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30 years prison in Cork cocaine trial!!

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  • #32
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    bubthatub wrote: »
    Thats the number one rule you have to remember when smuggling put the right fuel into the engine. :D
    They should have also been fined e3000 each on top of their sentences for attempting to use using green diesel. :D


  • #33
    dodgyme
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,581 ✭✭✭dodgyme


    Its sink or swim in prison although I'd say they'ill sail through it


  • #34
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Perry Wharrie, 48 was already sentenced for life in 1989 in the UK for the murder of a cop and was released early, he was still wanted by the UK authorities but did a bunk over here, He should be deported right back to the UK authorities instead of wasting Irish tax payers money for the next 30 years.


  • #35
    marti101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 954 ✭✭✭marti101


    I think the reason John Gilligan got 27 years for hash was they couldnt get him on other crimes so for the one crime they can get him on they give him a whopper of a sentence


  • #36
    Plug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭Plug


    is_that_so wrote: »
    30 years each for Perry Wharrie and Martin Wanden and 25 years for Joe Daly. Just reported on RTE News a few mins ago.
    I think they got too much IMO, theres lads inside who got less for murder and rape. I say leave the 2 boys out after 15 years and Perry Wharrie, let him rott since he killed a police man.


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  • #37
    Flamed Diving
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,609 ✭✭✭Flamed Diving


    Wasn't there a guy a while back who was given a suspended sentence for something similar?


  • #38
    askU
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭askU


    DubArk wrote: »
    Good im delighted.

    Why. the price of coke is costing ne a fortune!! Its apart of the scene now. its not on!!!!!!


  • #39
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,687 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Perry Wharrie, 48 was already sentenced for life in 1989 in the UK for the murder of a cop and was released early, he was still wanted by the UK authorities but did a bunk over here, He should be deported right back to the UK authorities instead of wasting Irish tax payers money for the next 30 years.

    Lesson there for the British authorities on the subject of early releases


  • #40
    Tha Gopher
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Tha Gopher


    Great to see one of the red tops with a screaming headline that the Colombians have a contract out as they are owed 20 million on tick.

    Eh, yeah. The Colombians decided to hand over 1.5 tonnes of cocaine to some gentlemen from faraway England on a buy now pay later agreement.

    They are taking the fcuking piss.


  • #41
    Rowley Birkin QC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,308 ✭✭✭Rowley Birkin QC


    My first thoughts this morning were actually of these guys waking up to find out how many of the next years of their lives would they spend sh!itting in a pot in the corner of their cell in front of some other jailed knobhead.


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  • #42
    Jimbo
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    These people are going to cost the tax payer a fortune over the next 40 years.
    Isn't there a case for deportation? Why should we pay for some other countries criminals?


  • #43
    bunny shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭bunny shooter


    They should be made take all their own drugs in one go. See if they want them then


  • #44
    HashSlinging
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    I suppose its some sort of positive result for the families of victims from the contaminated cocaine at Christmas.


  • #45
    keen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 987 ✭✭✭keen


    Tha Gopher wrote: »
    Great to see one of the red tops with a screaming headline that the Colombians have a contract out as they are owed 20 million on tick.

    Eh, yeah. The Colombians decided to hand over 1.5 tonnes of cocaine to some gentlemen from faraway England on a buy now pay later agreement.

    They are taking the fcuking piss.

    1.5 tonnes costs more then twenty million, twenty million would of been a part of the overall bill.

    20 million on tick is nothing in the grand scheme of things.


  • #46
    Flamed Diving
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,609 ✭✭✭Flamed Diving


    Tha Gopher wrote: »
    Great to see one of the red tops with a screaming headline that the Colombians have a contract out as they are owed 20 million on tick.

    Eh, yeah. The Colombians decided to hand over 1.5 tonnes of cocaine to some gentlemen from faraway England on a buy now pay later agreement.

    They are taking the fcuking piss.

    you think they paid up front?


  • #47
    silver haze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭silver haze


    HashSlinging wrote: »
    I suppose its some sort of positive result for the families of victims from the contaminated cocaine at Christmas.

    you mean that coke that later proved to not be contaminated, well non more than usual so.

    that was just people doin the dog on it, not any high purity or tabloid-esque "Killer Koke"

    also the family of one of the lads who died knew about and allowded sessions to take place in the house, so i dont know what if any cpositive result that they may draw from it.


