MMA sub-forum?

Fozzy wrote: »

So now and again an MMA thread will be posted there and there's an intelligent discussion

You do realise that pro wrestling is like home and away for bodybuilders??

MMA is a real sport where people dont know who's going to win, please dont compare them..

cowzerp wrote: »

You do realise that pro wrestling is like home and away for bodybuilders??

MMA is a real sport where people dont know who's going to win, please dont compare them..

I don't want to get into it here but I have to say that the businesses are a lot more similar than you'd think. They're both based simply on having unique personalities in important bouts. Many wrestling fans love MMA for the exact same reasons that they became wrestling fans. There's huge crossover between the two industries, especially in Japan but also in the US

And that's a bit of a narrow view you've got of pro wrestling. There's a lot more to it than WWE!

Fozzy wrote: »

And that's a bit of a narrow view you've got of pro wrestling. There's a lot more to it than WWE!

who mentioned wwe?
not me! its all fake acting, and bad acting too!

Fozzy wrote: »

You mentioned bodybuilders. Outside of WWE there aren't many wrestlers who you'd describe as "bodybuilders"

You wouldn't believe the number of retired wrestlers who've said that MMA today is closer to the pro wrestling of 20/30/40 years ago than pro wrestling currently is

Anyway, I don't want to drag this off topic so that's the last I'll say on that here

again your the one mentioning WWE, nobody mentioned them bar you, "Pro Wrestling" was the Home and Away thing.......

Judomad wrote: »

again your the one mentioning WWE, nobody mentioned them bar you, "Pro Wrestling" was the Home and Away thing.......

Ok, I swear, last post on this issue. Are you trying to troll me? Show me a wrestling company not called WWE that has a load of bodybuilders as their top stars. If you're talking about guys who look like bodybuilders in wrestling then you're talking about WWE

If you want to continue this then feel free to post on the wrestling forum

now and again an MMA thread will be posted there and there's an intelligent discussion that goes on with mainly people who don't post on the martial arts forum. If the argument is that UFC fans will post about UFC on the martial arts forum anyway, then why haven't all these posters done that?

Surely some one could have pointed the ill guided souls who posted about MMA on the pro wrestling board in the direction of this forum?

Did anyone ever suggest that the pro wrestling forum be split with a WWE section?

Why should fighters, coaches and trainers and some non participant fans who want to discuss upcoming or past fights or fighters, have to post on a new sub forum, because average fan in street cant find his way on to this forum?
What is so offensive about the two or 3 1st page posts regarding the UFC on this forum right now that will prevent TMA guys from posting? There is a thread about Arlovski, the regular UFC thread and Silva moving to light heavyweight. None of which appear directly anti TMA to me. There was a post about rapid arnis and escrima yesterday, did anyone jump all over it and say they thought that was crap and you should do mma??
Personally I think the guys in favour of a sub forum are less concerned with scaring away any TMA guys and more concerned with having a place where UFC ringgirls vs WEC ringgirls threads can be kept to the top with ease.
Like I say the simplest way to resolve this might be to have a UFC trivial matters forum, with all the what Dana does next and which stripper is with which fighter threads you like. But please leave the genuine fight threads right where they belong on a martial arts forum.

If you want to continue this then feel free to post on the wrestling forum

Would that be in the pantomime section?

There appear to be posters who are turned off discussing their martial art because of the prevalence of UFC-type threads. And I know that there are UFC fans who are turned off posting here because of the amount of martial arts practitioners here. Is one extra click (literally) of the mouse too much to ask?!

You have met UFC fans who are turned off by the amount of martial arts practitioners here? Arent they watching two of those compete everytime they tune in to the UFC?

You're verging on trolling here. Has there ever been a thread like that? The stuff on the sub-forum would be basically the same sort of stuff that's in the big MMA thread

First time I have ever been accused of trolling. Have you ever gone on the underground forum on mma.tv? It full of so called fans who dont train and spend their time start threads just like that. True fans would not have a problem in posting on here, no one has ever to my knowledge being discouraged from posting on here because they are just a fan. They have only to make 1 click too.

I have no idea why you're being so hostile to this idea

Because this is a martial arts forum and one of the better ones and I would like it to stay that way. I am passionate about BJJ and MMA but can totally respect someone who is in to Wado or Ba Gua or whatever. But if I want to discuss MMA in this country or abroad, I think I should be able to do it on one forum and not have it subdivided into an area for people who like the UFC but dont want to discuss it with people who have often been watching it since day one, have fought in shows before mma was legal in most states. We dont bite, Im delighted people enjoy watching it, I think the sport will only benefit from a wider fan base, but so called fans can post on here where there is a wide knowledge base and a chance to train if they choose.

You seem to have this idea that if we move mma to a different forum the TMA guys will come flooding back with new threads. What will happen is that guys who want to discuss fights etc will stay here, and you will end up with a forum full of threads about ring girls, gina carano, steroids in mma, who attended the last UFC, is joe rogan good on the mat etc etc. If you want that you can already get it on mma.tv and sadly now sherdog.

This is the last forum where you dont get crap like that at least not too often, I would be in favour of keeping it that way.

There are posters who have stopped contributing to the SD&MA forum due to it being swamped with MMA.

I think thats kind of sad and in a way its a reflection of how people feel about the art they practice. Swamped by MMA sounds like MMA is a bad thing, its just the evolution resulting from several arts coming together. Its no longer style vs style, its a way of training to try and cover all the bases about where a fight might go as realistically as is possible (minus the biting and eye gouges) What is so threatening about that I have never been able to put my finger on. Most of the MMA guys on here have a TMA background so what is the problem. If you like what you do you should be willing to discuss it and not feel threatened by other people who have something different they like and are willing to discuss it.

