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M6 - Kilbeggan to Athlone

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  • #352
    veryangryman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,600 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    serfboard wrote: »
    I don't agree. I see three reasons for celebration.

    1) The citizens of Kilbeggan (Horseleap) and Moate will certainly be thankful.

    2) As will the motorists passing through, particularly at busy times.

    3) For this particular section, in joining Kinnegad-Kilbeggan to the Athlone bypass we now have a motorway/DC going all the way from Dublin to the West. Given where we've come from, and despite all the allegations of waste and delay, I still think that's something to be proud of.

    You should be a marketing manager! I'm more of a Roy Keane sort who expects better. We have come far indeed, but we could have gone much further at this stage. Circa 2006, all this should have been built. As it is, were looking at 4+ years before Galway is reached by Motorway.

    In summary, the government have wasted countless hours of my life in Moate traffic, and i want them back! :mad:


  • #353
    120_Minutes
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    dmeehan wrote: »
    Is this new section going to be (just) a Dual Carriageway or a Motorway?
    On the radio this morning different people were calling it different things???


    its a motorway with a temporary 100kmh speed limit. that didnt stop me (or everyone else) doing 120 on my way home. ballymahon road entrance to clara exit in ten minutes baby!


  • #354
    [Deleted User]
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    120_Minutes wrote: »
    ballymahon road entrance to clara exit in ten minutes baby!

    How long would that have taken you before?


  • #355
    murphaph
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    veryangryman wrote: »
    You should be a marketing manager! I'm more of a Roy Keane sort who expects better. We have come far indeed, but we could have gone much further at this stage. Circa 2006, all this should have been built. As it is, were looking at 4+ years before Galway is reached by Motorway.
    +1.Years of waste and bloody 'benchmarking' have seen a great opportunity to really rapidly catch up and overtake our neighbours completely squandered by a lame duck 'government' too afriad to make bold decisions.


  • #356
    [Deleted User]
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    murphaph wrote: »
    +1.Years of waste and bloody 'benchmarking' have seen a great opportunity to really rapidly catch up and overtake our neighbours completely squandered by a lame duck 'government' too afriad to make bold decisions.

    I'd just be content with "catching up", A decent transport system between all the major areas of population isn't too much to ask!


  • #357
    Tea drinker
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    It's good news allright... and unlike everyone else I stuck to 100km/h... but then I see guards everywhere ATM.

    Who wants to go in with me and open a decent service station on the road now????


  • #358
    veryangryman
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    Tea drinker wrote: »
    It's good news allright... and unlike everyone else I stuck to 100km/h... but then I see guards everywhere ATM.

    Who wants to go in with me and open a decent service station on the road now????

    Moate will have that id say at that seemingly useless roundabout by the east exit. But for the moment, what harm is it taking the 30 second drop off to the excellent Kilmartins in Athlone?


  • #359
    [Deleted User]
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    veryangryman wrote: »
    Moate will have that id say at that seemingly useless roundabout by the east exit. But for the moment, what harm is it taking the 30 second drop off to the excellent Kilmartins in Athlone?

    Or the Tullamore road in Kilbeggan, if you are going west there are a couple of service stations on the western side of Athlone all within a minute or so of the N6


  • #360
    icdg
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    veryangryman wrote: »
    DC at the moment. More than likely upgraded to Mway in time

    Like the Carlow Bypass, its got motorway road markings (continous yellow hard shoulder) and blue signs (with the all important letter "M"), but until it has a motorway reclassification order confirming its status, speed limit is 100 km/h and motorway regulations are legally unenforcable (so yeah, you can park, do under 50 kph and drive with a L plate if you want to).

    What is holding up motorway reclassification! Process has been going on over eight months now!


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  • #361
    Tea drinker
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    veryangryman wrote: »
    Moate will have that id say at that seemingly useless roundabout by the east exit. But for the moment, what harm is it taking the 30 second drop off to the excellent Kilmartins in Athlone?
    *cough* do you work for them or what??? ;)
    It's more than 30 seconds, and parking and petrol service area is quite limited. That area is fine but I think there is a need for a good fast service area on the DC, and I'm pretty sure a lot of people will stop if it's near Athlone......1/2 way to Galway and all that. Besides if people see it the tempation is there to stop.


