MMA sub-forum?

dunkamania

I know this issue has been raised before, but is it time mma had its own sub-forum?

I am thinking here about a forum for fans to discuss non local mma events, as every second thread seems to be a discussion of the latest UFC shenanigans.:)

cowzerp

the local mma is more interesting to be honest!
its big enough for its own forum but the question is, is is necessary?

Judomad

cowzerp wrote: »

the local mma is more interesting to be honest!
its big enough for its own forum but the question is, is it necessary?

NO, its not, its working fine how it is now, and i think if you take MMA out of SD&MA the SD&MA forum will suffer and eventually become how it used to be-boring!!

Dragan

Judomad wrote: »

NO, its not, its working fine how it is now, and i think if you take MMA out of SD&MA the SD&MA forum will suffer and eventually become how it used to be-boring!!

If you removed MMA discussion at the moment it would pretty much become a dead entity.

I think its fine, its the "self defence and MARTIAL ARTS" forum and MMA is "Mixed MARTIAL ARTS" so tbh I think its fine here. The "market" so to speak is there for an MMA Forum but i think its good here as it is.

Judomad

Dragan wrote: »

If you removed MMA discussion at the moment it would pretty much become a dead entity.

yes, agrees completely, you may get around 20 posts a day or so, whereas now with mma in it we have at least 20posts an hour most of the time, taking MMA out of SD&MA would kill the forum.......

arybvtcw0eolkf

I think its a good idea to give this forum an MMA sub-forum at this stage, whilst keeping BJJ, Judo, Muay Thai etc here.

I think it would clean up the clutter.

Judomad

Mairt wrote: »

I think it would clean up the clutter.

i think you should go piss up a rope but i dont say it over this too often hahaha :D;)

Nothingcompares

tma subforum tbh

Judomad

Nothingcompares wrote: »

tma subforum tbh

+1,000,000,000,000 :D:p

goo

I really don't enjoy those "headbutt defence"/"what to do if shot" sort of threads...but I am the quintessential keyboard mma enthusiast so I guess noone's surprised.

buck65

I have posted here a bit but not anymore .I check it out now and again but as someone who is not into the UFC and MMA there is very little in the way of interest in this forum for me.
My interest is in Taekwondo and judo primarily but I enjoy watching Muay thai as well.
A huge majority of threads are about the UFC, TBH I think this is overhyped hugely.
Would love to see more TKD, kararte, Judo threads. I started a few and they were usually hijacked by MMAers pointing out the inadequacy of the system.
I am not really into MA as a sport more for fitness , learning and discipline reasons.
I do have massive respect for BJJ.

Would agree with a TMA subform

Judomad

buck65 wrote: »

I have posted here a bit but not anymore .I check it out now and again but as someone who is not into the UFC and MMA there is very little in the way of interest in this forum for me.
My interest is in Taekwondo and judo primarily but I enjoy watching Muay thai as well.
A huge majority of threads are about the UFC, TBH I think this is overhyped hugely.
Would love to see more TKD, kararte, Judo threads. I started a few and they were usually hijacked by MMAers pointing out the inadequacy of the system.
I am not really into MA as a sport more for fitness , learning and discipline reasons.
I do have massive respect for BJJ.

well, there is a fitness forum!!!!!

buck65 wrote: »

as someone who is not in the UFC and MMA

and by the way nobody on here is in the UFC, we do MMA, another misconception people with little knowledge of the sport have is to call MMA by a promotion name like UFC or Cage Rage. sure most people on here dont like the UFC as a brand but we love the sport!!

buck65

I wrote "into" the UFC not "in"
I know the difference between MMA and UFC,


and don't patronise by saying I know little about it I've seen plenty and it's not for me

David Jones

My interest is in Taekwondo and judo primarily but I enjoy watching Muay thai as well.

Well combine those 3 interests into one and you would have a pretty good start for an interest in mma. Not too sure why people are reluctant to post here if they only do a TMA. Most of the guys on here are from a TMA background, many got started in martial arts because of bruce lee or the karate kid or ninja turtles, chuck norris etc. The MMA guys have just evolved their activities because the results of trying to train the respective TMAs in their background in a realistic and athletic manner left them with holes in their game. I dont think anyone on here truely disrespects someone else who practices martial arts, I mean its what we all do. The conflict arises in the whos art is better arguements etc and there is plenty of competitive environments for that to be decided, from Cage of Truth all the way up to Dream and the UFC or somewhere with even less rules like Finnfight, IVC or WVC for the diehards. I think if everyone enjoyed what they did while being respectful of its limitations then there might be a little more harmony in the TMA vs MMA debates.

