Steroids-are many non professionals using?

PCB · 12-06-2008 03:33PM #1

i am just wondering how commonplace abuse/use is among those that are just regular gym goers?

dave80 · 12-06-2008 03:40PM

PCB wrote: »

i am just wondering how commonplace abuse/use is among those that are just regular gym goers?

use of AAS is quite common with regular gym goers, some do a course every now and a few are on all year round, a lot of them dont look like there on though

gazzer · 12-06-2008 03:45PM

from the snippets of conversations I hear when I am in the gym working out it would APPEAR that a lot of guys are on them.. Could be just talk though.

Hanley · 12-06-2008 03:51PM

Isn't everyone using these days?

PCB · 12-06-2008 03:55PM

im a regular lifter and play Div 1 rugby and i only really saw a large increase in this the last 12 months or so. i have not partaken yet myself but i have seen some guys make very good gains with them. i just dont know about self prescribing pharmaceuticals.....not exactly safe is it?

dave80 · 12-06-2008 04:00PM

PCB wrote: »

im a regular lifter and play Div 1 rugby and i only really saw a large increase in this the last 12 months or so. i have not partaken yet myself but i have seen some guys make very good gains with them. i just dont know about self prescribing pharmaceuticals.....not exactly safe is it?

not safe for the uneducated, but a lot of users have a better understanding than doctors regarding AAS use

PCB · 12-06-2008 04:02PM

dave80 wrote: »

not safe for the uneducated, but a lot of users have a better understanding than doctors regarding AAS use

or do they just think they do?:D

Dragan · 12-06-2008 04:16PM

dave80 wrote: »

not safe for the uneducated, but a lot of users have a better understanding than doctors regarding AAS use

Another thing you need to think about is quality. You can know everything you want about cycles and PCT, get a bad batch and your ****ed.

At the end of the day, this is something you may be directly injecting into your body.

PCB · 12-06-2008 04:18PM

i wonder is it possible to get gp supervision for a cycle or does that go against all ethics?

dave80 · 12-06-2008 04:33PM

PCB wrote: »

i wonder is it possible to get gp supervision for a cycle or does that go against all ethics?

i know a guy that had regular blood tests done by his doctor, his doctor was fully aware wat he was taking, if ye go to your doctor and ask for a blood test he cant really so no!

amazingemmet · 12-06-2008 06:33PM

PCB wrote: »

i wonder is it possible to get gp supervision for a cycle or does that go against all ethics?

Dr's won't generally presrcribe them with out a proper reason but most will make sure you don't f*ck yourself up if you go to them. ie they'll do blood work for you etc, tell you if anything is going wrong etc.

Gillo · 12-06-2008 08:21PM

So where do they get they stuff? in general, don't go naming names here

I image your average dealer wouldn't have a clue what AAS is and chemists won't supply unless the doctor gives you a prescription.

Hanley · 13-06-2008 12:25AM

Gillo wrote: »

So where do they get they stuff? in general, don't go naming names here

I image your average dealer wouldn't have a clue what AAS is and chemists won't supply unless the doctor gives you a prescription.

Go to the biggest guy in your gym, ask him. So easy.

Oracle · 13-06-2008 12:57AM

It's disappointing if it's true that so many are using steroids. Regardless of the apparent benefits, these chemicals are the opposite of what sport, health and fitness are about, and should be avoided. Don't be fooled, there's no such thing as a free lunch, when it comes to your body and drugs.

Hanley · 13-06-2008 01:04AM

Oracle wrote: »

It's disappointing if it's true that so many are using steroids. Regardless of the apparent benefits, these chemicals are the opposite of what sport, health and fitness are about, and should be avoided. Don't be fooled, there's no such thing as a free lunch, when it comes to your body and drugs.

Competitive sport is about one thing and one thing only, winning. It is NOT about health and fitness.

#Smokey# · 13-06-2008 01:15AM

Gillo wrote: »

So where do they get they stuff? in general, don't go naming names here

I image your average dealer wouldn't have a clue what AAS is and chemists won't supply unless the doctor gives you a prescription.

They get it off the net usually if they dont know a local source and even if they do the prices here are a rip off i hear.I wouldnt imagine your local chemist having a bag of d-bol or winstrol in the back either

Degsy · 13-06-2008 09:39AM

If you dont know what you're doing the chances are you're gonna get ripped off.The market is swamped by fakes and counterfeits.Going online without any sort of inside knowledge is like walking into a flats complex in a suit and asking for an ounce of cocaine.

gabgab · 13-06-2008 12:04PM

I can understand this from an elite athletes point of view, this is what they spend their life doing, everything revolves around their discipline, and in sports where the difference between winning and 5th is so marginal then I can understand it.

A guy going to a gym, using stuff and pumping it into his system with not alot of education or knowledge just does not make sense to me,

Do they know the ins and outs, do they train the correct way for their goals, is their diet spot on for their goals,

All that said, you can accelerate it with this stuff, but how much of it stays on??

I would love some basic understanding of the ins and outs of it all,

transylman · 13-06-2008 12:12PM

gabgab wrote: »

I can understand this from an elite athletes point of view, this is what they spend their life doing, everything revolves around their discipline, and in sports where the difference between winning and 5th is so marginal then I can understand it.

A guy going to a gym, using stuff and pumping it into his system with not alot of education or knowledge just does not make sense to me,

Do they know the ins and outs, do they train the correct way for their goals, is their diet spot on for their goals,

All that said, you can accelerate it with this stuff, but how much of it stays on??

