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MMA sub-forum?

  • 18-06-2008 08:30AM
    #1
    dunkamania
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    I know this issue has been raised before, but is it time mma had its own sub-forum?

    I am thinking here about a forum for fans to discuss non local mma events, as every second thread seems to be a discussion of the latest UFC shenanigans.:)


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  • #2
    cowzerp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    the local mma is more interesting to be honest!
    its big enough for its own forum but the question is, is is necessary?

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • #3
    Judomad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Judomad


    cowzerp wrote: »
    the local mma is more interesting to be honest!
    its big enough for its own forum but the question is, is it necessary?

    NO, its not, its working fine how it is now, and i think if you take MMA out of SD&MA the SD&MA forum will suffer and eventually become how it used to be-boring!!


  • #4
    Dragan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    Judomad wrote: »
    NO, its not, its working fine how it is now, and i think if you take MMA out of SD&MA the SD&MA forum will suffer and eventually become how it used to be-boring!!
    If you removed MMA discussion at the moment it would pretty much become a dead entity.


  • #5
    [Deleted User]
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    I think its fine, its the "self defence and MARTIAL ARTS" forum and MMA is "Mixed MARTIAL ARTS" so tbh I think its fine here. The "market" so to speak is there for an MMA Forum but i think its good here as it is.


  • #6
    Judomad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Judomad


    Dragan wrote: »
    If you removed MMA discussion at the moment it would pretty much become a dead entity.

    yes, agrees completely, you may get around 20 posts a day or so, whereas now with mma in it we have at least 20posts an hour most of the time, taking MMA out of SD&MA would kill the forum.......


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  • #7
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    I think its a good idea to give this forum an MMA sub-forum at this stage, whilst keeping BJJ, Judo, Muay Thai etc here.

    I think it would clean up the clutter.


  • #8
    Judomad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Judomad


    Mairt wrote: »
    I think it would clean up the clutter.

    i think you should go piss up a rope but i dont say it over this too often hahaha :D;):D;)


  • #9
    Nothingcompares
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    tma subforum tbh


  • #10
    Judomad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Judomad


    Nothingcompares wrote: »
    tma subforum tbh

    +1,000,000,000,000 :D:p:D:p


  • #11
    goo
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    I really don't enjoy those "headbutt defence"/"what to do if shot" sort of threads...but I am the quintessential keyboard mma enthusiast so I guess noone's surprised.


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  • #12
    buck65
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    I have posted here a bit but not anymore .I check it out now and again but as someone who is not into the UFC and MMA there is very little in the way of interest in this forum for me.
    My interest is in Taekwondo and judo primarily but I enjoy watching Muay thai as well.
    A huge majority of threads are about the UFC, TBH I think this is overhyped hugely.
    Would love to see more TKD, kararte, Judo threads. I started a few and they were usually hijacked by MMAers pointing out the inadequacy of the system.
    I am not really into MA as a sport more for fitness , learning and discipline reasons.
    I do have massive respect for BJJ.

    Would agree with a TMA subform


  • #13
    Judomad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Judomad


    buck65 wrote: »
    I have posted here a bit but not anymore .I check it out now and again but as someone who is not into the UFC and MMA there is very little in the way of interest in this forum for me.
    My interest is in Taekwondo and judo primarily but I enjoy watching Muay thai as well.
    A huge majority of threads are about the UFC, TBH I think this is overhyped hugely.
    Would love to see more TKD, kararte, Judo threads. I started a few and they were usually hijacked by MMAers pointing out the inadequacy of the system.
    I am not really into MA as a sport more for fitness , learning and discipline reasons.
    I do have massive respect for BJJ.

    well, there is a fitness forum!!!!!
    buck65 wrote: »
    as someone who is not in the UFC and MMA

    and by the way nobody on here is in the UFC, we do MMA, another misconception people with little knowledge of the sport have is to call MMA by a promotion name like UFC or Cage Rage. sure most people on here dont like the UFC as a brand but we love the sport!!


  • #14
    buck65
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    I wrote "into" the UFC not "in"
    I know the difference between MMA and UFC,


    and don't patronise by saying I know little about it I've seen plenty and it's not for me


  • #15
    David Jones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭David Jones


    My interest is in Taekwondo and judo primarily but I enjoy watching Muay thai as well.