  • #362
    veryangryman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,600 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Ha perish the thought! They are quite expensive for some stuff but no worse than any typical Motorway Station. Loads of choice for food, sandwiches/rolls in Centra, Pizza n Dominoes, Rolls in Subway, or the Hotel for a nice dinner

    Ha i wish i worked there now - imagine the commission money id have now!!:D


  • #363
    Amtmann
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    icdg wrote: »
    Like the Carlow Bypass, its got motorway road markings (continous yellow hard shoulder) and blue signs (with the all important letter "M"), but until it has a motorway reclassification order confirming its status, speed limit is 100 km/h and motorway regulations are legally unenforcable (so yeah, you can park, do under 50 kph and drive with a L plate if you want to).

    What is holding up motorway reclassification! Process has been going on over eight months now!


    I rang the Department of Transport a few weeks ago and asked just that.
    Timescale is thus:

    1) NRA applies to Minister for redesignation

    2) Minister invited submissions, to be submitted by late March 2008, from the public on proposals

    3) NRA was given a chance to address any nimby concerns in April

    4) May-June the nimbys were given a second chance to contradict the NRA and slow up the process. Many nimby objections were again received. So Dempsey has to review them all again, and this takes time, apparently.

    It's ridiculous.

    However, all local authorities expect to redesignate the HQDCs as motorway before the end of the year.


  • #364
    120_Minutes
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    How long would that have taken you before?

    depends. i'm usually lucky. 20-30 mins on a good day maybe?


  • #365
    billbond4
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    Well the Garda Traffic corps in Athlone were out shooting fish in a barrel at lunch time today with their traffic camera on the Athlone bypass.
    They will probably be lurking around the new road at the weekend to try and find a nice hiding spot :-)


  • #366
    serfboard
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    At long last it's opened! Was on it myself last night - lads 'tis fantastic.

    Sticking to the existing speed limits I was interested to see how far I'd get in an hour. From the western end of the Athlone bypass observing the speed limits (100kph Athlone-Kinnegad, 120kph afterwards) I got to between Maynooth and the Celbridge Interchange.

    FWIW, there was a Garda car on one of the bridges, but I couldn't say for certain if they had the hairdryers with them or not. There were a lot of roadspotters on various overpasses as well.


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  • #367
    billbond4
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    I see they have decreased the speed limit on the old "N6" to 80kph.
    I dont see any valid reason for that, but the guards will have a field day if they ever go on the road with their hairdryers.


  • #368
    pgbuachain
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    Just under 300km of dual carriageway linking Dublin with Cork, Limerick and Galway has been redesignated motorway.

    In the irish Times online today - http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2008/0718/1216330999777.html

    The alteration will produce an almost continuous motorway linking Athlone to Dublin as the Kinnegad to Athlone route is among those reclassified.

    The 40km stretch connecting Cashel to Mitchelstown - which is due to open next Friday - will extend the length of motorway on the main Dublin to Cork route.

    In total, 10 sections of road stretching 292km are affected, four of which (125km) will be open to traffic on September 24th when the changes come into force.

    The remainder are under construction. All inter-urban routes are due to be completed by 2010.

    The main differences between a a dual carriageway and a motorway, aside from the speed limit, are that learner drivers, vehicles with a speed of less than 50km/h and motorcycles of less than 50cc are barred from using the latter.


  • #369
    Occidental
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    I'm told that the Athlone bypass will remain at 100kmh, even after the Kilbeggan section is reclassified to 120. Reasons given are short distances between exits and sliproads which do not meet motorway standards(Roscommon Road junction I'd imagine).

    It'll be interesting to watch the change in traffic patterns on the Mullingar-Ballymahon and Mullingar-Ballymore-Athlone roads over the next few weeks. These have been used as alternates by people for a number of years. I've always been amazed at the amount of G plates passing through Ballymore on a bank holiday Friday.


  • #370
    Fozzie Bear
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    pgbuachain wrote: »
    Just under 300km of dual carriageway linking Dublin with Cork, Limerick and Galway has been redesignated motorway

    Does that take effect immediately or will they be fannying around for a few more months replacing green signs with blue etc before it's fully implemented???