UFC does not equal MMA. I said MMA. If you want to have a UFC forum I have no problem. But call it that, not an MMA forum. Thats my problem.

The original post suggested an mma sub forum, that would suggest mma already has a forum which it doesnt, it comes under the umbrella of martial arts which is why its discussed here.

It also suggests that every second thread is a UFC related thread and it might need its own area.

As long as its called the UFC forum and not the mma forum I wouldnt have a problem, personally like I said I have no interest in discussing whether Gina Carano should be in the UFC and which ring girl is hotter. Trust me thats what you will get if this happens.

But I would strongly oppose the movement of all mma discussions to a seperate forum and would still like to see fight and fighter specific discussions on here, and leave the affliction vs UFC vs dream debates for the "fans".

I would love to see a "MMA fans forum", provided that people were still allowed to discuss MMA events here as usual.

If this could be done it would clear out a lot of threads, and hopefully a lot of the more abrasive MMA fans would head over there and stop people thinking that we're all a shower of tools.

It would be analogous to having a premiership forum for people who want to rattle on about the minutiae of that, while leaving a normal soccer forum for those involved in the sport - as fans, managers, players etc on a local, national and international level to have relevant discussions.

If that's elitist, then elite me up.

burtyburr wrote: »

I agree. And I do mma!!!
I think any attempt to create an mma sub-forum is just another sign that mma in this country is rapidly disappearing up its own hole.

MMA disapearring up its own hole? Then why is it that people have usually argued for a seperate forum based on the fact that most tma posters have been scared off posting here because of the popularity of mma threads. Most mma posters argue against a forum split (based on that reason) because they don't want mma isolated from other martial arts (or other martial arts from mma).
Besides, this thread was about starting an mma-fan sub forum, you should try reading all the posts.

burtyburr wrote: »

I thought that mma is soppoused to be a "what it says on the tin" affair. That is, you take what is practical and usefull ,for the fighter, from all systems and interconnect them.
MMA should be an ever evolving animal. If it is not, then it becomes what mma is soppoused to be getting away from,ie stagnant martial arts and hollow forms.

MMA should only evolve if something comes along that improves it. Just because another "martial art" comes along doesn't mean mma needs to take anything from it, not if there are more effective sources of the skills you supposedly could learn from that "martial art".

burtyburr wrote: »

When we brought Steve Morris over in june, it was the alleged "stale" martial arts that were the most receptive.
Most clubs doning themselves with the mma cape, were unresponsive to say the least, believing that what they were doing was "real" mma, and that a man that has been doing full contact fighting since the 70's had nothing to teach them.

Like who?

burtyburr wrote: »

If you feel your needs are not being met here, or more likely your egos arent being stroked the right way, then please feel free to f**k off to a part of the net thats more homely.

If you feel that most clubs who don the mma cape are unresponsive to what you have to say then maybe you should follow your own advice.

personally I can see merit in the idea. We have a thread 1,100+ replys all reffering to non-local mma (not just UFC, but Dream, EliteXC etc.). We have the Dana announcement saga. I personaly am interested in these threads, and while I know I can discuss them elsewhere on the interweb, I prefer to do it here because of the (general) lack of douchebaggery compared to the other sites.

I understand that others may not share my enthusiasm, and personally I don't mind clicking one more time to discuss releck gracie's fight in Dream, and it would appear that the other people in favour of this sub forum don't either.

I don't believe that it should be done to "encourage Tma'ers" to post more. We are all adults here, and if something interests you then post, no big deal, I'll end up using both forums anyway, as I suspect most people will.

so, yeah, back to bullshido for me (for now)

Just to weigh in as a "TMA" practitioner (and on that note, I hate the term "TMA"), I can tell you that I would tend not to post in this forum because of the prevalence of MMA threads, and that in many martial arts circles that I have been in or am currently in, this board is considered to be a board where you can only really post about MMA/BJJ and nothing else.

Most people that I know and/or train with in real life wouldn't start a discussion thread here, because they assume that it will immediately be shouted down by people all rushing to say how MMA/BJJ is the dogs boll*cks, and everything else is inferior. They might post about events, but never really about anything more in depth.

I know that this is not the major point of the thread, but as it (i.e. the notion that non-MMA/BJJ practitioners are scared off from posting on this forum) has been mentioned a few times in the discussion, I thought I'd lend a non-MMA/BJJ perspective to it.

Kila wrote: »

Just to weigh in as a "TMA" practitioner (and on that note, I hate the term "TMA"), I can tell you that I would tend not to post in this forum because of the prevalence of MMA threads, and that in many martial arts circles that I have been in or am currently in, this board is considered to be a board where you can only really post about MMA/BJJ and nothing else.
Most people that I know and/or train with in real life wouldn't start a discussion thread here, because they assume that it will immediately be shouted down by people all rushing to say how MMA/BJJ is the dogs boll*cks, and everything else is inferior. They might post about events, but never really about anything more in depth.

I know that this is not the major point of the thread, but as it (i.e. the notion that non-MMA/BJJ practitioners are scared off from posting on this forum) has been mentioned a few times in the discussion, I thought I'd lend a non-MMA/BJJ perspective to it.

what would you describe as a TMA, and its not only a board for MMA/BJJ sometimes i post here about daisy and daffodils and usually have good feedback, oh and last thing, you say you dont tend to post here because of the MMA/BJJ quantity on here, are they on all the boards in that case considering you have 36 posts in total on the site??:rolleyes: