Steroids-are many non professionals using?

PCB

i am just wondering how commonplace abuse/use is among those that are just regular gym goers?

dave80

PCB wrote: »

i am just wondering how commonplace abuse/use is among those that are just regular gym goers?

use of AAS is quite common with regular gym goers, some do a course every now and a few are on all year round, a lot of them dont look like there on though

gazzer

from the snippets of conversations I hear when I am in the gym working out it would APPEAR that a lot of guys are on them.. Could be just talk though.

Hanley

Isn't everyone using these days?

PCB

im a regular lifter and play Div 1 rugby and i only really saw a large increase in this the last 12 months or so. i have not partaken yet myself but i have seen some guys make very good gains with them. i just dont know about self prescribing pharmaceuticals.....not exactly safe is it?

dave80

PCB wrote: »

im a regular lifter and play Div 1 rugby and i only really saw a large increase in this the last 12 months or so. i have not partaken yet myself but i have seen some guys make very good gains with them. i just dont know about self prescribing pharmaceuticals.....not exactly safe is it?

not safe for the uneducated, but a lot of users have a better understanding than doctors regarding AAS use

PCB

dave80 wrote: »

not safe for the uneducated, but a lot of users have a better understanding than doctors regarding AAS use

or do they just think they do?:D

Dragan

dave80 wrote: »

not safe for the uneducated, but a lot of users have a better understanding than doctors regarding AAS use

Another thing you need to think about is quality. You can know everything you want about cycles and PCT, get a bad batch and your ****ed.

At the end of the day, this is something you may be directly injecting into your body.

PCB

i wonder is it possible to get gp supervision for a cycle or does that go against all ethics?

dave80

PCB wrote: »

i wonder is it possible to get gp supervision for a cycle or does that go against all ethics?

i know a guy that had regular blood tests done by his doctor, his doctor was fully aware wat he was taking, if ye go to your doctor and ask for a blood test he cant really so no!

amazingemmet

PCB wrote: »

i wonder is it possible to get gp supervision for a cycle or does that go against all ethics?

Dr's won't generally presrcribe them with out a proper reason but most will make sure you don't f*ck yourself up if you go to them. ie they'll do blood work for you etc, tell you if anything is going wrong etc.

Gillo

So where do they get they stuff? in general, don't go naming names here

I image your average dealer wouldn't have a clue what AAS is and chemists won't supply unless the doctor gives you a prescription.

Hanley

Gillo wrote: »

So where do they get they stuff? in general, don't go naming names here

I image your average dealer wouldn't have a clue what AAS is and chemists won't supply unless the doctor gives you a prescription.

Go to the biggest guy in your gym, ask him. So easy.

Oracle

It's disappointing if it's true that so many are using steroids. Regardless of the apparent benefits, these chemicals are the opposite of what sport, health and fitness are about, and should be avoided. Don't be fooled, there's no such thing as a free lunch, when it comes to your body and drugs.

Hanley

Oracle wrote: »

It's disappointing if it's true that so many are using steroids. Regardless of the apparent benefits, these chemicals are the opposite of what sport, health and fitness are about, and should be avoided. Don't be fooled, there's no such thing as a free lunch, when it comes to your body and drugs.

Competitive sport is about one thing and one thing only, winning. It is NOT about health and fitness.

#Smokey#

Gillo wrote: »

So where do they get they stuff? in general, don't go naming names here

I image your average dealer wouldn't have a clue what AAS is and chemists won't supply unless the doctor gives you a prescription.

They get it off the net usually if they dont know a local source and even if they do the prices here are a rip off i hear.I wouldnt imagine your local chemist having a bag of d-bol or winstrol in the back either

Degsy

If you dont know what you're doing the chances are you're gonna get ripped off.The market is swamped by fakes and counterfeits.Going online without any sort of inside knowledge is like walking into a flats complex in a suit and asking for an ounce of cocaine.

gabgab

I can understand this from an elite athletes point of view, this is what they spend their life doing, everything revolves around their discipline, and in sports where the difference between winning and 5th is so marginal then I can understand it.

A guy going to a gym, using stuff and pumping it into his system with not alot of education or knowledge just does not make sense to me,

Do they know the ins and outs, do they train the correct way for their goals, is their diet spot on for their goals,

All that said, you can accelerate it with this stuff, but how much of it stays on??

I would love some basic understanding of the ins and outs of it all,

transylman

gabgab wrote: »

I can understand this from an elite athletes point of view, this is what they spend their life doing, everything revolves around their discipline, and in sports where the difference between winning and 5th is so marginal then I can understand it.