  • #48
    latenia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭latenia


    Tha Gopher wrote: »
    Great to see one of the red tops with a screaming headline that the Colombians have a contract out as they are owed
    20 million on tick.

    Eh, yeah. The Colombians decided to hand over 1.5 tonnes of cocaine to some gentlemen from faraway England on a buy now pay later agreement.

    They are taking the fcuking piss.


    Complete bollocks from the tabloid. They would have got this on credit (after having built up a relationship from previous deals.) I remember reading an article about a Liverpool cocaine trafficker who was assassinated by Colombians because he couldn't provide media reports about a missing shipment being found by customs. As long as you can show them newspaper cuttings etc. it's accepted as a part of the business and let go.


    Here it is:
    'Smith was a trusted operator who built his fortune by keeping his word, not behaving like your normal gangster. At first the Colombians believed him,' said the source. But an informant, believed to be a close lieutenant of Smith in the Netherlands, told the Colombians a different story. Smith, it seemed, knew exactly where the mystery consignment was. A Dutch businessman with links to the Liverpool mafia said: 'Smith had no problem recovering the cocaine. It was in containers lined up on the docks like a row of new cars.' An established network of Liverpool gang members based in Amsterdam was secretly tasked with selling the drug. A meeting in Amsterdam was arranged between the Colombians and Smith's syndicate. The former demanded a 'yellow pedal' - a police charge sheet or newspaper cutting proving that the goods had been confiscated. Smith could not produce one. The Colombians warned him of dire repercussions if he did not hand over the money. A standoff between the two gangs developed, one that would presently claim a Colombian scalp.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/may/18/drugstrade.internationalcrime


  • #49
    growler
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    30 years each for Perry Wharrie and Martin Wanden and 25 years for Joe Daly. Just reported on RTE News a few mins ago.

    at least there is plenty more of the stuff out there, proper sailing course with good navigation etc. for the boys methinks. Disproportionate punishment for the crime imo no one is forced to take coke.


  • #50
    Rowley Birkin QC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,308 ✭✭✭Rowley Birkin QC


    growler wrote: »
    at least there is plenty more of the stuff out there, proper sailing course with good navigation etc. for the boys methinks. Disproportionate punishment for the crime imo no one is forced to take coke.

    No one forced them to attempt to land 1.5 tonnes of it either.


  • #51
    taidghbaby
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    bigkev49 wrote: »
    No one forced them to attempt to land 1.5 tonnes of it either.
    and make a lot of money from an illegal activity!!


    (though if you were to jail everyone in ireland who made a lot of money out of illegal activities then we'd need to be building new jails)


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  • #52
    connundrum
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    Its gas to see the cops on the telly giving it loads of:

    'Ireland is not seen as a safe haven or an easy touch by international crims now'

    ... I guess, unless they're stupid enough to basically turn themselves in :rolleyes:

    A comment on the radio today was:

    'All that cocain should be sold by the govt, that'd solve this recession problem we've come into'.


  • #53
    Piste
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    It's shocking that these laddies got 30 years and rapists and murderers get about half that (and that's being harsh). Instead of having a lesser sentence for drug criminals they should just impose a harsher sentence on violent criminals.


  • #54
    counterpointaud
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    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »
    The potential to destroy lives is far greater here, but yes: it does seem a bit weird.

    I have yet to read the rest of this thread, but this statement is one of the most ignorant I've read in a long time.

    People chose to take cocaine.

    Rape, by definition, is not something the victim chooses to experience.

    Sorry, but you have a very warped view of things IMO.

    A smuggler of illegal drugs can never violate the individual like a rapist can.

    Nathan


  • #55
    Collie D
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    latenia wrote: »
    Tha Gopher wrote: »
    Great to see one of the red tops with a screaming headline that the Colombians have a contract out as they are owed


    In fairness, if they'd just lost half a billion's quid of my drugs prison would be the best place for them.


  • #56
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    counterpointaud wrote: »
    A smuggler of illegal drugs can never violate the individual like a rapist can.

    Nathan

    Jesus,what a load of misinformed bollocks.Have you any idea the damage that drug addiction causes in this country?Almost every gangland murder has its roots in drug smuggling.How many people have contracted and/or died from HIV as a result of illegal drug use?How many communities/families/friendships have been torn apart by drugs?How many individuals have forsaken all dignity and quality of life because they are dependent on drugs?
    Smugglers of illegal drugs are responsible for carnage and misery far in excess of anything a rapist is responsible for.And they do it for the basest reason of all..for money.


