PSNI Recruitment - Stage 3 - Vetting

goodcopbadcop · 02-08-2008 10:34am

I cant even count the number of times I have watched some of those uk police programs, street crime uk etc and the police are trying to catch someone and can barely break out into a decent paced jog, I would be sprinting as fast as I could right away to catch the person. Also seen it one time where police man actually had a man in his hands and was going to arrest him and he ran off (drunk) and the police man made a half hearted attempt to go after and then just stopped. Pathetic really, the guy got away because the police man wasnt strong and fast enough to keep hold of him.

I think instead of getting officers to run x miles at a slow ridiculous pace they should focus more on making sure they are able to run the 100 and 200 metres in a good time.

There is more to the job than being strong and fast, but if the government is going to spend the time and money making a police force, and people are supposed to have faith in it then I think those who join should have to pass stricter physical testing and maintain it alot better, and not let it all go away a year or two down the line when the pressure of being watched is off them.

Gee-22 · 02-08-2008 11:05am

jim2008 wrote: »

Did i say build like a brick **** house?? I said fit and strong, someone who looks after themselves. And you might not have a couple of officers by your side might just be the two of you. Also someone who is drunk or off their head wont care what size you are thats my point, so its at times like this when you need a strong officer beside you. Dont think it would look to good Gee if you started hitting someone with a batton cause he/she was drunk and you could not control them. I agree that a good police officer should be able you use his/her head and deal with a situation but there will be many times over a police officers duty when force has to be used. So better to be fit.

As i said i was joking about the batton etc.

As a qualified fitness instructor and some one who has been working in the fitness industry for nearly ten years i fully understand all the benefits of looking after your fitness. But the point i was trying to make was just becuase some one is built like a s*** brick house will not automaticaly make them better than some one half their size.....

--thepirate-- · 02-08-2008 11:32am

I dont think anyone is arguing a point been health and fit makes you a better police officer.But I have a car and to ensure it does its job to its best I have to service it on a regular basis.Likewise I believe our police officers should be 'serviced' regularly.Your serving the public,they pay your wages.I agree with the person who said the day of "your big,you'd make a good policeman"is over but I also want to see the day of were the streets are patroled by overweight,unhealthy men or women.I mean last weekend I seen a police car outside MCDonalds at 1am.I tought there was a fight but no..out came an overweight cop with enough happy meals to feed a small army.Im not just saying food wise,I myself noticed my physical health was at a low 2years ago.I therefore quiet smoking and completly lowered my alcohol intake.Its about personal responsibility,personal health.I myself have seen a young man I knew get into the Gardai and within 2-3 months I seen him out in the pub skulling pints of Guinness and I swear he must have gained at least 2 stone:eek:
I look at these men as glorifiedtraffic wardens,overpaid slobs.
If you believe you have what it takes to be a police officer,a servant to the public then its time you man up and get in shape.Is it that much to ask for?That much to expect?

Gee-22 · 02-08-2008 11:46am

--thepirate-- wrote: »

I dont think anyone is arguing a point been health and fit makes you a better police officer.But I have a car and to ensure it does its job to its best I have to service it on a regular basis.Likewise I believe our police officers should be 'serviced' regularly.Your serving the public,they pay your wages.I agree with the person who said the day of "your big,you'd make a good policeman"is over but I also want to see the day of were the streets are patroled by overweight,unhealthy men or women.I mean last weekend I seen a police car outside MCDonalds at 1am.I tought there was a fight but no..out came an overweight cop with enough happy meals to feed a small army.Im not just saying food wise,I myself noticed my physical health was at a low 2years ago.I therefore quiet smoking and completly lowered my alcohol intake.Its about personal responsibility,personal health.I myself have seen a young man I knew get into the Gardai and within 2-3 months I seen him out in the pub skulling pints of Guinness and I swear he must have gained at least 2 stone:eek:
I look at these men as glorifiedtraffic wardens,overpaid slobs.
If you believe you have what it takes to be a police officer,a servant to the public then its time you man up and get in shape.Is it that much to ask for?That much to expect?

I have to say i have not seen to many over weight psni officers out on the street maybe the gardai are different.

I have seen psni in a Mcdonalds drive through, but at the end of the day they dont get alot of time for breaks and have to eat on the go. They cant cant go back to the station and grill some salmon and boil some veg.

MrsGeneHunt · 02-08-2008 1:02pm

I appreciate you all have views on this but the vetting board isnt the place for them.
Can you relocate this discussion to the general or lads thread?

Theres a lot of debate about vetting at the minute post AC and newbies will be swamped with lots of irrelevant postings.

Ta:)

Griffer2 · 02-08-2008 2:53pm

Back to the point the --the pitate-- made, i think the credit check is a way for them to build up a picture of who you are and as long as you aren't in arrears of 20grand or so you will be fine..... also made me think that given the current situation with the "credit crunch" more and more people are going to be defaulting on their loans and essentially only the very very rich will be able to support themselves and only they will be able to join the police.....

just a thought it probably won't make sense to anyone else but it does in my head lol:D

DustyMan · 03-08-2008 6:42pm

I'm worried myself that IF i do get to the vetting stage It could be the end for me. I do have a very large mortgage and other loans too. However I do have a clean credit record (never missed any payments on loan repayments etc) but with such a large mortgage etc they (vetting) may not look favorably on me.

MrsGeneHunt · 03-08-2008 6:53pm

DustyMan wrote: »

I'm worried myself that IF i do get to the vetting stage It could be the end for me. I do have a very large mortgage and other loans too. However I do have a clean credit record (never missed any payments on loan repayments etc) but with such a large mortgage etc they (vetting) may not look favorably on me.

I dont know for certain if the amount you owe goes against you. BUT you do have a clean credit record so personally, I think you'll be okay.

I think CCJs, defaults and arrears are things that bring up the red flag so to speak.

All you can do when you get the vetting forms, is be honest, send it away and hope for the best.

Fo · 04-08-2008 9:17pm

Hi,

On the vetting forms, where it asks for your parents current address, and previous addresses for the past 10 years....

do you leave it blank if your parents have lived in their current address for well over 10yrs?

Or write "same as current" ? or just write their current address in again? or "n/a" ??

Any ideas?

PapaYankeeGirl · 04-08-2008 9:30pm

I put N/A , i think

Actually i may have just filled in the current address again to be sure. Cant actually remember. Sorry. This is a pointless post, no help to you

Fo · 04-08-2008 9:46pm

PapaYankeeGirl wrote: »

I put N/A , i think Actually i may have just filled in the current address again to be sure. Cant actually remember. Sorry. This is a pointless post, no help to you

Well atleast it made me chuckle!

given1 · 04-08-2008 9:59pm

lolol trust pyg:D i would just put n/a fo

welshy1873 · 05-08-2008 11:40am

I am a bit worried about the credit isue too as i have an average mortgage for my own house but also have a buy to let mortgage on a house in scotland and 1 c.c my history should be clean i missed 1 payment on c.c. due to not getting bill but everything else is paid on time everytime, but was more worried because i am only 23 do they take age into account?

rugby_blonde · 05-08-2008 9:28pm

Ok,

So I've recieved a confirmation letter saying I've passed Stage two but don't have the Scores or feedback. I havent recieved any Vetting Forms and to be honest i'm quite simply peeved at not knowing whats going on..

Can anyone help me?

I know that because It says I've passed Stage two doesnt necessarily mean I'll get in etc etc. If I gain a high score though does this mean I'm moe or less in or what?

Please Help!!!

New Recruit · 05-08-2008 10:19pm

rugby_blonde wrote: »

Ok,

So I've recieved a confirmation letter saying I've passed Stage two but don't have the Scores or feedback. I havent recieved any Vetting Forms and to be honest i'm quite simply peeved at not knowing whats going on..

Can anyone help me?

I know that because It says I've passed Stage two doesnt necessarily mean I'll get in etc etc. If I gain a high score though does this mean I'm moe or less in or what?

Please Help!!!