A guy going to a gym, using stuff and pumping it into his system with not alot of education or knowledge just does not make sense to me,

Do they know the ins and outs, do they train the correct way for their goals, is their diet spot on for their goals,

All that said, you can accelerate it with this stuff, but how much of it stays on??

I would love some basic understanding of the ins and outs of it all,

This article has a pretty good overview of what you can expect.
http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,,2280111,00.html

pvt.joker

transylman wrote: »

This article has a pretty good overview of what you can expect.
http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,,2280111,00.html

thats pretty scary shít. You'd want to be out of your mind to take that crap

amazingemmet

transylman wrote: »

This article has a pretty good overview of what you can expect.
http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,,2280111,00.html

That article is a load of bull, the guy was taking 4-5times what he should of been taking without any clue as what to do properly. I also doubt most of his claims as he pretty much encountered every side effect possible even though he was using counter meds. Think about it a fiction writer writes an article about roids that he wants published in a mainstream newspaper.

pvt.joker

Im sorry but if something has possible side effects (no matter how small) of

a)my hair falling out
b) my balls shrinking
c) my skull expanding

I sure as hell wouldnt touch it no matter what the potential gains are

#Smokey#

yes but there are those who want to get that extra few kilos on their bench or lose that bit of fat who have reached their peak and then try it.

Money Shot

Hanley wrote: »

Competitive sport is about one thing and one thing only, winning. It is NOT about health and fitness.

Totally agree about competitive sport, but in relation to recreational users, the risk / reward analysis doesn't hold up for me. At the end of the day most recreational users goal's relate to looking more impressive in a t-shirt . I think the benefits in this regard will be close to negligible for lots of people. Then, there is the risks, potential risks etc not to mention the cost. Nahhhh !!! Although a lot of people's analysis seems to point them towards taking the risk.:eek:

My perspective on roid use in general, is that it raises the bar of performance. Some might consider this a good thing, but in some sports it raises the bar to the point of being a barrier to entry. As a father who loves sport, it wouldn't sit well with me knowing that my child was getting into a competitive sport where it would be essential to take drugs in order to compete past a certain level. Would you be happy to let your child go down this road ? Would you trust the people advising, supplying ? Chances are you wouldn't know until it was probably too late.

crotalus667

pvt.joker wrote: »

a)my hair falling out

This requires a genetic predisposition for male pattern baldness

pvt.joker wrote: »

b) my balls shrinking

Testicular atrophy is a temporary side effect that reverse’s with proper post cycle therapy or counter active measures during the cycle

pvt.joker wrote: »

c) my skull expanding

Steroids will not effect your skeletal structure in that way They can however give that impression by causing the moon face effect

gabgab

Ok so the stuff can be rectified by post cycles etc, but take 2 people, who both train well, clean diet, proper form, same calories per day etc,

One on a cycle, how long is one of these on average btw?

All things being equal,

What gains will one make over the other over the course of the cycle?
How long will they hold onto the gains?

Hanley

crotalus667 wrote: »

Steroids will not effect your skeletal structure in that way They can however give that impression by causing the moon face effect

GH may do tho. But you'd have to be an awful gobsh!te to consider it unless you're a competitive bodybuilder looking to take it to the next level.

There's so much mis-information out there. I know ALOT of guys who use, and they're not showing any sides.

crotalus667

#Smokey# wrote: »

They get it off the net usually if they dont know a local source

99% of the websites are a rip-off that take the money and either send crap or don’t send anything (the latter being the most popular option) I know of a guy (not in Ireland) that has gotten stuff of the net but he came to the site via word of mouth not google,

#Smokey# wrote: »

I wouldnt imagine your local chemist having a bag of d-bol or winstrol in the back either

D-bol No winstrol maybe it's Spanish made so im assuming there is a legit use for it, Most steroids are reserved for cancer treatment so id assume they are disshed out mainly by Hospitals which makes me assume that your local chemist has very little if any in stock (keep in mind if you ask them to fill a script in the morning and they need to order it in it’s normally there after lunchtime so there is no need for them to keep high risk products on the premiseiss that might go off before they are needed)

#Smokey#

gabgab wrote: »

Ok so the stuff can be rectified by post cycles etc, but take 2 people, who both train well, clean diet, proper form, same calories per day etc,

One on a cycle, how long is one of these on average btw?

All things being equal,

What gains will one make over the other over the course of the cycle?
How long will they hold onto the gains?

Cycle length depends on what is used like an example cycle would be

500mg Test (1x Weekly)
30-50mg Dianabol (Each Day)

for 6 weeks

then PCT.

crotalus667

gabgab wrote: »

Ok so the stuff can be rectified by post cycles etc, but take 2 people, who both train well, clean diet, proper form, same calories per day etc,
All things being equal,
What gains will one make over the other over the course of the cycle??

