PSNI Recruitment - Stage 3 - Vetting

MrsGeneHunt · 29-07-2008 3:15pm

dvc1976 wrote: »

I figured it was like that, there must've been loads of really high scoring candidates last campaign 'cos my score at the AC last year was pretty high and I still didn't get!!!!:o

Define pretty high would ya?

carlty888 · 29-07-2008 3:26pm

Zzoop wrote: »

Good news for everybody then! I haven't got my vetting forms yet but got my pass letter - so based on the info of this board - that suggests I've got a low pass mark on the AC! - You can count on me to drag the average down!

"High Five"

You had me in stitches there with the "High Five".

Don't be taking the 'rumours and speculation' too seriously. The fact is, we really don't have a clue what's going on.

For all we know, the PSNI could be taking the piss and sending forms to people who don't stand a chance.

dvc1976 · 29-07-2008 3:27pm

without being too specific,;) somewhere in the 50's.
I dunno, maybe that's not pretty high??:D

MrsGeneHunt · 29-07-2008 3:28pm

carlty888 wrote: »

For all we know, the PSNI could be taking the piss and sending forms to people who don't stand a chance.

Oh yeah, cos that'll go down well with the finance commitee - we sent out Vetting forms for a joke!!!:D

MrsGeneHunt · 29-07-2008 3:29pm

dvc1976 wrote: »

without being too specific,;) somewhere in the 50's.
I dunno, maybe that's not pretty high??:D

High fifties - ie 57 upwards is generally considered to be a good score and stands you in good stead for a place in training, medical and vetting notwithstanding.

And believe me I have that on VERY good authority:p

Zzoop · 29-07-2008 3:30pm

Look, obviously my vetting forms are lost in the post.. or.. STOLEN!

Haha! Dail 999 - I'd like to report my stolen vetting forms.. yeah.. or you could just send me out a new set?.. yeah.. Thanks mister.

carlty888 · 29-07-2008 3:35pm

MrsGeneHunt wrote: »

Oh yeah, cos that'll go down well with the finance commitee - we sent out Vetting forms for a joke!!!:D

I only said that to highlight the fact that we really can't say for sure why forms go out to some and not to others.

You gotta admit though. It would be pretty funny. Sitting back watching us fret needlessly.

Zzoop · 29-07-2008 3:39pm

They send vetting forms first out to the people they think they're going to have the most trouble with. The one's that they think vetting will take AGES over - that's why they give them a head start.

..lol

MrsGeneHunt · 29-07-2008 3:41pm

Zzoop wrote: »

They send vetting forms first out to the people they think they're going to have the most trouble with. The one's that they think vetting will take AGES over - that's why they give them a head start.

..lol

Would you like my wooden spoon? I'm not using it at the moment....:D

Zzoop · 29-07-2008 3:43pm

Haha - I was only kidden!!!

carlty888 · 29-07-2008 3:58pm

Zzoop wrote: »

Look, obviously my vetting forms are lost in the post.. or.. STOLEN!

Haha! Dail 999 - I'd like to report my stolen vetting forms.. yeah.. or you could just send me out a new set?.. yeah.. Thanks mister.

If only that would work.

:D:D

MrFug · 29-07-2008 7:54pm

dvc1976 wrote: »

without being too specific,;) somewhere in the 50's.
I dunno, maybe that's not pretty high??:D

Hey I'd be gutted to have gotten a score in the fifties and a 'dear john'. Would I be correct in assuming your not from the RC background? It seems you fell foul of the 50:50 rule, although I'm no expert on how it all works. To be honest, It's cruel to be sidelined because your from (or not from as the case may be) a certain religious background. I'm a Catholic but I can't help but see the glaring injustices of the system.

Bah, anyway, congrats on passing the A/C and I hope you go all the way this time.

P.S That doesn't mean I wouldn't be delighted to gazump you this time myself lol :P :P

MrsGeneHunt · 29-07-2008 8:11pm

MrFug wrote: »

Hey I'd be gutted to have gotten a score in the fifties and a 'dear john'. Would I be correct in assuming your not from the RC background? It seems you fell foul of the 50:50 rule, although I'm no expert on how it all works. To be honest, It's cruel to be sidelined because your from (or not from as the case may be) a certain religious background. I'm a Catholic but I can't help but see the glaring injustices of the system.

Bah, anyway, congrats on passing the A/C and I hope you go all the way this time.

P.S That doesn't mean I wouldn't be delighted to gazump you this time myself lol :P :P

Good point MrFug - the 50/50 blows FOR EVERYONE!!