As for a sub forum, not another bloody one! This is a martial arts forum, you could be doing white eye monkey fish kung fu, but if its a martial art then this is the forum for it. So what if most of the threads currently are MMA related or even promotion specific ie UFC, start your own thread on something that interests you.

buck65

Good post David Jones,
my original point was that I actually have started and gotten involved in posts but alot of the TMAers seem to have clocked out and gone home maybe due to the saturation of MMA/ UFC threads which is a pity. I haven't posted here in ages but felt compelled to give my 2cents here now.

I know well that TKD and Judo have "holes" in them in regards complete fighting systems but as I said I am not into the sport side of things and only compete for gradings and sparring, (This is also due to work and family committments where training is a luxury!!)

I know that in coming up against a competitive well trained MMAer I would stand little chance but I feel in a street confrontation I could look after myself (unless it is the same MMAer)

David Jones

TMAers seem to have clocked out and gone home maybe due to the saturation of MMA/ UFC threads which is a pity

I agree it is a pity. Whilst I recognise the limitations of arts I used to practice eg Wado, Kenpo and Wing Chun, I still dont mind reading stuff about them and people who practice them.

I know well that TKD and Judo have "holes" in them in regards complete fighting systems but as I said I am not into the sport side of things and only compete for gradings and sparring, (This is also due to work and family committments where training is a luxury!!)

I wasnt getting at your chosen interests in case you think I was, and hey there is life outside of martial arts and indeed the internet, so fitting everything in including time to train for competition is not always possible or indeed everyones cup of tea.

I know that in coming up against a competitive well trained MMAer I would stand little chance

Punch is a punch and a kick is a kick, depends on what you are willing to do or not do. Most martial artists as opposed to martial thugs I know have no interest in fighting on the street, life is too short etc etc. In fact time on the street etc is time away from training and enjoying life.

Fozzy

I've said it before and I'll say it again, a sub-forum for MMA from a fan's perspective would do well. I think that it would attract more posters who don't do any martial art themselves

The rest of the forum would do fine, people aren't going to stop posting because some threads were moved one click away. If anything it will also encourage TMA people to post more who may otherwise be put off by the UFC talk

This topic has come up a good few times, it'd be good if there were some sort of input from a mod or someone else in charge. Or you might get a better response if you were to post it here: http://boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=461

David Jones

I've said it before and I'll say it again, a sub-forum for MMA from a fan's perspective would do well. I think that it would attract more posters who don't do any martial art themselves

A completely seperate forum for MMA for people who dont do any martial arts themselves? why? for whose benefit? So people who just watch the sport can comment on it? I dont see why several posts with reference to the UFC or Dream or whatever would prevent martial artists from other arts posting, If something on the forum doesnt interest me its very simple dont click on it.

Creating a seperate sub forum because some people who just watch the UFC might be encouraged to make a comment seems a pointless exercise.

Fozzy

David Jones wrote: »

A completely seperate forum for MMA for people who dont do any martial arts themselves? why? for whose benefit? So people who just watch the sport can comment on it? I dont see why several posts with reference to the UFC or Dream or whatever would prevent martial artists from other arts posting, If something on the forum doesnt interest me its very simple dont click on it.

Creating a seperate sub forum because some people who just watch the UFC might be encouraged to make a comment seems a pointless exercise.

That's not the only reason for it and I never suggested that it was. All these threads about "non local MMA events" have people posting in them as a fan. The majority of people who post in them train in MMA themselves, but they don't post as a person who trains in MMA. They post as a fan

From my experience, the vast majority of people who I know who are fans of the UFC don't train in MMA. My point is that there's surely more people on Boards who are UFC fans but because they don't train in martial arts they don't visit the martial arts forum. I think that an "MMA fans forum" would generate more interest than the few threads that you get on this forum

I'm not talking about a separate forum just for people who don't do a martial art. I'm talking about a forum for people who are fans of MMA

dunkamania

Fozzy made my case better than I ever could.

I think there is room for a MMA fan forum as opposed to a forum where mma practitioners who are mma fans write about the sport.