    Well combine those 3 interests into one and you would have a pretty good start for an interest in mma. Not too sure why people are reluctant to post here if they only do a TMA. Most of the guys on here are from a TMA background, many got started in martial arts because of bruce lee or the karate kid or ninja turtles, chuck norris etc. The MMA guys have just evolved their activities because the results of trying to train the respective TMAs in their background in a realistic and athletic manner left them with holes in their game. I dont think anyone on here truely disrespects someone else who practices martial arts, I mean its what we all do. The conflict arises in the whos art is better arguements etc and there is plenty of competitive environments for that to be decided, from Cage of Truth all the way up to Dream and the UFC or somewhere with even less rules like Finnfight, IVC or WVC for the diehards. I think if everyone enjoyed what they did while being respectful of its limitations then there might be a little more harmony in the TMA vs MMA debates.

    As for a sub forum, not another bloody one! This is a martial arts forum, you could be doing white eye monkey fish kung fu, but if its a martial art then this is the forum for it. So what if most of the threads currently are MMA related or even promotion specific ie UFC, start your own thread on something that interests you.


  • #16
    buck65
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    Good post David Jones,
    my original point was that I actually have started and gotten involved in posts but alot of the TMAers seem to have clocked out and gone home maybe due to the saturation of MMA/ UFC threads which is a pity. I haven't posted here in ages but felt compelled to give my 2cents here now.

    I know well that TKD and Judo have "holes" in them in regards complete fighting systems but as I said I am not into the sport side of things and only compete for gradings and sparring, (This is also due to work and family committments where training is a luxury!!)

    I know that in coming up against a competitive well trained MMAer I would stand little chance but I feel in a street confrontation I could look after myself (unless it is the same MMAer)


  • #17
    David Jones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭David Jones


    TMAers seem to have clocked out and gone home maybe due to the saturation of MMA/ UFC threads which is a pity

    I agree it is a pity. Whilst I recognise the limitations of arts I used to practice eg Wado, Kenpo and Wing Chun, I still dont mind reading stuff about them and people who practice them.
    I know well that TKD and Judo have "holes" in them in regards complete fighting systems but as I said I am not into the sport side of things and only compete for gradings and sparring, (This is also due to work and family committments where training is a luxury!!)

    I wasnt getting at your chosen interests in case you think I was, and hey there is life outside of martial arts and indeed the internet, so fitting everything in including time to train for competition is not always possible or indeed everyones cup of tea.

    I know that in coming up against a competitive well trained MMAer I would stand little chance

    Punch is a punch and a kick is a kick, depends on what you are willing to do or not do. Most martial artists as opposed to martial thugs I know have no interest in fighting on the street, life is too short etc etc. In fact time on the street etc is time away from training and enjoying life.


  • #18
    Fozzy
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    I've said it before and I'll say it again, a sub-forum for MMA from a fan's perspective would do well. I think that it would attract more posters who don't do any martial art themselves

    The rest of the forum would do fine, people aren't going to stop posting because some threads were moved one click away. If anything it will also encourage TMA people to post more who may otherwise be put off by the UFC talk

    This topic has come up a good few times, it'd be good if there were some sort of input from a mod or someone else in charge. Or you might get a better response if you were to post it here: http://boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=461


  • #19
    David Jones
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    I've said it before and I'll say it again, a sub-forum for MMA from a fan's perspective would do well. I think that it would attract more posters who don't do any martial art themselves


    A completely seperate forum for MMA for people who dont do any martial arts themselves? why? for whose benefit? So people who just watch the sport can comment on it? I dont see why several posts with reference to the UFC or Dream or whatever would prevent martial artists from other arts posting, If something on the forum doesnt interest me its very simple dont click on it.

    Creating a seperate sub forum because some people who just watch the UFC might be encouraged to make a comment seems a pointless exercise.


  • #20
    Fozzy
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    David Jones wrote: »
    A completely seperate forum for MMA for people who dont do any martial arts themselves? why? for whose benefit? So people who just watch the sport can comment on it? I dont see why several posts with reference to the UFC or Dream or whatever would prevent martial artists from other arts posting, If something on the forum doesnt interest me its very simple dont click on it.

    Creating a seperate sub forum because some people who just watch the UFC might be encouraged to make a comment seems a pointless exercise.

    That's not the only reason for it and I never suggested that it was. All these threads about "non local MMA events" have people posting in them as a fan. The majority of people who post in them train in MMA themselves, but they don't post as a person who trains in MMA. They post as a fan

    From my experience, the vast majority of people who I know who are fans of the UFC don't train in MMA. My point is that there's surely more people on Boards who are UFC fans but because they don't train in martial arts they don't visit the martial arts forum. I think that an "MMA fans forum" would generate more interest than the few threads that you get on this forum

    I'm not talking about a separate forum just for people who don't do a martial art. I'm talking about a forum for people who are fans of MMA


  • #21
    dunkamania
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    Fozzy made my case better than I ever could.