I would love some basic understanding of the ins and outs of it all,

This article has a pretty good overview of what you can expect.
http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,,2280111,00.html

pvt.joker · 13-06-2008 12:38PM

transylman wrote: »

This article has a pretty good overview of what you can expect.
http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,,2280111,00.html

thats pretty scary shít. You'd want to be out of your mind to take that crap

amazingemmet · 13-06-2008 12:52PM

transylman wrote: »

This article has a pretty good overview of what you can expect.
http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,,2280111,00.html

That article is a load of bull, the guy was taking 4-5times what he should of been taking without any clue as what to do properly. I also doubt most of his claims as he pretty much encountered every side effect possible even though he was using counter meds. Think about it a fiction writer writes an article about roids that he wants published in a mainstream newspaper.

pvt.joker · 13-06-2008 12:55PM

Im sorry but if something has possible side effects (no matter how small) of

a)my hair falling out
b) my balls shrinking
c) my skull expanding

I sure as hell wouldnt touch it no matter what the potential gains are

#Smokey# · 13-06-2008 01:29PM

yes but there are those who want to get that extra few kilos on their bench or lose that bit of fat who have reached their peak and then try it.

Money Shot · 13-06-2008 01:37PM

Hanley wrote: »

Competitive sport is about one thing and one thing only, winning. It is NOT about health and fitness.

Totally agree about competitive sport, but in relation to recreational users, the risk / reward analysis doesn't hold up for me. At the end of the day most recreational users goal's relate to looking more impressive in a t-shirt

. I think the benefits in this regard will be close to negligible for lots of people. Then, there is the risks, potential risks etc not to mention the cost. Nahhhh !!! Although a lot of people's analysis seems to point them towards taking the risk.:eek:

My perspective on roid use in general, is that it raises the bar of performance. Some might consider this a good thing, but in some sports it raises the bar to the point of being a barrier to entry. As a father who loves sport, it wouldn't sit well with me knowing that my child was getting into a competitive sport where it would be essential to take drugs in order to compete past a certain level. Would you be happy to let your child go down this road ? Would you trust the people advising, supplying ? Chances are you wouldn't know until it was probably too late.

crotalus667 · 13-06-2008 01:42PM

pvt.joker wrote: »

a)my hair falling out

This requires a genetic predisposition for male pattern baldness

pvt.joker wrote: »

b) my balls shrinking

Testicular atrophy is a temporary side effect that reverse’s with proper post cycle therapy or counter active measures during the cycle

pvt.joker wrote: »

c) my skull expanding

Steroids will not effect your skeletal structure in that way They can however give that impression by causing the moon face effect

gabgab · 13-06-2008 01:48PM

Ok so the stuff can be rectified by post cycles etc, but take 2 people, who both train well, clean diet, proper form, same calories per day etc,

One on a cycle, how long is one of these on average btw?

All things being equal,

What gains will one make over the other over the course of the cycle?
How long will they hold onto the gains?

Hanley · 13-06-2008 01:48PM

crotalus667 wrote: »

Steroids will not effect your skeletal structure in that way They can however give that impression by causing the moon face effect

GH may do tho. But you'd have to be an awful gobsh!te to consider it unless you're a competitive bodybuilder looking to take it to the next level.

There's so much mis-information out there. I know ALOT of guys who use, and they're not showing any sides.

crotalus667 · 13-06-2008 01:55PM

#Smokey# wrote: »

They get it off the net usually if they dont know a local source

99% of the websites are a rip-off that take the money and either send crap or don’t send anything (the latter being the most popular option) I know of a guy (not in Ireland) that has gotten stuff of the net but he came to the site via word of mouth not google,

#Smokey# wrote: »

I wouldnt imagine your local chemist having a bag of d-bol or winstrol in the back either

D-bol No winstrol maybe it's Spanish made so im assuming there is a legit use for it, Most steroids are reserved for cancer treatment so id assume they are disshed out mainly by Hospitals which makes me assume that your local chemist has very little if any in stock (keep in mind if you ask them to fill a script in the morning and they need to order it in it’s normally there after lunchtime so there is no need for them to keep high risk products on the premiseiss that might go off before they are needed)

#Smokey# · 13-06-2008 02:02PM

gabgab wrote: »

Ok so the stuff can be rectified by post cycles etc, but take 2 people, who both train well, clean diet, proper form, same calories per day etc,

One on a cycle, how long is one of these on average btw?

All things being equal,

What gains will one make over the other over the course of the cycle?
How long will they hold onto the gains?

Cycle length depends on what is used like an example cycle would be

500mg Test (1x Weekly)
30-50mg Dianabol (Each Day)

for 6 weeks

then PCT.

crotalus667 · 13-06-2008 02:10PM

gabgab wrote: »

Ok so the stuff can be rectified by post cycles etc, but take 2 people, who both train well, clean diet, proper form, same calories per day etc,
All things being equal,
What gains will one make over the other over the course of the cycle??

That’s really a null and void question , the guy on gear to use it to get the optimum advantage needs more cals than the natural guy plus his training needs to be on a different level to the natural guy , this is something that most guy’s taking gear don’t realise hence why you will come across guys taking huge amounts with relatively little to show for it

gabgab wrote: »

How long will they hold onto the gains?

That depeneds on pct diet training Lee Priest claims that he holds almost 100% of his gains but loses a decent amount of strength

gabgab wrote: »

One on a cycle, how long is one of these on average btw??

I think it’s time for Hanley’s patented “how log is a piece of string” It depends on meds, Orals only cycle it seems to be 8-10 weeks average (orals are very harsh on the liver) inject-abeles any thing from 3 weeks (short high intensity dosing is normally the only time a cycle this short is done) to permanently (not recommended) an average from other forums is 10-12 weeks maxing out about 20

#Smokey# · 13-06-2008 02:17PM

so crotalus how long you been juicing for lol

Steroids-are many non professionals using?

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