  • #371
    caster
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    Occidental wrote: »
    I'm told that the Athlone bypass will remain at 100kmh, even after the Kilbeggan section is reclassified to 120. Reasons given are short distances between exits and sliproads which do not meet motorway standards(Roscommon Road junction I'd imagine).

    Does this mean that the Athlone Bypass will remain designated as 'N' ? Pity if the rest of the route is officially designated as motorway ....


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  • #372
    Climate Expert
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    Its good news but this stuff should have been in place in the 1990s.
    Too many people have endured bad roads, delays and misery for too long and that cost should not be forgotten.


  • #373
    Irish and Proud
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    Fozzie Bear wrote: »
    Does that take effect immediately or will they be fannying around for a few more months replacing green signs with blue etc before it's fully implemented???

    ...to take effect from September 24th! I guess that all modifications (including signage replacement) will have to be completed by then.

    Hope this helps!


  • #374
    Occidental
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    caster wrote: »
    Does this mean that the Athlone Bypass will remain designated as 'N' ? Pity if the rest of the route is officially designated as motorway ....

    I'd imagine it will stay as the N6. In fairness 100kmh is plenty fast enough for this stretch as you tend to get a lot of local traffic pottering on and off. It would also mean all non-motorway traffic would have to go via the town bridge, which is already carnage at the best of times.


  • #375
    tubos
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    Occidental wrote: »
    I'd imagine it will stay as the N6. In fairness 100kmh is plenty fast enough for this stretch as you tend to get a lot of local traffic pottering on and off. It would also mean all non-motorway traffic would have to go via the town bridge, which is already carnage at the best of times.


    Agree, it is really useful as a relief road/bypass. It is used by local traffic as much as passing traffic. I wonder though if it will always be 100km/h, even when the road extends all the way to Galway.


  • #376
    serfboard
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    Just want to say thanks to dolanbaker, blast05 and everyone else who kept us updated on progress on the new road.

    Lads, ye were like expectant fathers waiting outside the delivery suite :D

    Safe driving to everyone.


  • #377
    Boots09
    Closed Accounts Posts: 110 ✭✭Boots09


    Anyone using the m6 between moate and kinnegad today i passed on it at about 3 or so and there was a black land cruiser 07 d reg parked under one of the bridges with blacked out windows looked suspiciouly like a speed trap. Anyone else see it?


  • #378
    PixelTrawler
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    billbond4 wrote: »
    I see they have decreased the speed limit on the old "N6" to 80kph.
    I dont see any valid reason for that, but the guards will have a field day if they ever go on the road with their hairdryers.

    Agreed, this is absolutely senseless, has the road suddenly become more dangerous overnight? (now it will have far less traffic)


  • #379
    [Deleted User]
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    Solyad wrote: »
    Agreed, this is absolutely senseless, has the road suddenly become more dangerous overnight? (now it will have far less traffic)


    :rolleyes: A classic case of bureaucracy over common sense :rolleyes: ( rolleyes, well deserved here)


  • #380
    donvito99
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    There are plans to upgrade "windowdress" most of the new dual carriageways to motorways, they are already built to motorway standards.

    There is a thread here
    don't the national primary dual carriageways have little t-junctions and hatch crossings on them. wouldn't it be to dangerous to allow cars to go at 120k on these roads. you would have to reconfigure dem a good bit aswell, which would be costly.


  • #381
    [Deleted User]
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    donvito99 wrote: »
    don't the national primary dual carriageways have little t-junctions and hatch crossings on them. wouldn't it be to dangerous to allow cars to go at 120k on these roads. you would have to reconfigure dem a good bit aswell, which would be costly.


    That's true of "ordinary" dual carriageways, but the so called HQDC's were built to a standard that was similar to motorways except for laybys and being slightly narrower, but I believe that they have the same design speed as motorways.

    Sections of dual carriageway like the N4 between Mullingar & Kinnegad will remain as 100kmh dual carriageway for precisly the reasons you have highlighted. Also the N6 past Athlone won't be upgraded either, but this is because there is no real alternative route for prohibited traffic as well as the large number of junctions in a short distance.