David Jones

Why do we have to seperate the practitioners who are fans from the fans who arent practitioners? So if this was set up, every mma practitioner on here would have to go and post an opinion on the UFC or Dream or whatever on a completely seperate forum or subforum? Why does that make sense?

The majority of people who post in them train in MMA themselves, but they don't post as a person who trains in MMA. They post as a fan

Can you not be both?

My point is that there's surely more people on Boards who are UFC fans but because they don't train in martial arts they don't visit the martial arts forum. I think that an "MMA fans forum" would generate more interest than the few threads that you get on this forum

So what your suggesting is a seperate forum for the UFC to accomodate people who are fans but dont train in mma while at the same time failing to accomodate mma practitioners who are fans and dont want to post on a forum where joe bloggs will be asking "Has anyone ever died from cage fighting" or "why arent they allowed eye gouge?" etc etc

Surely true fans of the sport wont mind posting on this forum and they might even end up taking up the sport. They will be getting knowledgeable answers from people who train instead of feedback from people who dont know what they are talking about.

Why fix it if its not broken?

Judomad

David Jones wrote: »

Why do we have to seperate the practitioners who are fans from the fans who arent practitioners? So if this was set up, every mma practitioner on here would have to go and post an opinion on the UFC or Dream or whatever on a completely seperate forum or subforum? Why does that make sense?




Can you not be both?



So what your suggesting is a seperate forum for the UFC to accomodate people who are fans but dont train in mma while at the same time failing to accomodate mma practitioners who are fans and dont want to post on a forum where joe bloggs will be asking "Has anyone ever died from cage fighting" or "why arent they allowed eye gouge?" etc etc

Surely true fans of the sport wont mind posting on this forum and they might even end up taking up the sport. They will be getting knowledgeable answers from people who train instead of feedback from people who dont know what they are talking about.

Why fix it if its not broken?

+1

dunkamania

David Jones wrote: »

Why do we have to seperate the practitioners who are fans from the fans who arent practitioners? So if this was set up, every mma practitioner on here would have to go and post an opinion on the UFC or Dream or whatever on a completely seperate forum or subforum? Why does that make sense?




Can you not be both?



So what your suggesting is a seperate forum for the UFC to accomodate people who are fans but dont train in mma while at the same time failing to accomodate mma practitioners who are fans and dont want to post on a forum where joe bloggs will be asking "Has anyone ever died from cage fighting" or "why arent they allowed eye gouge?" etc etc

Surely true fans of the sport wont mind posting on this forum and they might even end up taking up the sport. They will be getting knowledgeable answers from people who train instead of feedback from people who dont know what they are talking about.

Why fix it if its not broken?

All due respect Dave but those are fairly elitest arguements, the assumption that mma fans who dont participate in the sport are ignorant of the finer points of the sport is misguided. Bear in mind that the sport has exploded in popularity, the majority of mma fans are non-participants in the sport, whereas most if not all of the people who post on mma events in the SDMA forum are linked with the sport. Clearly a seperate forum for MMA fans would attract a broader spectrum of fans. As far as the occasional trollish comment from a Joe Bloggs about eye gouging, these shouldnt be a major issue. Is it really that hard to post on a seperate forum for non-local mma events?

Also, its pretty clear that since I started posting on this forum a couple of years ago that threads relating to TMA have decreased significantly. Part of this is due to the explosion in MMA related sports, but I believe that alot of people have been avoiding SDMA because of the prevalence of UFC related threads.

David Jones

Also, its pretty clear that since I started posting on this forum a couple of years ago that threads relating to TMA have decreased significantly. Part of this is due to the explosion in MMA related sports, but I believe that alot of people have been avoiding SDMA because of the prevalence of UFC related threads.

I doubt they are avoiding the SDMA because of the prevalence of UFC related threads. I would say its more due to the impression that what they practice is not respected by those involved in mma on here. I dont think I have ever posted on a UFC thread on this forum, maybe a prediction thread a couple of times. But discussing the ins and outs of Dana Whites next move bores the **** out of me, so I dont click on it.

If this were a basketball forum, you wouldnt be asking for a seperate forum for people who only watch NBA basketball.
Or a rugby forum where suddenly we need a Heineken Cup sub forum.
This is a martial arts forum, the UFC is a martial arts based competition,MMA is mixed martial arts, I think therefore the rightful place to discuss such topics is the SDMA forum. When the Olympics come around in August, are we going to need a seperate Olympic forum? with Judo, Tae Kwon do and Wrestling sub forums? (this could be sub divided in to Greco and Freestyle subsub forums!), no we are not, I for one hope practitioners and fans of these will post here.