    I think there is room for a MMA fan forum as opposed to a forum where mma practitioners who are mma fans write about the sport.


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  • #22
    David Jones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭David Jones


    Why do we have to seperate the practitioners who are fans from the fans who arent practitioners? So if this was set up, every mma practitioner on here would have to go and post an opinion on the UFC or Dream or whatever on a completely seperate forum or subforum? Why does that make sense?

    The majority of people who post in them train in MMA themselves, but they don't post as a person who trains in MMA. They post as a fan

    Can you not be both?
    My point is that there's surely more people on Boards who are UFC fans but because they don't train in martial arts they don't visit the martial arts forum. I think that an "MMA fans forum" would generate more interest than the few threads that you get on this forum

    So what your suggesting is a seperate forum for the UFC to accomodate people who are fans but dont train in mma while at the same time failing to accomodate mma practitioners who are fans and dont want to post on a forum where joe bloggs will be asking "Has anyone ever died from cage fighting" or "why arent they allowed eye gouge?" etc etc

    Surely true fans of the sport wont mind posting on this forum and they might even end up taking up the sport. They will be getting knowledgeable answers from people who train instead of feedback from people who dont know what they are talking about.

    Why fix it if its not broken?


  • #23
    Judomad
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    David Jones wrote: »
    Why do we have to seperate the practitioners who are fans from the fans who arent practitioners? So if this was set up, every mma practitioner on here would have to go and post an opinion on the UFC or Dream or whatever on a completely seperate forum or subforum? Why does that make sense?




    Can you not be both?



    So what your suggesting is a seperate forum for the UFC to accomodate people who are fans but dont train in mma while at the same time failing to accomodate mma practitioners who are fans and dont want to post on a forum where joe bloggs will be asking "Has anyone ever died from cage fighting" or "why arent they allowed eye gouge?" etc etc

    Surely true fans of the sport wont mind posting on this forum and they might even end up taking up the sport. They will be getting knowledgeable answers from people who train instead of feedback from people who dont know what they are talking about.

    Why fix it if its not broken?

    +1


  • #24
    dunkamania
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    David Jones wrote: »
    Why do we have to seperate the practitioners who are fans from the fans who arent practitioners? So if this was set up, every mma practitioner on here would have to go and post an opinion on the UFC or Dream or whatever on a completely seperate forum or subforum? Why does that make sense?




    Can you not be both?



    So what your suggesting is a seperate forum for the UFC to accomodate people who are fans but dont train in mma while at the same time failing to accomodate mma practitioners who are fans and dont want to post on a forum where joe bloggs will be asking "Has anyone ever died from cage fighting" or "why arent they allowed eye gouge?" etc etc

    Surely true fans of the sport wont mind posting on this forum and they might even end up taking up the sport. They will be getting knowledgeable answers from people who train instead of feedback from people who dont know what they are talking about.

    Why fix it if its not broken?

    All due respect Dave but those are fairly elitest arguements, the assumption that mma fans who dont participate in the sport are ignorant of the finer points of the sport is misguided. Bear in mind that the sport has exploded in popularity, the majority of mma fans are non-participants in the sport, whereas most if not all of the people who post on mma events in the SDMA forum are linked with the sport. Clearly a seperate forum for MMA fans would attract a broader spectrum of fans. As far as the occasional trollish comment from a Joe Bloggs about eye gouging, these shouldnt be a major issue. Is it really that hard to post on a seperate forum for non-local mma events?

    Also, its pretty clear that since I started posting on this forum a couple of years ago that threads relating to TMA have decreased significantly. Part of this is due to the explosion in MMA related sports, but I believe that alot of people have been avoiding SDMA because of the prevalence of UFC related threads.


  • #25
    David Jones
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    Also, its pretty clear that since I started posting on this forum a couple of years ago that threads relating to TMA have decreased significantly. Part of this is due to the explosion in MMA related sports, but I believe that alot of people have been avoiding SDMA because of the prevalence of UFC related threads.

    I doubt they are avoiding the SDMA because of the prevalence of UFC related threads. I would say its more due to the impression that what they practice is not respected by those involved in mma on here. I dont think I have ever posted on a UFC thread on this forum, maybe a prediction thread a couple of times. But discussing the ins and outs of Dana Whites next move bores the **** out of me, so I dont click on it.