Instead of applying for one of 440 positions, automatically each background are applying for one of only 220 positions.

It is an unfair rule - its not about the best person for the job which it bl**dy well should be.

Yes being RC does give you a slight advantage, but even thats diminshing as the proportion of applicants evens up anyway.

I'm non RC BTW.

Thats my two pees worth

MrFug · 29-07-2008 8:27pm

MrsGeneHunt wrote: »

Good point MrFug - the 50/50 blows FOR EVERYONE!!

There she goes again talking about blowing everyone. tut tut.

:P :P

regtgunner · 29-07-2008 8:29pm

Yeah it's a shame that you can be suitable for the police and after passing the selection process, medical etc you then aren't offered a place. Over in England the process is alot easier and I dare say easier to get into your chosen force. As far as i'm aware, if you pass the selection process your in, no religion merit pools etc. I can see why the PSNI have the 50/50 rule as it's important to have a mixed balance so that everyone can respect the police. Only problem for us wannbe's is that this makes it alot hard to get in. There was an item on the news a week or so ago about the 50/50 rule. Some saying it was discrimination. But we all know before we apply how the selection is going to be run, so it's just a case of getting in the mix!

MrsGeneHunt · 29-07-2008 8:30pm

MrFug wrote: »

There she goes again talking about blowing everyone. tut tut.

:P :P

:eek:

Save the smut for the gals thread!!!

( And i am shocked and appalled at your low opinon of me!! :P )

carlty888 · 29-07-2008 10:30pm

regtgunner wrote: »

we all know before we apply how the selection is going to be run, so it's just a case of getting in the mix!

I totally agree. It can be extremely frustrating to watch people lower down the merit list get in ahead of you, but we all know the score before applying. The way I see it, there are two competitions running side-by-side, each with 220 places.

Zzoop · 29-07-2008 11:42pm

..So when and how do we find out our merit score?

(I'm new to the whole process, first timer etc etc)

carlty888 · 30-07-2008 12:40am

Zzoop wrote: »

..So when and how do we find out our merit score?

(I'm new to the whole process, first timer etc etc)

You'll get your merit score by ringing PSNI recruitment. The list obviously isn't complete yet as the a/c's are ongoing, but it should be ready once everyone has received their a/c pass/fail letters. Probably sometime in mid-late September.

Gee-22 · 30-07-2008 2:45am

Zzoop wrote: »

Look, obviously my vetting forms are lost in the post.. or.. STOLEN!

Haha! Dail 999 - I'd like to report my stolen vetting forms.. yeah.. or you could just send me out a new set?.. yeah.. Thanks mister.

Yeah i think my vetting forms have been stolen aswell as you.

Seven weeks after doing the a/c and passing them, still no sign of vetting forms......:(

MrFug · 30-07-2008 2:21pm

Guys, sent my vetting forms away today. Well, I left them with someone to send while I was at work. Anyway, it was sent with 3 first class stamps (despite me asking for special delivery). So I'd need to phone recruitment next week to verify that they received it. Has anyone had to do this before? Also, can someone be so kind as to give me the number provided on the vetting forms. I never thought to take note.

Many Thanks

owen1976 · 30-07-2008 2:24pm

Don't know if this is the number on the forms but it will get you through to vetting, its 02890650222 ask for ex 24276

Zzoop · 30-07-2008 4:03pm

All this joking talk about stolen / lost in the post vetting forms has got me thinking.

What if someones forms really do get lost in the post? So.. they don't fill them in and send them away etc - how do the recruitment department know the difference between the poor candidate who's eagerly awaiting their vetting forms and the candidate that decided.. "Ahh.. I'm not gonna bother filling the vetting forms in.. don't want to join the police anymore.."?? - And send Dear John letters out to both?

Does that make sence no?

Would the Police phone you up and say.. "Oi.. we sent you out vetting forms but you havent got them filled in, did you recieve them Ok? - or would you like another set..?"

Or would they simply say, "Ahh.. whether they got them or not, doesn't matter - they're out of time now anyway - Dear John letter it is."

Please reassure me that there's some sort of back-up plan in the event of these wee senarios.

I suppose the candidate could phone up recruitment and ask couldn't they?...Or what?

goodcopbadcop · 30-07-2008 4:05pm

The sensible thing to do is to post it with recorded delivery to make sure they get it.

Zzoop · 30-07-2008 4:10pm

goodcopbadcop wrote: »

The sensible thing to do is to post it with recorded delivery to make sure they get it.