If I'm being elitist, you are guilty of not crediting the average UFC fan with enough intelligence to say hmmm the UFC is about fighting, fighting = martial artists, martial artists = martial arts = selfdefence and martial arts forum, "I wonder if anyone discusses the UFC on there, lets click and find out!"

Colms sticky post "welcome to the martial arts forum" states you can post on any topic (ma related ) you like, so there are no barriers to non practitioners posting, especially since you consider so many of them well versed in the finer points, hell we might even learn a thing or two from them.

If you want to have a sub forum discussing what Dana had for breakfast or what toilet paper he uses etc etc go right ahead, but maybe that will have to go on the breakfast forum, the toilet forum or the Dana White forum? Where will it end?

Roper

I dunno, I think there might be merit in this. There's a lot of topics about what colour underwear Dana White wears or "Where was Joe Rogan for the last show" or "Affliction stocks rise 3c at COB today! Wow! Dana's gonna be pi55ed!"

There's a lot of that goes on which to be fair, if I came in and saw it as a "martial arts" fan of any kind who'd never read the board before, I wouldn't post. There's a topic dedicated to that sort of day to day thing but people still open new ones. For example right now we have a 10 page topic on whether or not Dana White is going to make a corporate announcement to his staff. I know some people have an interest in this but you can see how the average kung fu or kratty fan isn't going to feel like this is somewhere he can post about his favourite kata.

David Jones

Maybe the answer is a "Trivial Crap regarding the UFC forum" and leave mma and discussion of the actual fights where they belong on the SDMA.

Roper

Roper wrote: »

There's a topic dedicated to that sort of day to day thing but people still open new ones.

I have to agree with you on that, that big thread was meant to keep from people starting a new thread everytime there was anything remotely related to MMA happening in the MMA world. Now obviously "Randy Couture resigns" and the realy big stories like that deserve their own thread but I do agree that a lot of topics could be kept the the one thread to eliminate the clutter. That way the talk about the random things to do with MMA goes on without stopping other people from startin discussions that would get lost in the traffic.


Personally I enjoy talking about anything remotely to do with MMA as I love the sport but I keep it to the big thread as I dont want other peoples threads getting lost by starting a new thread everytime I wanna post a video interview etc....

dunkamania

Overall I have tried to stick to the uber thread, but given that at times it seems that there were 5 conversations happening at once in the uber thread, there was a need for additional threads.

Like Neil1984, I love talking all things MMA, including Dana's breakfast, but I do understand that other people find it all tedious.

If I'm being elitist, you are guilty of not crediting the average UFC fan with enough intelligence to say hmmm the UFC is about fighting, fighting = martial artists, martial artists = martial arts = selfdefence and martial arts forum, "I wonder if anyone discusses the UFC on there, lets click and find out!"

I would have agreed with you Dave except that the average UFC fan hasnt made his way on to the SDMA forum.

Fozzy

Just another point that I'll throw in that I completely forgot about before: when I became a moderator of pro wrestling it was already in the charter that MMA talk was allowed on the forum. So now and again an MMA thread will be posted there and there's an intelligent discussion that goes on with mainly people who don't post on the martial arts forum. If the argument is that UFC fans will post about UFC on the martial arts forum anyway, then why haven't all these posters done that? I really think that more discussion would be encouraged in both parts of the forum if a split like that were to take place and that's my main argument. It can't just be the group of posters on pro wrestling who are MMA fans who don't post here about it

Nothingcompares

David Jones wrote: »

where joe bloggs will be asking "Has anyone ever died from cage fighting" or "why arent they allowed eye gouge?" etc etc

Just as TMA guys are ridiculed from the ivory towers of the mma elite the joe bloggs ufc mans will be mocked and insulted by the mma aficionados. It all makes perfect sense to me SD/MA forum and MMA (the inside special) forum.

cowzerp

Fozzy wrote: »

So now and again an MMA thread will be posted there and there's an intelligent discussion

You do realise that pro wrestling is like home and away for bodybuilders??

MMA is a real sport where people dont know who's going to win, please dont compare them..