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  • #382
    icdg
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    tubos wrote: »
    Agree, it is really useful as a relief road/bypass. It is used by local traffic as much as passing traffic. I wonder though if it will always be 100km/h, even when the road extends all the way to Galway.

    I imagine it will be upgraded at some point, particularly if at some future date Athlone-Galway is reclassified. But its not a priority of any sort. Its not simply a matter of reclassifying as its not full motorway standard and the junctions will need to be improved. I'd also imagine it would remain at 100km/h as indeed both the Cashel and Nenagh bypasses will be (and, dare I mention it, the M50).

    Ballinasloe-Galway is almost certain to have motorway regulations, if only, becuase its a toll road. While toll roads do not need to be motorway (cf both the Jack Lynch Tunnel and the East-Link) not making it motorway runs the risk (not relevant with both roads I mentioned for obvious reasons) that someone will apply for and perhaps even get premission for an access that might turn into a way of avoiding the toll. Its a long shot but could in theory happen...


  • #383
    marmurr1916
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    There's no toll for the Jack Lynch (aka Lee) Tunnel...thank God - it'd be a traffic nightmare if there was.


  • #384
    icdg
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    marmurr1916 wrote: »
    There's no toll for the Jack Lynch (aka Lee) Tunnel...thank God - it'd be a traffic nightmare if there was.

    Had forgotten that!!! The East Link is the only example I can cite so, I was probably thinking the Dublin Port Tunnel, but that's motorway.


  • #385
    D.L.R.
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    icdg wrote: »
    Had forgotten that!!! The East Link is the only example I can cite so, I was probably thinking the Dublin Port Tunnel, but that's motorway.

    East Link is the only non-motorway toll in the state afaik. But the toll issue alone isn't reason enough for Ballinasloe-Galway to become a motorway.

    The main thing is that it gets a 120 limit, N or M. Its a long road and the extra 20 would go a long way. 100 is fine as a stopgap measure for the soon-to-be- motorways, but if B'sloe-Galway is to be N for some years then a special limit is in order.


  • #386
    Berti Vogts
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    :rolleyes: A classic case of bureaucracy over common sense :rolleyes: ( rolleyes, well deserved here)

    I completely agree. This happened on the stretch from Enfield to Maynooth as well. It's outrageous. How are people supposed to respect speed limits when so many of them are completely nonsensical?

    Having said that, I think I heard of a court case recently where some guy was charged of exceeding 80kms on a similar stretch in Cork but the judge threw the case out because regulations hadn't been complied with. Anyone know anything more about this?


  • #387
    Tea drinker
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    serfboard wrote: »
    Just want to say thanks to dolanbaker, blast05 and everyone else who kept us updated on progress on the new road.

    Lads, ye were like expectant fathers waiting outside the delivery suite :D

    Safe driving to everyone.
    Same from me! Glad to be kept informed and was there for first day of opening.

    I am enjoying driving this road..... I managed to "arrange" my work so I would be driving it lately!

    It's a very nice drive... especially for a culchie like me, I love looking at rolling fields.. just have to keep eyes on road. ;)


  • #388
    Pittabang
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    and a big thanks from me too ! My son was actually born on 8th July so I know exactly how an expectant father feels. I was kind of hoping the road would be open before he had arrived bt alas he got here first.

    Now when will the Newcastle road junction on the N4 be completed.........off to a new thread...... laters.


  • #389
    [Deleted User]
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    Pittabang wrote: »
    and a big thanks from me too ! My son was actually born on 8th July so I know exactly how an expectant father feels. I was kind of hoping the road would be open before he had arrived bt alas he got here first.

    Now when will the Newcastle road junction on the N4 be completed.........off to a new thread...... laters.

    Congratulations!

    I used the new road for the first time in tuesday morning (shift pattern) was surprised just how much traffic there was on this section relative to the Kinnegad - Kilbeggan road.

    The Athlone bypass now looks really grotty in comparison.

    The Newcastle junction, I believe is due to be finished spring next year.
    They are pressing along quite well on it!


  • #390
    rekrow
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    Deleted User wrote: »

    I used the new road for the first time in tuesday morning (shift pattern) was surprised just how much traffic there was on this section relative to the Kinnegad - Kilbeggan road.