You are now in the waiting game i'm afraid....

I did my AC in November, got my pass letter in December...
Got the Vetting Forms in January..Didn't pass Vetting until May:eek:
Got called for the medical in March..Got the pass letter 5 days later

Didn't get the call to start until last week...I start in September, 16 months after the initial application...

Be prepared for a long wait!!!

rugby_blonde · 06-08-2008 4:49am

Cheers New Recruit for the Help.

It seems I may pull up a Lazy-Boi and join in the activities..
Can I just ask a question..How many times have you done the IST and A/C?

This will be my first time passing the A/C and I can't help but get my hopes up, but also want to stay level headed about the situation..

Hi Ho, Hi Ho, It's off to work I go..
(Thats one thing that won't affect me, i.e working shifts) lol 5am Start- Lovely!

New Recruit · 06-08-2008 8:44am

I failed the IST in C12...

C13 was my first AC.

carlty888 · 06-08-2008 10:04am

New Recruit wrote: »

I failed the IST in C12...

C13 was my first AC.

Passing your A/C at the first attempt and getting the invitation to Hotel Garnerville. That's good going.

C14 is my third campaign. I failed the A/C in C12, passed it in C13 and C14. I sent my C14 vetting forms off a couple of weeks ago. Now to wait.

Zzoop · 06-08-2008 1:50pm

It was my first time doing the IST, first time AC.. Passed first time baby! but.. I STILL haven't got vetting forms yet?? AC in June... Now it's August.. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot...

owen1976 · 11-08-2008 6:53pm

Guess the boards gone a bit on the quiet side now as everyone is waiting for the vetting and the merit numbers to come out. Has anyone got any idea when the merit numbers will be availible? I take it the A/C's are all finished now?

MrsGeneHunt · 11-08-2008 6:58pm

ACs finish this week.

I think the Merit Pool will be available mid Sept. Dont quote me on that though. But with ACs finishing this week, I think 4 weeks to get everything marked and sorted seems reasonable......but I could be wrong!:p

rugby_blonde · 11-08-2008 7:35pm

We can only hope!

I'm nervous, What is the Score out of? I heard 70 Or something?

I also heard that some of Campaign 14 could be selected for Campaign 13 if they didn't get enough numbers, but these could just be rumours...

MrsGeneHunt · 11-08-2008 7:46pm

rugby_blonde wrote: »

We can only hope!

I'm nervous, What is the Score out of? I heard 70 Or something?

I also heard that some of Campaign 14 could be selected for Campaign 13 if they didn't get enough numbers, but these could just be rumours...

Yes the Assessment centre is scored out of 70. There is debate about whether the pass mark is 35 or 40. I was told 40 by a very reliable source and would go with that.

There is a very real possibility that the top tier of C14 could go in with the last intake of C13 to makeup the numbers, its happened before.

Nervous?

Hell yeah!
Like a virgin at a prison rodeo:eek:

owen1976 · 11-08-2008 8:05pm

yeah I hope we can find the merit number out quickly!!! It will at least give us an idea of our chances of getting in and maybe take a bit of the sting out of wait. Mind you maybe it'll make it worse!!!:eek::eek::eek: Hope not!!!

rugby_blonde · 11-08-2008 8:10pm

I was also thinking today,

How many people do you reckon recieve Pass Letters? Are they any statistics? How do they choose the Merit?

MrsGeneHunt · 11-08-2008 8:21pm

rugby_blonde wrote: »

I was also thinking today,

How many people do you reckon recieve Pass Letters? Are they any statistics? How do they choose the Merit?

Everyone who reaches the pass mark gets a pass letter.
Once everyone has completed the ac and all the scores are in then the merit list is compiled. From the highest scoring ( No 1 on the merit list) to the lowest.

People do get Dear John letters. Dont know at what point they cut off for these.

Ah feck. I know nothing. Ignore me. I might go away!:p

BoutYe · 12-08-2008 1:16am

uncleneilly wrote: »

didn't know that myself, i used a police officer and he mustn't have been aware either, in saying that i sent it away last november and they haven't contacted any of my referees(and i just sent his name away again for vetting in campaign 14)

Bugger to that!!! I've done exactly the same!! It doesnt mention police in the list of people not allowed to be used!