Judomad

cowzerp wrote: »

You do realise that pro wrestling is like home and away for bodybuilders??
MMA is a real sport where people dont know who's going to win, please dont compare them..

i love it hahahahahahahahahaha nearly pissed myself in work haha

Fozzy

cowzerp wrote: »

You do realise that pro wrestling is like home and away for bodybuilders??

MMA is a real sport where people dont know who's going to win, please dont compare them..

I don't want to get into it here but I have to say that the businesses are a lot more similar than you'd think. They're both based simply on having unique personalities in important bouts. Many wrestling fans love MMA for the exact same reasons that they became wrestling fans. There's huge crossover between the two industries, especially in Japan but also in the US

And that's a bit of a narrow view you've got of pro wrestling. There's a lot more to it than WWE!

Nevyn

Dragan wrote: »

If you removed MMA discussion at the moment it would pretty much become a dead entity.

There are posters who have stopped contributing to the SD&MA forum due to it being swamped with MMA.

cowzerp

Fozzy wrote: »

And that's a bit of a narrow view you've got of pro wrestling. There's a lot more to it than WWE!

who mentioned wwe?
not me! its all fake acting, and bad acting too!

Fozzy

cowzerp wrote: »

who mentioned wwe?
not me! its all fake acting, and bad acting too!

You mentioned bodybuilders. Outside of WWE there aren't many wrestlers who you'd describe as "bodybuilders"

You wouldn't believe the number of retired wrestlers who've said that MMA today is closer to the pro wrestling of 20/30/40 years ago than pro wrestling currently is

Anyway, I don't want to drag this off topic so that's the last I'll say on that here

Judomad

Fozzy wrote: »

You mentioned bodybuilders. Outside of WWE there aren't many wrestlers who you'd describe as "bodybuilders"

You wouldn't believe the number of retired wrestlers who've said that MMA today is closer to the pro wrestling of 20/30/40 years ago than pro wrestling currently is

Anyway, I don't want to drag this off topic so that's the last I'll say on that here

again your the one mentioning WWE, nobody mentioned them bar you, "Pro Wrestling" was the Home and Away thing.......

Tim_Murphy

There's a lot of similarities with how big event MMA is run and how pro-wrestling is run. The way the UFC is promoted is much more like WWE than it is like say Boxing for example. A lot of the UFCs success is because of this.

I love the way people point out that pro wrestling is fake as if people don't know that already. :rolleyes:

Fozzy

Judomad wrote: »

again your the one mentioning WWE, nobody mentioned them bar you, "Pro Wrestling" was the Home and Away thing.......

Ok, I swear, last post on this issue. Are you trying to troll me? Show me a wrestling company not called WWE that has a load of bodybuilders as their top stars. If you're talking about guys who look like bodybuilders in wrestling then you're talking about WWE

If you want to continue this then feel free to post on the wrestling forum

Judomad

Fozzy wrote: »

Ok, I swear, last post on this issue. Are you trying to troll me? Show me a wrestling company not called WWE that has a load of bodybuilders as their top stars. If you're talking about guys who look like bodybuilders in wrestling then you're talking about WWE

If you want to continue this then feel free to post on the wrestling forum

http://images.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://bp2.blogger.com/_1_m6pCkuMuQ/RfbFUifQ0NI/AAAAAAAAAEM/zCNdWcISdRo/s320/06.jpg&imgrefurl=http://eyeofthedog.blogspot.com/2007_03_01_archive.html&h=320&w=213&sz=14&hl=en&start=7&tbnid=TuQM8r9SYoGexM:&tbnh=118&tbnw=79&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbig%2Bpoppa%2Bpump%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den

click that link, hes like a bodybuilder.....
im sure if i was arsed finding more i could but simply no intrest to me, im just making a point now, and no im not "trolling" u as u said, i think you want to continue this on the wrestling forum so you can ban me from the weakening argument your putting up........peace homeboi

David Jones

now and again an MMA thread will be posted there and there's an intelligent discussion that goes on with mainly people who don't post on the martial arts forum. If the argument is that UFC fans will post about UFC on the martial arts forum anyway, then why haven't all these posters done that?

Surely some one could have pointed the ill guided souls who posted about MMA on the pro wrestling board in the direction of this forum?

Did anyone ever suggest that the pro wrestling forum be split with a WWE section?