No, I'm talking about when they send the vetting forms to you.

goodcopbadcop · 30-07-2008 4:12pm

I dont know what would happen. I dont think that would happen very often if at all, post is usually reliable. If it did happen and you had no vetting after your ac for a long time then you could call. I dont think anyone will have vetting forms going missing to be honest though.

Zzoop · 30-07-2008 4:17pm

goodcopbadcop wrote: »

I dont know what would happen. I dont think that would happen very often if at all, post is usually reliable. If it did happen and you had no vetting after your ac for a long time then you could call. I dont think anyone will have vetting forms going missing to be honest though.

Yes I know it's very unlikely, what I'm saying is - say the person doesn't do anything about it and thinks to themselves, "I'm going to patiently wait for these forms" (But they got lost in the post) - Will the police think that they havent bothered filling them in, and so therefore, thinks they want out of the running for the campaign - and sends them out a Dear John letter? Or do they have a back up plan agaisnt this?

Zzoop · 30-07-2008 4:18pm

(Sorry I know it's a daft idea - but I'm sure other people freak out about these kind of ideas too haha)

goodcopbadcop · 30-07-2008 4:19pm

Im sure if they dont get them within the 3 week return period they might call or send a letter to see if the person has got them.

It wont happen though. I had to wait 6 months to get vetting forms and it never once crossed my mind about them going missing, just waited and they came eventually.

Zzoop · 30-07-2008 4:23pm

Ah yes, Ofcourse! "The 3 week return period"

That's it then. If they haven't recieved word back from you within those 3 weeks I'm sure they would send out a letter or something.

Sorted!

MrsGeneHunt · 30-07-2008 4:23pm

Zzoop wrote: »

Ah yes, Ofcourse! "The 3 week return period"

That's it then. If they haven't recieved word back from you within those 3 weeks I'm sure they would send out a letter or something.

Sorted!

Is it not two weeks?

goodcopbadcop · 30-07-2008 4:24pm

yeah you have to send it back within three weeks or else if may result in your application being stopped.

goodcopbadcop · 30-07-2008 4:25pm

could be two weeks I cant remember, its something like that. Most people send it back within hours though

Zzoop · 30-07-2008 4:28pm

..Well, 2 weeks then.

Problem solved anyway. I'm a freak-out king.

goodcopbadcop · 30-07-2008 4:29pm

Zzoop wrote: »

..Well, 2 weeks then.

Problem solved anyway. I'm a freak-out king.

Waiting to join the police will torture you then

Zzoop · 30-07-2008 4:30pm

goodcopbadcop wrote: »

Waiting to join the police will torture you then

Haha - yeah - the amount of crazy things that go through your head. Eh?

FootyFan24 · 31-07-2008 2:42pm

Hey guys, just wondering, do we have to wait for the A/C full results to come through in september to find out what score we got?

MrsGeneHunt · 31-07-2008 3:00pm

FootyFan24 wrote: »

Hey guys, just wondering, do we have to wait for the A/C full results to come through in september to find out what score we got?

Think its October before scores are sent out but we should know merit pool by end of Sept:eek:

FootyFan24 · 31-07-2008 3:09pm

Excellent. Totally bricking the vetting though. Mate of mine got the call on Monday for a Sept start in Garnerville. But that was from last years application. Can't believe it takes so long!

--thepirate-- · 01-08-2008 4:51pm

Hi all:)

Feeling a bit dull and gloomy today.Just been reading through most of this vetting section.It seems ill never pass vetting.I had a rough period in my life three years back(my father died)and my life went into chaos for some time.I ended up leaving my job and as a knock on effect have unpaid loans .So now ill have bad credit history and such so can forget about the dream.This feels so s**t

MrsGeneHunt · 01-08-2008 6:40pm

--thepirate-- wrote: »

Hi all:)

Feeling a bit dull and gloomy today.Just been reading through most of this vetting section.It seems ill never pass vetting.I had a rough period in my life three years back(my father died)and my life went into chaos for some time.I ended up leaving my job and as a knock on effect have unpaid loans .So now ill have bad credit history and such so can forget about the dream.This feels so s**t

go to www.creditexpert.co.uk and order a copy of your credit score/report online.

Bad credit rating may not affect your chances if you are actively being seen to repay or your rating may not be as bad as you think.

However if you do fail vetting then ask why and then you'll know but try not to worry in the meantime.