Any word on your vetting? Im still waiting.

Anybody know what happens if the campaign comes to an end and the vetting hasn't been completed. I can guess and i'd say my guess is right (tough luck) but just wondering if anybody knows for sure.

carlty888 · 12-08-2008 10:13am

BoutYe wrote: »

Anybody know what happens if the campaign comes to an end and the vetting hasn't been completed. I can guess and i'd say my guess is right (tough luck) but just wondering if anybody knows for sure.

If someone is well placed on the merit list, it doesn't matter how long their vetting takes. A place will be held. Vetting for some people can take over a year. PSNI Recruitment recognise this and do not penalise candidates whos vetting goes beyond the end of the campiaign. You'd probably find that a number of C12 candidates have trained along-side C13 candidates because of this.

Zzoop · 12-08-2008 5:40pm

MrsGeneHunt wrote: »

Everyone who reaches the pass mark gets a pass letter.
Once everyone has completed the ac and all the scores are in then the merit list is compiled. From the highest scoring ( No 1 on the merit list) to the lowest.

People do get Dear John letters. Dont know at what point they cut off for these.

Ah feck. I know nothing. Ignore me. I might go away!:p

So you mean - Assuming everyone with merit scores 1-440 pass the vetting and medical and it's the right ratio of RC/Non-RC, Then Mr Merit Score 441 will get a Dear John Letter? Is that right? Or have I got the wrong end of the batton?

carlty888 · 12-08-2008 5:51pm

Zzoop wrote: »

So you mean - Assuming everyone with merit scores 1-440 pass the vetting and medical and it's the right ratio of RC/Non-RC, Then Mr Merit Score 441 will get a Dear John Letter? Is that right? Or have I got the wrong end of the batton?

I think that's bang on.

Zzoop · 12-08-2008 6:16pm

So let's pretend :

730 people "successfully complete the accessment center" and get the letters to prove it.

So that means there's merit scores 1-730.

My B in GCSE maths therefore tells me that there's 290 people with a percentage used as a possible back up resource?

-

See, it's a waste of time and money to vet the full 290 - so a certain pecentage of that 290 are the backup resource to sort out the 50/50 thing. So Mr Merit Score 441 could very well stand a chance - And a good chance actually.

So then the Dear John Letters would have to be sent out well after they have finalised the initial 440 Trainees. But then you must consider the dropouts. - Then the percentage of the 290 backups comes into play again.

So that's why the waiting game can be such a long game for some candidates. - Because they could be the top 10 people in the 290 that are the back up resource.

So Mr/Mrs Merit Score 441-451 could be the ones in for the really long wait - whereas Mr/Mrs Merit Score 452-730 might get their Dear John/Jane Letters a whole lot quicker.

This is correct thinking yeah? (I just want to get to grips with this in my head.. I expect I'm probably Mr Merit Score 600 or something since I haven't recieved vetting forms yet.. and it's not the right time yet to send out my Dear John Letter.)

uncleneilly · 12-08-2008 6:38pm

BoutYe wrote: »

Bugger to that!!! I've done exactly the same!! It doesnt mention police in the list of people not allowed to be used!

Any word on your vetting? Im still waiting.

Anybody know what happens if the campaign comes to an end and the vetting hasn't been completed. I can guess and i'd say my guess is right (tough luck) but just wondering if anybody knows for sure.

no mate no word yet,will be about nine months now next week, as far as campaign coming to an end i have been told on a couple of occassions now by recruitment that it doesnt matter how long your vetting takes if you were high enough for a place it will be kept
ps. how long are you waiting on your vetting?

New Recruit · 12-08-2008 6:41pm

Lets not get carried away with the Vetting therum...Just because you get the forms, it doesn't cost too much to post you out 20 pages, doesn't mean that they actually go the the expense of vetting them...