    If this were a basketball forum, you wouldnt be asking for a seperate forum for people who only watch NBA basketball.
    Or a rugby forum where suddenly we need a Heineken Cup sub forum.
    This is a martial arts forum, the UFC is a martial arts based competition,MMA is mixed martial arts, I think therefore the rightful place to discuss such topics is the SDMA forum. When the Olympics come around in August, are we going to need a seperate Olympic forum? with Judo, Tae Kwon do and Wrestling sub forums? (this could be sub divided in to Greco and Freestyle subsub forums!), no we are not, I for one hope practitioners and fans of these will post here.

    If I'm being elitist, you are guilty of not crediting the average UFC fan with enough intelligence to say hmmm the UFC is about fighting, fighting = martial artists, martial artists = martial arts = selfdefence and martial arts forum, "I wonder if anyone discusses the UFC on there, lets click and find out!"

    Colms sticky post "welcome to the martial arts forum" states you can post on any topic (ma related ) you like, so there are no barriers to non practitioners posting, especially since you consider so many of them well versed in the finer points, hell we might even learn a thing or two from them.

    If you want to have a sub forum discussing what Dana had for breakfast or what toilet paper he uses etc etc go right ahead, but maybe that will have to go on the breakfast forum, the toilet forum or the Dana White forum? Where will it end?


  • #26
    Roper
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    I dunno, I think there might be merit in this. There's a lot of topics about what colour underwear Dana White wears or "Where was Joe Rogan for the last show" or "Affliction stocks rise 3c at COB today! Wow! Dana's gonna be pi55ed!"

    There's a lot of that goes on which to be fair, if I came in and saw it as a "martial arts" fan of any kind who'd never read the board before, I wouldn't post. There's a topic dedicated to that sort of day to day thing but people still open new ones. For example right now we have a 10 page topic on whether or not Dana White is going to make a corporate announcement to his staff. I know some people have an interest in this but you can see how the average kung fu or kratty fan isn't going to feel like this is somewhere he can post about his favourite kata.


  • #27
    David Jones
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    Maybe the answer is a "Trivial Crap regarding the UFC forum" and leave mma and discussion of the actual fights where they belong on the SDMA.


  • #28
    [Deleted User]
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    Roper wrote: »
    There's a topic dedicated to that sort of day to day thing but people still open new ones.

    I have to agree with you on that, that big thread was meant to keep from people starting a new thread everytime there was anything remotely related to MMA happening in the MMA world. Now obviously "Randy Couture resigns" and the realy big stories like that deserve their own thread but I do agree that a lot of topics could be kept the the one thread to eliminate the clutter. That way the talk about the random things to do with MMA goes on without stopping other people from startin discussions that would get lost in the traffic.


    Personally I enjoy talking about anything remotely to do with MMA as I love the sport but I keep it to the big thread as I dont want other peoples threads getting lost by starting a new thread everytime I wanna post a video interview etc....


  • #29
    dunkamania
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    Overall I have tried to stick to the uber thread, but given that at times it seems that there were 5 conversations happening at once in the uber thread, there was a need for additional threads.

    Like Neil1984, I love talking all things MMA, including Dana's breakfast, but I do understand that other people find it all tedious.
    If I'm being elitist, you are guilty of not crediting the average UFC fan with enough intelligence to say hmmm the UFC is about fighting, fighting = martial artists, martial artists = martial arts = selfdefence and martial arts forum, "I wonder if anyone discusses the UFC on there, lets click and find out!"

    I would have agreed with you Dave except that the average UFC fan hasnt made his way on to the SDMA forum.


  • #30
    Fozzy
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    Just another point that I'll throw in that I completely forgot about before: when I became a moderator of pro wrestling it was already in the charter that MMA talk was allowed on the forum. So now and again an MMA thread will be posted there and there's an intelligent discussion that goes on with mainly people who don't post on the martial arts forum. If the argument is that UFC fans will post about UFC on the martial arts forum anyway, then why haven't all these posters done that? I really think that more discussion would be encouraged in both parts of the forum if a split like that were to take place and that's my main argument. It can't just be the group of posters on pro wrestling who are MMA fans who don't post here about it


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  • #31
    Nothingcompares
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    David Jones wrote: »
    where joe bloggs will be asking "Has anyone ever died from cage fighting" or "why arent they allowed eye gouge?" etc etc

    Just as TMA guys are ridiculed from the ivory towers of the mma elite the joe bloggs ufc mans will be mocked and insulted by the mma aficionados. It all makes perfect sense to me SD/MA forum and MMA (the inside special) forum.


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