Why should fighters, coaches and trainers and some non participant fans who want to discuss upcoming or past fights or fighters, have to post on a new sub forum, because average fan in street cant find his way on to this forum?
What is so offensive about the two or 3 1st page posts regarding the UFC on this forum right now that will prevent TMA guys from posting? There is a thread about Arlovski, the regular UFC thread and Silva moving to light heavyweight. None of which appear directly anti TMA to me. There was a post about rapid arnis and escrima yesterday, did anyone jump all over it and say they thought that was crap and you should do mma??
Personally I think the guys in favour of a sub forum are less concerned with scaring away any TMA guys and more concerned with having a place where UFC ringgirls vs WEC ringgirls threads can be kept to the top with ease.
Like I say the simplest way to resolve this might be to have a UFC trivial matters forum, with all the what Dana does next and which stripper is with which fighter threads you like. But please leave the genuine fight threads right where they belong on a martial arts forum.

If you want to continue this then feel free to post on the wrestling forum

Would that be in the pantomime section?

Fozzy

David Jones wrote: »

Surely some one could have pointed the ill guided souls who posted about MMA on the pro wrestling board in the direction of this forum?

I can't remember when it started but before I was a moderator there'd often be UFC threads there that would get more replies than similar threads on this forum. All the posters were regulars of that forum and not this, so I guess whoever was in charge back then saw no problem with it

David Jones wrote: »

Did anyone ever suggest that the pro wrestling forum be split with a WWE section?

Different situation. For an equivalent situation on the wrestling board, it would be like if there were a large number of wrestlers (90%+) posting there about their training. And then there were fans who'd post about WWE and the wrestlers would also post there, as fans themselves. In that case, a splitting of the forum would probably work

David Jones wrote: »

Why should fighters, coaches and trainers and some non participant fans who want to discuss upcoming or past fights or fighters, have to post on a new sub forum, because average fan in street cant find his way on to this forum?

As I said, I believe that discussion in both areas would increase. There appear to be posters who are turned off discussing their martial art because of the prevalence of UFC-type threads. And I know that there are UFC fans who are turned off posting here because of the amount of martial arts practitioners here. Is one extra click (literally) of the mouse too much to ask?!

David Jones wrote: »

Personally I think the guys in favour of a sub forum are less concerned with scaring away any TMA guys and more concerned with having a place where UFC ringgirls vs WEC ringgirls threads can be kept to the top with ease.

You're verging on trolling here. Has there ever been a thread like that? The stuff on the sub-forum would be basically the same sort of stuff that's in the big MMA thread

I have no idea why you're being so hostile to this idea

David Jones

There appear to be posters who are turned off discussing their martial art because of the prevalence of UFC-type threads. And I know that there are UFC fans who are turned off posting here because of the amount of martial arts practitioners here. Is one extra click (literally) of the mouse too much to ask?!

You have met UFC fans who are turned off by the amount of martial arts practitioners here? Arent they watching two of those compete everytime they tune in to the UFC?

You're verging on trolling here. Has there ever been a thread like that? The stuff on the sub-forum would be basically the same sort of stuff that's in the big MMA thread

First time I have ever been accused of trolling. Have you ever gone on the underground forum on mma.tv? It full of so called fans who dont train and spend their time start threads just like that. True fans would not have a problem in posting on here, no one has ever to my knowledge being discouraged from posting on here because they are just a fan. They have only to make 1 click too.

I have no idea why you're being so hostile to this idea

Because this is a martial arts forum and one of the better ones and I would like it to stay that way. I am passionate about BJJ and MMA but can totally respect someone who is in to Wado or Ba Gua or whatever. But if I want to discuss MMA in this country or abroad, I think I should be able to do it on one forum and not have it subdivided into an area for people who like the UFC but dont want to discuss it with people who have often been watching it since day one, have fought in shows before mma was legal in most states. We dont bite, Im delighted people enjoy watching it, I think the sport will only benefit from a wider fan base, but so called fans can post on here where there is a wide knowledge base and a chance to train if they choose.

You seem to have this idea that if we move mma to a different forum the TMA guys will come flooding back with new threads. What will happen is that guys who want to discuss fights etc will stay here, and you will end up with a forum full of threads about ring girls, gina carano, steroids in mma, who attended the last UFC, is joe rogan good on the mat etc etc. If you want that you can already get it on mma.tv and sadly now sherdog.