--thepirate-- · 01-08-2008 7:38pm

thanks mrsgenehunt:)

I still think I done for.I have these loans nows a few years and have missed repayments more times than a duck has been in water:Dcud make a mad burst at repaying them now but dont reckon it would have any affect really.So what am I to do.I personally think its irrelavant a persons financial situation.What are they looking for???Alter boys to grace the Police service?Like I said before,the 1st recruitment process should be a rigorus fitness test..The streets are awash with enough over-weight cops.Its not the image the public need.Like I look at some of the guys I train in the gym with and let me tell you if they were police officers you wouldnt mess with them but when its porky pig eating his dognut and washing it down with 'coke zero',come on its time to get these slobs off the streets.Fair enough if they have the jobs in the offices.And dont get me wrong,im not discriminating,its just really,is the standard this bad?Is this the best we can get to protect and serve us?Quiet franky I look at some of the police and I rather not have to depend on them.This is just my opinion,but what do I know.

MrsGeneHunt · 01-08-2008 7:55pm

--thepirate-- wrote: »

thanks mrsgenehunt:)

I still think I done for.I have these loans nows a few years and have missed repayments more times than a duck has been in water:Dcud make a mad burst at repaying them now but dont reckon it would have any affect really.So what am I to do.I personally think its irrelavant a persons financial situation.What are they looking for???Alter boys to grace the Police service?Like I said before,the 1st recruitment process should be a rigorus fitness test..The streets are awash with enough over-weight cops.Its not the image the public need.Like I look at some of the guys I train in the gym with and let me tell you if they were police officers you wouldnt mess with them but when its porky pig eating his dognut and washing it down with 'coke zero',come on its time to get these slobs off the streets.Fair enough if they have the jobs in the offices.And dont get me wrong,im not discriminating,its just really,is the standard this bad?Is this the best we can get to protect and serve us?Quiet franky I look at some of the police and I rather not have to depend on them.This is just my opinion,but what do I know.

Right, the reason credit check is run is that theoritically, someone with a lot of debt or money worries, could, and again I stress IN THEORY, be more open to bribes and that sort of stuff etc etc

As a police officer you have to be of the utmost moral integrity - for example, if you pulled over a car and the driver was not only drunk but a friend of yours......
The way I see it, you wear the uniform and you are a Police Officer first and foremost, and have to carry our the duties required, and yes, even if this means you have to bust your friends.

As for the whole fitness thing, appearances can be deceptive. My ex is very overweight but still fit.

But you're entitled to your opinion, as are we all.:D

alanbelfast · 01-08-2008 7:59pm

--thepirate-- wrote: »

thanks mrsgenehunt:)

I still think I done for.I have these loans nows a few years and have missed repayments more times than a duck has been in water:Dcud make a mad burst at repaying them now but dont reckon it would have any affect really.So what am I to do.I personally think its irrelavant a persons financial situation.What are they looking for???Alter boys to grace the Police service?Like I said before,the 1st recruitment process should be a rigorus fitness test..The streets are awash with enough over-weight cops.Its not the image the public need.Like I look at some of the guys I train in the gym with and let me tell you if they were police officers you wouldnt mess with them but when its porky pig eating his dognut and washing it down with 'coke zero',come on its time to get these slobs off the streets.Fair enough if they have the jobs in the offices.And dont get me wrong,im not discriminating,its just really,is the standard this bad?Is this the best we can get to protect and serve us?Quiet franky I look at some of the police and I rather not have to depend on them.This is just my opinion,but what do I know.

I think that type of attitude is very wrong.
Does being buff and hard looking mean you will be a good officer? Being a police officer involves a lot more than looking big and strong. Some of the best detectives are of small stature and maybe classed as overweight. A mate of mine is very overweight and he can out run me(not in speed) but he can run 9 miles non stop which is something I can only dream off.

Plus one of the qualities for a police officer is respect for diversity.......which you have not demonstrated to well here.

Alan

--thepirate-- · 01-08-2008 8:25pm

I by no means what to cause an argument.That is not why I expressed my opinion.I mean that,of course respect for diversity is a major quality any police officer can have.But many overweight peolple may have this and many other qualities but does that mean they can be police officers?I can run all day and also sprint and indeed have great soccer skills.Does that mean I can be a soccer player if I am overweight?As I said I am by no means discriminating anyone in any way.I myself was overweight and had to hit the gym and have so for the past 2 years.So often nowadays a blind eye is turned.To the society we live in,just look at our children,the next generation.No emphasis is placed on exercise,the eat what the want when they want.Im just say and do 100% agree with alanbefast that some of our best police men and women are small and overweight.But why not get a regime together to tackle this situation.I understand but may not be correct in the matter,that once you enter the police force you never have to endure a fitness test again??I s this true??
I had a friend of mine,a few months back,and this was on the radio.He was walking home one night up O'Connell street and two youths ran past him slashing him with a blade.Two Gardai were only 20-30 metres away when the youths legged it..They didnt even try to chase them???
For me that is where I want my tax money going.Where I want to feel safe.If those two youths had been aprehended then it would lessen the chances of this incident repeating itself.I myself wouldnt walk the streets of dublin at night and I feel for the gardai that do because the scum of this city know the likes that patrol the area.

jim2008 · 01-08-2008 9:40pm

alanbelfast wrote: »

I think that type of attitude is very wrong.
Does being buff and hard looking mean you will be a good officer? Being a police officer involves a lot more than looking big and strong. Some of the best detectives are of small stature and maybe classed as overweight. A mate of mine is very overweight and he can out run me(not in speed) but he can run 9 miles non stop which is something I can only dream off.

Plus one of the qualities for a police officer is respect for diversity.......which you have not demonstrated to well here.

Alan

Alan i do agree with you but he does have a point, i know i would prefer a strong fit officer with me at 3am on a sat night when trying to arrest some scum bag off his head on drugs who has just stabbed someone. I believe it is so important for an officer to mantain and improve fitness levels from training, i also find it hard to believe that regular fitness assessments are not carried out during an officers career. What is the point off the fitness training carried out in the first six months if this is not continued? Your friend may be able to run for 9 miles but this would never be required during an officers duty it would more than likely to be sprints and running short distance at a quick pace, so better off keeping body fat down and fitness levels up.

Gee-22 · 02-08-2008 1:42am

jim2008 wrote: »

Alan i do agree with you but he does have a point, i know i would prefer a strong fit officer with me at 3am on a sat night when trying to arrest some scum bag off his head on drugs who has just stabbed someone. I believe it is so important for an officer to mantain and improve fitness levels from training, i also find it hard to believe that regular fitness assessments are not carried out during an officers career. What is the point off the fitness training carried out in the first six months if this is not continued? Your friend may be able to run for 9 miles but this would never be required during an officers duty it would more than likely to be sprints and running short distance at a quick pace, so better off keeping body fat down and fitness levels up.

Why do you need to be built like a sh1t brick house to be a police officer??........ when you have a couple of other officers at your side, a hand gun in one hand and a batton in the other hand!:mad:

Lol

All joking aside, just because some one is 6ft 7" does not make them a better cop. If some one is drunk or off their head on drugs they wont care what size you are. Its all about how you use your head to deal with the situation........

jim2008 · 02-08-2008 9:20am

Gee-22 wrote: »

Why do you need to be built like a sh1t brick house to be a police officer??........ when you have a couple of other officers at your side, a hand gun in one hand and a batton in the other hand!:mad:

Lol

All joking aside, just because some one is 6ft 7" does not make them a better cop. If some one is drunk or off their head on drugs they wont care what size you are. Its all about how you use your head to deal with the situation........

Did i say build like a brick **** house?? I said fit and strong, someone who looks after themselves. And you might not have a couple of officers by your side might just be the two of you. Also someone who is drunk or off their head wont care what size you are thats my point, so its at times like this when you need a strong officer beside you. Dont think it would look to good Gee if you started hitting someone with a batton cause he/she was drunk and you could not control them. I agree that a good police officer should be able you use his/her head and deal with a situation but there will be many times over a police officers duty when force has to be used. So better to be fit.

carlty888 · 02-08-2008 9:42am

Gee-22 wrote: »

just because some one is 6ft 7" does not make them a better cop. If some one is drunk or off their head on drugs they wont care what size you are. Its all about how you use your head to deal with the situation........

Some of you guys watch too much tv. This job isn't just about taking down "the bad guys"! One of the most important roles of the police officer is being able to communicate (both talking and listening).

I'm tall and in good shape, but I really don't think that is gonna help when it comes to the job.

The days of "you're big, you have what it takes to be a great policeman" are over.

jim2008 · 02-08-2008 10:23am

carlty888 wrote: »

Some of you guys watch too much tv. This job isn't just about taking down "the bad guys"! One of the most important roles of the police officer is being able to communicate (both talking and listening).

I'm tall and in good shape, but I really don't think that is gonna help when it comes to the job.

The days of "you're big, you have what it takes to be a great policeman" are over.

Being able to communicate is the most important part of being a police officer. But this will not work every single time and any one who think it will should rethink their career choice. Of course being in good shape will help you for your job as a police officer, the benefits of good health is endless, better energy levels for a start and how will this not help you as an officer carlty??? Also being in good shape will really help when trying to arrest someone aggressive when talking will no longer work.

PSNI Recruitment - Stage 3 - Vetting

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