US / IRL: 4X01 / 4X02 - "Scylla" / "Breaking And Entering" [** SPOILERS WITHIN *

Watched it a few hours ago. Really good to have it back!

This season could go either way based on this episode.

Very dissapointing. I see this season moving swiftly downhill. Hope they end it this season.

Really good, I think this season's gonna be good - Great way to totally re-invent the show.

Would have been a lot better if RTÉ hadn't mucked up the broadcast and put it out in 4:3 on Sky. But anyway....

Why didn't they just get Sara to go back to the cleaning lady and say "I think I dropped my phone into your handbag, could you get it back for me?"

I knew Gretchen was still alive, as usual, we don't hear the gun go off when she was "killed" so classic PB rules should dictate the person is still alive. Wasn't expecting Whistler to bite the dust though, I thought after Whistler got popped that he was the "major" character to get killed.

Overall I gave the whole thing an 8. The first episode was OK, but the second was better. Seperately I would give ep 1 a 7 and episode 2 a 9, so it gets an 8 overall.

Lazy script-writing all round.
You can just imagine the meeting went like this:
"We need to get T-Bag, Bellick and Sucre out of Sona without having to take up a lot of episodes"
"Emmm, let's just say there was a fire and they all escaped?"
"Grand, that'll do"

Also, so now Sara was tortured while The Company had her? How convenient, now Michael has a reason to seek revenge seeing as his original reason (that The Company killed her) is now defunct.
T-Bag's comedy value has worn off, but they are already developing a storyline to get him involved in later eps.

im long used to ignoring massive plot holes & complete lack of common sense from characters.. . missed that complete "what the fauk" feeling that i still got watching it over the years tho, definatly lost a bit of his spark.


also disappointed they removed the tatto's. imo, a very important part of the character, the gravity in going throguh such a drastic life change like getting a full body tattoo was just completly removed . . .

Have to say it was an ok two episodes. A bit farfetched at times but hey.
One thing has me really confused however:

Whistler makes a copy of the original card and gives the copy to Gretchen.
He then leaves the other card (which I can only presume is the original) in a newspaper which is picked up by a white haired man.
Later Whistler is killed and another card (apparently the original) is recovered from his body. Now where exactly did this card come from? He didn't have time to make two copies. This card is then given to who I believe is the same white haired man who would now have two copies.
Did anyone else see something I didn't?

Come on people. It's season 4 and people are complaining about lack of realism and daft off the wall things happening. It was like that from the very beginning. Only difference now is that the plot has taken so many twists and turns it's in danger of disappearing up its own backside.

Still entertaining though.:D

Drawn to this like a moth to a flame, and you say to yourself after watching, bubble-gum-for-the-brain-big-time.

You could drive holes through the plot, the actors are like something cut from the back of a cornflake's box, characters assumed dead keep coming back (for no reason), T-Bag just about keeping his head above water with the one-liners, instant tattoo removal (WTF?), wifi hard drives / cell phones unable to transmit data a few hundred feet, 4 guys hopping a fence and literally strolling into a heavily guarded compound to recover the device, etc., etc.? Even Homer never managed to pen such gobbledygook.

Of course I will be tuning in next week .

If I was to list the plot holes. I'd still be writing this in 3 hours(which is probably longer then the writers took to write the script). But my favourite is the device which can all retrieve all data within 10 feet, that made me chuckle.

I think my biggest problem with everything now is you just know that they have no idea where they are going with it. The longer it goes on the more convoluted everything gets and the explanations for why everyone stays together get worse and worse and they find themselves in more and more corners. It just gets to the stage where you just don't care what happens to any of them

Still, my highlight like others have said above was definitely the line about the bad Mexican. Rare highlight

I think it is terrible TV from the start, the worst character come back since Bobby Ewing, Sara tortured by the Company for what reason what information had she on her that they could want or was it tortured for fun then released, then T Bag eating the Mexican after a few days in the dessert reminds me of a Simpson’s episode when they were camping and turned to cannibalism after a few hours.

Paddy C wrote: »

Would have been a lot better if RTÉ hadn't mucked up the broadcast and put it out in 4:3 on Sky. But anyway....

Why didn't they just get Sara to go back to the cleaning lady and say "I think I dropped my phone into your handbag, could you get it back for me?"

That's exactly what I was wondering. That private security company weren't much good either.

I knew Gretchen was still alive, as usual, we don't hear the gun go off when she was "killed" so classic PB rules should dictate the person is still alive. Wasn't expecting Whistler to bite the dust though, I thought after Whistler got popped that he was the "major" character to get killed.

Given that you saw gore when Whistler got shot, and didn't even hear the gun go off for her, that was a safe bet.


It's a lot better than season 3 - I watched the last 15 minutes of that on Monday night and wasn't even going to bother watching this season.

They've basically scrapped S3 - get everyone out of Sona, out of Panama, forget all that stuff ever happened, even kill off Whistler, which was a surprise. Which is great, Sona was a disaster. Last thing it needed would have been the first 6 episdoes explaining how bellick, T-Bag and Sucre get out of sona and back to the US.

All the surviving S1 characters back together in the US. Mahone working with Michael against the Company - it's like a lot of people expected S3 to be.

OK, you've got the ridiculous electroinic gizmo, and the crap private security who don't notice carloads of people sitting outside their front gate with binoculars (and are friendly neighbours, rushihng off to check alarms across the street), Sara coming back, but at least it's moving along pretty fast.

Losing the tattoos was a good move, it'll stop them having to use them every time you see Michael's arm.

The first episode was more of a recap, and fairly rubbish. Here's what happened, here's how we're all back together, here's what we need to do now. The second episode was much better as a result.

I'm glad RTÉ have it so quickly after the US. I think I'd be giving up on it quicker if I had to waste my bandwidth on it.

watched these again today, quite good, will keep watching.

although anyone notice that when bruce bennett was confronted by the agent that works for the general that he said something along the lines of "hey Mr. Burrows"

surprised that got passed the editors.

Bond-007 wrote: »

Watchable enough. But the plot holes are not just holes now, they are huge plot craters. Like how does a wanted Scofield manage to travel from LA to Chicago very quickly without being caught? The whole "Sona burnt down and we all escaped" line made me chuckle. How did they escape the Panamanian army?

I've lost track, but is he still wanted in the US? Weren't they pardoned at the end of S2? Or the start of S3? when Kellerman testified? He was wanted in Panama alright for the guy Linc (or was it Sara) shot, which got him into Sona, but thought the US were OK with him.

basquille wrote: »

What about the fact that her name was still in the credits in the second episode?! :rolleyes:

There were credits for the second ep? did RTE show it as two? Sky just rolled them together.


Mahone seems a bit confused - seems to still be still doing a bit of the junkie withdrawal thing sometimes, but other times he's OK. And what happened to Bellick's ma?