    I always wondered why they did the Kilbeggan-Kinnegad section first. Even before that road was open Moate was always the worst stretch bottleneck on the road and the obvious spot to bypass first!


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  • #391
    Victor
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    rekrow wrote: »
    I always wondered why they did the Kilbeggan-Kinnegad section first.
    To benefit Offaly voters.


  • #392
    [Deleted User]
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    Victor wrote: »
    To benefit Offaly voters.

    & Dublin commuters.


    It highlights just how important Athlone is as a regional centre.

    edit: It's also easy to forget just how awfull that old road between Kinnegad and Tyrollspass actually was*!


    *narrow, windy, no real overtaking places & 80kmh speed limit!


  • #393
    veryangryman
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    Check out the wikipedia page about the N6. They stupidly have put junction numbers incorrectly

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N6_road#Junctions

    What is wrong is the Athlone sections numbers. Athlone numbers (in reality) go from 1-6 from Junction 1 for Monksland up to Junction 6 for Birr/Kilmartins.

    Unless there is a solid plan to upgrade the DC in Athlone. Which last i checked there isnt.


  • #394
    [Deleted User]
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    veryangryman wrote: »
    Check out the wikipedia page about the N6. They stupidly have put junction numbers incorrectly

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N6_road#Junctions

    What is wrong is the Athlone sections numbers. Athlone numbers (in reality) go from 1-6 from Junction 1 for Monksland up to Junction 6 for Birr/Kilmartins.

    Unless there is a solid plan to upgrade the DC in Athlone. Which last i checked there isnt.

    It's much better to have one numbering scheme for the entire N/M6 Dublin - Galway, rather than switching between schemes.

    It could confuse the hell out of visitors etc.


  • #395
    veryangryman
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    As opposed to having conflicting information with whats on the signs at the moment?

    Yeah they need to update the signs etc, but no point puttign numbers on wiki that dont exist. I hate it when maps/directions dont reflect the roadsigns and vice versa

    Another example...Does anyone ever travel Athlone-Naas via Tullamore? Silly AA tells you to travel to Emo before getting onto the M7 as opposed to going to Monasterevin and then getting on saving countless miles

    Yes im going well off topic... But im in a rebellious mood today! :pac::D


  • #396
    [Deleted User]
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    veryangryman wrote: »
    As opposed to having conflicting information with whats on the signs at the moment?

    On the subject of signs, I noticed that the "M6" starts just before the kilmartins junction eastbound.
    If strictly policed, prohibited traffic would have to use the hard shoulder for the last 100metres or so :rolleyes:


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  • #397
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    Journey timings before & after opening the new road

    Before @06:10 18.7 miles 20 minutes
    After @06:20 17.9 miles 15 minutes

    It's only five minutes at that time of the morning (no traffic!), but so much easier to drive.

    I'm sure some people have saves almost an hour during busy times. :)


  • #398
    Irish and Proud
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    On the subject of signs, I noticed that the "M6" starts just before the kilmartins junction eastbound.
    If strictly policed, prohibited traffic would have to use the hard shoulder for the last 100metres or so :rolleyes:

    I wonder if they're going to place the first part of the Athlone By-pass (to the first original interchange from the Dublin direction) under motorway regulations?

    Will just have to wait and see!

    Regards!


  • #399
    kaizersoze
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    On the subject of signs, I noticed that the "M6" starts just before the kilmartins junction eastbound.
    If strictly policed, prohibited traffic would have to use the hard shoulder for the last 100metres or so :rolleyes:

    All road signs are positioned 100m before what they are indicating, aren't they?
    Meaning if the sign is 100m before the junction then the motorway starts at the junction?


  • #400
    [Deleted User]
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    Irish and Proud wrote: »
    I wonder if they're going to place the first part of the Athlone By-pass (to the first original interchange from the Dublin direction) under motorway regulations?

    Will just have to wait and see!

    Regards!


    I would say no, because there is local access to farm land off the roundabout.


  • #401
    [Deleted User]
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    kaizersoze wrote: »
    All road signs are positioned 100m before what they are indicating, aren't they?
    Meaning if the sign is 100m before the junction then the motorway starts at the junction?

    :confused: Where this sign is positioned it could also indicate that the slip road is also part of the motorway, it's a cockup!


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