in prostitutiton then the only say that society should have, via the state, is that it is well regulated and safe for all concerned, not to make subjective and broad moral judgements on the rights and wrongs of the trade.

Macha

For the record, I am for the legalisation of prostitution. I am not "delusional" and I am not making any moral judgements on the theory of prostitution.

I am merely highlighting the reality of Ireland's unregulated, illegal prostitution trade.

MagicMarker

taconnol wrote: »

For the record, I am for the legalisation of prostitution. I am not "delusional" and I am not making any moral judgements on the theory of prostitution.

I am merely highlighting the reality of Ireland's unregulated, illegal prostitution trade.

This isn't prostitution, they didn't even pay her.

KnifeWRENCH

taconnol wrote: »

For the record, I am for the legalisation of prostitution. I am not "delusional" and I am not making any moral judgements on the theory of prostitution.

Your choice of thread title suggests otherwise.

I am merely highlighting the reality of Ireland's unregulated, illegal prostitution trade.

By taking an example from Northern Ireland?

hopalong85

Jay D wrote: »

have to say I completely agree, the op is dillusional at best.
I don't believe everything I read.

how is the op delusional? are you implying that you don't believe this story? if so, why not?

hopalong85

Wreck wrote: »

How do you know the foreign girl who speaks broken English changing the sheets in your hotel room isn't a slave? Prostitution and slavery are two different things.

don't be ridiculous. that's an appalling analogy if ever i've seen one. sex slavery in western europe is a reality, wake up to that fact.

Macha

square_igloo wrote: »

Your choice of thread title suggests otherwise.

I intentionally left it ambiguous.

square_igloo wrote: »

By taking an example from Northern Ireland?

Similar incidents have taken place in the Republic and given the effective lack of border between NI and Eire, who's to know she wouldn't have ended up working here?

MagicMarker

taconnol wrote: »

I intentionally left it ambiguous.

Similar incidents have taken place in the Republic and given the effective lack of border between NI and Eire, who's to know she wouldn't have ended up working here?

Because we're currently going through an economic downturn and not many people can afford the nookie?

uglyjohn

comin over here, taking our jobs..the cheek of her!

irish prostitutes no1!

hopalong85

MagicMarker wrote: »

Because we're currently going through an economic downturn and not many people can afford the nookie?

the sad people who are so desperate as to have to pay for sexual intercourse won't let an economic downturn stop them.

m@cc@

taconnol wrote: »

or think that there's no human trafficking in Ireland.

Mr Justice Ben Stephens told a Crown Court in Belfast

The Mexicans won't like that. :pac:

MagicMarker

hopalong85 wrote: »

the sad people who are so desperate as to have to pay for sexual intercourse won't let an economic downturn stop them.

Judgmental much?

m@cc@

hopalong85 wrote: »

the sad people who are so desperate as to have to pay for sexual intercourse won't let an economic downturn stop them.

I wonder if the prozzies demand that they leave a deposit.

Gran Hermano

m@cc@ wrote: »

I wonder if the prozzies demand that they leave a deposit.

Or give them a tip?

dotsman

This has very little to do with prostitution. That was gang rape and attempted slavery. Something very different and, as long as prostitution is swept under the carpet, will continue in this country.

Prof.Badass

m@cc@ wrote: »

I wonder if the prozzies demand that they leave a deposit.

what has the church of ireland got to do with prostitution?

Lockstep

My opinion:
Terrible story.
That is all.

m@cc@

vinylmesh wrote: »

what has the church of ireland got to do with prostitution?

Now who's being naive?

bellapip

Amazing how none of you have sisters or girlfriends or wives. . . .

This happens to women the world over, it has nothing to do with the consumption of alcohol, drugs, or stupidity, or even the lack of knowledge of the spoken language.

Women, from 8 years upwards are abducted on a daily basis, they are raped, sold and used, over and over, without consent, without thought, without care.

would legal prostitution change this? primarily it would allow for new legistative powers, but ultimately it would still mean foreign females without representation can be blackmailed and cajolled.

If seeing a female forced to have sex when she does not want to, or desire to, or voluntarily chose to gets your rocks off, then it is you, not the law that needs to ask questions.

Bell.

Tha Gopher

Pimpin aint easy!

Sorry but I find the whole slavery thing a sham generally. It has been talked of for years, so women in these countries surely know of the rumoured risks.

Lockstep

bellapip wrote: »

Amazing how none of you have sisters or girlfriends or wives. . . .

This happens to women the world over, it has nothing to do with the consumption of alcohol, drugs, or stupidity, or even the lack of knowledge of the spoken language.