I got my vetting forms in January and didn't pass vetting until May. That doesn't mean it took 5 months to vet me, it means it took them 5 months to get down to my place in the merit list before they looked at my vetting form....In the interim, I went for and passed my medical in March...

I have been told that they do not call you for a medical unless thay are going to offer you a place, I would suggest this would be a better place to look for hope!

Zzoop · 12-08-2008 6:45pm

What was your merit number New Recruit?

New Recruit · 12-08-2008 7:02pm

Pm'd you...Start on Sept 7th.

carlty888 · 12-08-2008 7:03pm

New Recruit wrote: »

I have been told that they do not call you for a medical unless thay are going to offer you a place, I would suggest this would be a better place to look for hope!

I'm afraid it's not. I got called for a medical in December 07, got the "Dear John" in January 08 and then a letter saying I'd passed the medical in February 08. My vetting (which started in November 07) was never completed. My merit score was high enough to be called for the vetting/medical, but not high enough to get in. I was in the wastage bracket.

MrsGeneHunt · 12-08-2008 7:05pm

We need a bl**dy Conspiracy theory thread LOL:D

carlty888 · 12-08-2008 7:07pm

New Recruit wrote: »

7**...Start on Sept 7th.

I'm told it's not a good idea to be so specific about details such as your merit placing.

New Recruit · 12-08-2008 7:09pm

carlty888 wrote: »

I'm afraid it's not. I got called for a medical in December 07, got the "Dear John" in January 08 and then a letter saying I'd passed the medical in February 08. My vetting (which started in November 07) was never completed. My merit score was high enough to be called for the vetting/medical, but not high enough to get in. I was in the wastage bracket.

Thank god I didn't know that well...It's the only thong that got me through the last 6 months!!

Zzoop · 12-08-2008 7:11pm

MrsGeneHunt wrote: »

We need a bl**dy Conspiracy theory thread LOL:D

Haha!!

New Recruit · 12-08-2008 7:11pm

carlty888 wrote: »

I'm told it's not a good idea to be so specific about details such as your merit placing.

I edited right away when I caught myself on....Your quick off the mark!!!

Zzoop · 12-08-2008 7:17pm

I didn't realise the merit score could be used maliciously? I thought it was just like your candidate number and all that jazz.

inspector71 · 12-08-2008 7:21pm

Zzoop wrote: »

I didn't realise the merit score could be used maliciously? I thought it was just like your candidate number and all that jazz.

it just makes you easily identied to the PSNI/Consensia.
I don't know what the problems with that might be, probably better to remain anon anyway

Zzoop · 12-08-2008 7:26pm

Ah right I see.

"Hey.. that was a crazy night last night guys!! I was so wiped off my face on disco biscuits I could hardly walk!! - But on other news!! I got my merit score!! It's 234!!"

Two days later..

"..Yeah... Got a Dear John Letter so I did.."

carlty888 · 12-08-2008 7:28pm

New Recruit wrote: »

Thank god I didn't know that well...It's the only thong that got me through the last 6 months!!

If thongs are what gets you though....
Probably best to keep that quiet at Garnerville. It could invite attention from the likes of JVB.

New Recruit · 12-08-2008 7:33pm

*Thing

It's strictly for comfort ok!

MrsGeneHunt · 12-08-2008 7:33pm

carlty888 wrote: »

If thongs are what gets you though....
Probably best to keep that quiet at Garnerville. It could invite attention from the likes of JVB.

Only if its pink and frilly. He likes sequins too.:P

Zzoop · 12-08-2008 7:35pm

Thongs are so last year.. It's all about lime green mankinis I hear.

carlty888 · 12-08-2008 7:40pm

Zzoop wrote: »

Thongs are so last year.. It's all about lime green mankinis I hear.

Now you're talkin'.

It's niiiiice!! Yakshimash!

MrsGeneHunt · 12-08-2008 7:43pm

carlty888 wrote: »

Now you're talkin'.

It's niiiiice!! Yakshimash!

Better watch the chit chat or we'll get wrists slapped.
Take it to the gals thread!;)

PSNI Recruitment - Stage 3 - Vetting

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