  • #57
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Degsy wrote: »
    Jesus,what a load of misinformed bollocks.Have you any idea the damage that drug addiction causes in this country?Almost every gangland murder has its roots in drug smuggling.How many people have contracted and/or died from HIV as a result of illegal drug use?How many communities/families/friendships have been torn apart by drugs?How many individuals have forsaken all dignity and quality of life because they are dependent on drugs?
    Smugglers of illegal drugs are responsible for carnage and misery far in excess of anything a rapist is responsible for.And they do it for the basest reason of all..for money.
    Well at least they don't force themselves on others the way a rapist does.


  • #58
    counterpointaud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭counterpointaud


    Degsy wrote: »
    Jesus,what a load of misinformed bollocks.Have you any idea the damage that drug addiction causes in this country?

    Yes, actually. I have firsthand personal experience of it. Do you ?
    Degsy wrote: »
    Almost every gangland murder has its roots in drug smuggling.

    It would be more accurate to say that most gangland murders stem from our archaic drug laws. The guys invoved are murderers, they would be robbing banks if there was no money to be made from importing and distributing drugs. Or contract killing. Let's remember also, that the particular men we are discussing are not on trial for murder here.

    Degsy wrote: »
    How many people have contracted and/or died from HIV as a result of illegal drug use?

    Many, many unfortunate people. Free. clean needles should be easlily available to all addicts IMO. But this is beside the point, nobody else if injecting them against their will, how can you compare this to rape ?

    Degsy wrote: »
    How many communities/families/friendships have been torn apart by drugs?

    Again, far too many. The problem is huge. But drugs will always be available, maybe we should look at the reasons why people turn to serious drug addiction in the first place. Because they do have a choice, unlike the rape victim.
    Degsy wrote: »
    How many individuals have forsaken all dignity and quality of life because they are dependent on drugs?

    Many rape victims have dignity and quality of live taken from them, they do not 'forsake' it, to use your word. Many individuals do forsake 'dignity and quality of live' (in the eyes of mainstream society) BUT IT IS THEIR CHOICE, initially at least.
    Degsy wrote: »
    Smugglers of illegal drugs are responsible for carnage and misery far in excess of anything a rapist is responsible for.And they do it for the basest reason of all..for money.

    You think being motivated by money is a baser motivation than that of sexual domination ?

    Look, you cannot weigh the crime against the individual against the crime against society as you are doing. Otherwise something like, say, insulting a billion people could be seen as being equally reprehensible to torturing one person. A ridiculous thought, but you see what I mean I hope ?

    Nathan


  • #59
    dr.bollocko
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    counterpointaud wrote: »
    Yes, actually. I have firsthand personal experience of it. Do you ?



    It would be more accurate to say that most gangland murders stem from our archaic drug laws. These guys are murderers, they would be robbing banks if there was no money to be made from importing and distributing drugs. Let's remember also, that these men were not on trial for murder here.




    Many, many unfortunate people. Free. clean needles should be easlily available to all addicts IMO. But this is beside the point, nobody else if injecting them against their will, how can you compare this to rape ?




    Again, far too many. The problem is huge. But drugs will always be available, maybe we should look at the reasons why people turn to serious drug addiction in the first place. Because they do have a choice, unlike the rape victim.



    Many rape victims have dignity and quality of live taken from them, they do not 'forsake' it, to use your word. Many individuals do forsake 'dignity and quality of live' (in the eyes of mainstream society) BUT IT IS THEIR CHOICE, intially at least.



    Look, you cannot weigh the crime against the individual against the crime against society as you are doing. Otherwise something like, say, insulting a billion people could be seen as being equally reprehensible to torturing one person. A ridiculous thought, but you see what I mean I hope ?

    Nathan

    You have to say that there are a lot of counterpoints right there.
    :D


  • #60
    counterpointaud
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    :D


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  • #61
    slipss
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    30 years each for Perry Wharrie and Martin Wanden and 25 years for Joe Daly. Just reported on RTE News a few mins ago.

    Blowing your mates head off with a shotgun: 16 years
    Raping a little kid: 6 years
    Beating your girlfriend unconcious: 3 years
    Stealing some poor bastards car, removing the exhaust and driving around a housing estate untill 6am, then setting it on fire outside someones home: Probation
    Transporting a few bags of powder from on place to another because everyone wants it: 30 years
    Living in a country that thinks that is just: Priceless (no not priceless, whats that word again? Ohh yeah, pathetic.)


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