Women, from 8 years upwards are abducted on a daily basis, they are raped, sold and used, over and over, without consent, without thought, without care.

would legal prostitution change this? primarily it would allow for new legistative powers, but ultimately it would still mean foreign females without representation can be blackmailed and cajolled.

I don't think anyone is denying that such an incident is a terrible, terrible thing.

But surely a legalisation of prostitution would help prevent things like this from happening again, or at least put a dampner on them.

bellapip wrote: »

If seeing a female forced to have sex when she does not want to, or desire to, or voluntarily chose to gets your rocks off, then it is you, not the law that needs to ask questions.

Bell.

Well, having sex with a woman who voluntarily chose to does get my rocks off. I'd imagine most people are the same.

Redpunto

There is a whole lot of fu*k heads out there who have no decent human respect,,,thats it...........................

brianthebard

bellapip wrote: »

Amazing how none of you have sisters or girlfriends or wives. . . .

[bouncer voice] C'mon people have ye not got sisters or girlsfriends to home to?![/bouncer]

dotsman

bellapip wrote: »

Amazing how none of you have sisters or girlfriends or wives. . . .

This happens to women the world over, it has nothing to do with the consumption of alcohol, drugs, or stupidity, or even the lack of knowledge of the spoken language.

Women, from 8 years upwards are abducted on a daily basis, they are raped, sold and used, over and over, without consent, without thought, without care.

would legal prostitution change this? primarily it would allow for new legistative powers, but ultimately it would still mean foreign females without representation can be blackmailed and cajolled.

If seeing a female forced to have sex when she does not want to, or desire to, or voluntarily chose to gets your rocks off, then it is you, not the law that needs to ask questions.

Bell.

And there's your problem. You ramble on with your feminist attitude, attacking guys for not taking it seriously, then making it out that only young girls are forced into slavery when there's a ****load of young boys forced into it as well.

Of course legalising it would eliminate it. By legalising it, you can regulate it. For example, all prostitutes have to have their "health cards" (whereby they are checked monthly for any STI/STDs, and thus licensed to prostitue etc). Therefore, any man or woman who chooses to engage the services of a prostitute will, undoubtedly, want their prositute to produce said identity card.

You not only dramatically reduce the demand for slaves, you outprice them in the market, and with the added benefit of reassurances that they (licensed prostitutes) are STI/STD-free (coupled with increasing the penalties against anybody engaged in unlicensed prostitution), will kill off any slavery in Ireland.

Suicide Jockey

What the **** has the thread title got to do with hookers?

The Mighty Ken

I suppose if there's anything we can gain from this thread it's that sex slavery and voluntary prostitution are different things. It seems that the OP is trying to blur the lines between the two. I would love to know what the OP's opinion is of women who work voluntarily as prostitutes.

Galvasean

If prostitution were legalised would I be within my rights to demand a receipt so I, as an artiste, could claim the tax back?

Kernel

Mordeth wrote: »

prostitution is fine, slavery is not. There is a difference.

If your statement is true, then you would have absolutely no problems with your mother/sister/daughter working as a prostitute?

dotsman wrote:

Of course legalising it would eliminate it. By legalising it, you can regulate it. For example, all prostitutes have to have their "health cards" (whereby they are checked monthly for any STI/STDs, and thus licensed to prostitue etc). Therefore, any man or woman who chooses to engage the services of a prostitute will, undoubtedly, want their prositute to produce said identity card.

So all the Hep/HIV smackhead junkie prostitutes would go and seek gainful employment under such a system? Who would pay for the health checks and who would carry them out? Taxpayers money from the HSE???

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Kernel wrote: »

If your statement is true, then you would have absolutely no problems with your mother/sister/daughter working as a prostitute?

if they were my slaves, I would have a problem with it but they're not so they can do whatever they want with whomever they want.

Galvasean

Kernel wrote: »

Who would pay for the health checks and who would carry them out? Taxpayers money from the HSE???

Such checks could be funded with money generated from taxing the prostitution business. I taught that one would be fairly obvious.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

or how about not taxing it, and refusing their license unless they pay for their own check ups from licensed groups?

damn leftists and your taxes.

Kernel

Mordeth wrote: »

if they were my slaves, I would have a problem with it but they're not so they can do whatever they want with whomever they want.

So answer the question. You would have no problem with your mother/sister/daughter blowing 80 year old pervs down some lane??

Kernel

Galvasean wrote: »

Such checks could be funded with money generated from taxing the prostitution business. I taught that one would be fairly obvious.

Well Galvescon, I have my doubts that VAT from bjs would be sufficient to pay for a prostitution regulator, as well as health checks every month. Also not too keen on having a load of brazzers clogging up the health service while I'm waiting to get my triple bypass sorted out.