This is the last forum where you dont get crap like that at least not too often, I would be in favour of keeping it that way.

There are posters who have stopped contributing to the SD&MA forum due to it being swamped with MMA.

I think thats kind of sad and in a way its a reflection of how people feel about the art they practice. Swamped by MMA sounds like MMA is a bad thing, its just the evolution resulting from several arts coming together. Its no longer style vs style, its a way of training to try and cover all the bases about where a fight might go as realistically as is possible (minus the biting and eye gouges) What is so threatening about that I have never been able to put my finger on. Most of the MMA guys on here have a TMA background so what is the problem. If you like what you do you should be willing to discuss it and not feel threatened by other people who have something different they like and are willing to discuss it.

Fozzy

David Jones wrote: »

You have met UFC fans who are turned off by the amount of martial arts practitioners here? Arent they watching two of those compete everytime they tune in to the UFC?

I haven't met them but UFC fans on Boards have said it

David Jones wrote: »

But if I want to discuss MMA in this country or abroad, I think I should be able to do it on one forum

Do you though? The original post on this thread specifically mentions non-local MMA, and of the near one and a half thousand posts about non-local MMA in that big thread you haven't posted any

I'm just not really clear on where you're coming from

David Jones

UFC does not equal MMA. I said MMA. If you want to have a UFC forum I have no problem. But call it that, not an MMA forum. Thats my problem.

Fozzy

David Jones wrote: »

UFC does not equal MMA. I said MMA. If you want to have a UFC forum I have no problem. But call it that, not an MMA forum. Thats my problem.

The original post says "non local MMA events". That's more than just the UFC. But I don't think anyone suggested that all MMA discussion be moved somewhere else

David Jones

The original post suggested an mma sub forum, that would suggest mma already has a forum which it doesnt, it comes under the umbrella of martial arts which is why its discussed here.

It also suggests that every second thread is a UFC related thread and it might need its own area.

As long as its called the UFC forum and not the mma forum I wouldnt have a problem, personally like I said I have no interest in discussing whether Gina Carano should be in the UFC and which ring girl is hotter. Trust me thats what you will get if this happens.

But I would strongly oppose the movement of all mma discussions to a seperate forum and would still like to see fight and fighter specific discussions on here, and leave the affliction vs UFC vs dream debates for the "fans".

Roper

Still, if people want to post about the "drama" of what Affliction are going to do next and how much Zuffa stock is worth, they should probably be allowed to do it somewhere on their own. I can't for the life of me understand why people would post here about stuff like that when there is, as Dave said, Sherdog, the UG, loads of places to go and blab about all that. Why does there need to be an Irish version?

To be honest I don't post on here much anymore as there used to be the odd good discussion about stuff and maybe a few heated debates on training methods and thr like, but now it just seems to be the MMA gossip forum. OMG what is Dana doing dissing Tito in public again? Will they ever make up. Did you hear they ignored each other backstage??? OMG!!

burtyburr wrote:

I agree. And I do mma!!!
I think any attempt to create an mma sub-forum is just another sign that mma in this country is rapidly disappearing up its own hole.
I thought that mma is soppoused to be a "what it says on the tin" affair. That is, you take what is practical and usefull ,for the fighter, from all systems and interconnect them.
MMA should be an ever evolving animal. If it is not, then it becomes what mma is soppoused to be getting away from,ie stagnant martial arts and hollow forms.
When we brought Steve Morris over in june, it was the alleged "stale" martial arts that were the most receptive.
Most clubs doning themselves with the mma cape, were unresponsive to say the least, believing that what they were doing was "real" mma, and that a man that has been doing full contact fighting since the 70's had nothing to teach them.

What, if anything, does that have to do with this? And who is dissappearing up their own holes? Who told you they were doing "real mma" and had no interest? I have lots of questions about that post.

Clive

I would love to see a "MMA fans forum", provided that people were still allowed to discuss MMA events here as usual.

If this could be done it would clear out a lot of threads, and hopefully a lot of the more abrasive MMA fans would head over there and stop people thinking that we're all a shower of tools.

It would be analogous to having a premiership forum for people who want to rattle on about the minutiae of that, while leaving a normal soccer forum for those involved in the sport - as fans, managers, players etc on a local, national and international level to have relevant discussions.

If that's elitist, then elite me up.

Clive

Oh, also, everyone should just go to the ring of truth forum.