That’s really a null and void question , the guy on gear to use it to get the optimum advantage needs more cals than the natural guy plus his training needs to be on a different level to the natural guy , this is something that most guy’s taking gear don’t realise hence why you will come across guys taking huge amounts with relatively little to show for it

gabgab wrote: »

How long will they hold onto the gains?

That depeneds on pct diet training Lee Priest claims that he holds almost 100% of his gains but loses a decent amount of strength

gabgab wrote: »

One on a cycle, how long is one of these on average btw??

I think it’s time for Hanley’s patented “how log is a piece of string” It depends on meds, Orals only cycle it seems to be 8-10 weeks average (orals are very harsh on the liver) inject-abeles any thing from 3 weeks (short high intensity dosing is normally the only time a cycle this short is done) to permanently (not recommended) an average from other forums is 10-12 weeks maxing out about 20

#Smokey#

so crotalus how long you been juicing for lol

Degsy

transylman wrote: »

This article has a pretty good overview of what you can expect.
http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,,2280111,00.html

That article made me laugh out load.A pack of lies.he got everything from "cranial growth" to shrunken balls and hair falling out within a couple of days.I also laughed when he could suddenly pick up the 100lb dumbells and rep them out,inside a week or two of starting his "cycle".The before and after pics show somebody before who never worked out in thier lives and after somebody who did a bit of a cut but hasnt put on an ounce of muscle.Complete made-up nonsense.

dave80

gabgab wrote: »

One on a cycle, how long is one of these on average btw?

bout 10 weeks is average, orals should be taking for 4 weeks max

Hanley

Degsy wrote: »

That article made me laugh out load.A pack of lies.he got everything from "cranial growth" to shrunken balls and hair falling out within a couple of days.I also laughed when he could suddenly pick up the 100lb dumbells and rep them out,inside a week or two of starting his "cycle".The before and after pics show somebody before who never worked out in thier lives and after somebody who did a bit of a cut but hasnt put on an ounce of muscle.Complete made-up nonsense.

crotalus667 wrote: »

That’s really a null and void question , the guy on gear to use it to get the optimum advantage needs more cals than the natural guy plus his training needs to be on a different level to the natural guy , this is something that most guy’s taking gear don’t realise hence why you will come across guys taking huge amounts with relatively little to show for it

HERE HERE!!!!

crotalus667

On another note I recently read the article when it was published I think it’s fake based on this “1cc of Equipoise - a veterinary drug normally injected into beef cattle - and 2cc of Testosterone Cypionate” for those that don’t know 1 cc = 1 ml dosage of Equipoise is 200-400 mg while Equipoise - is a veterinary drug and the mg to ml ratio can vary slightly from country to country the highest it is normally found (particularly in Europe where he claims to have gotten his stuff) is only 50mg per 1 ml/cc so it’s stacked with something else I hear you say the test is about 200mg per ml/cc so that’s an ok dose of Testosterone Cypionate but Testosterone Cypionate is more associated with being a base for serious bulking while Equipoise is also considered as a base but for lean bulking , if some one is selling them preloaded (which I doubt they are) I cant see them doing up batch’s of an un popular mix , plus test cyp is normally done twice weekly

IMO he is just trying to make money off the article and book , in a very lazy manner let’s face it he didn’t even bother to check to see if he got the doses right , he picked one because it has “Testosterone” in the name and the other he chose for the shock value he can get from Joe public by telling them it given to “beef cattle”

crotalus667

#Smokey# wrote: »

so crotalus how long you been juicing for lol

LOL I have'nt Although I will freely admit to doing extensive research on the subject

#Smokey#

oh so they musta been b12 injections you were gettin then eh?

oh just found this also stating that steroids are legal to possess here but selling is illegal. Might help you with your research

http://www.athlone.ie/drugawareness/drug_facts.htm#steroids

Pen1987

Just go out and fake asthma like alot of elite rugby players, then your Doc can perscribe you some steriods and you wont even fail tests down the line. Lovely jubbly.

g'em

Pen1987 wrote: »

Just go out and fake asthma like alot of elite rugby players, then your Doc can perscribe you some steriods and you wont even fail tests down the line. Lovely jubbly.

Pray tell, explain to me the benefit that a corticosteroid will have for a rugby player (aside for it's anti-asthmatic properties...)

crotalus667

#Smokey# wrote: »

oh so they musta been b12 injections you were gettin then eh?

What your girlfriend sticks in my arse is between her me and a guy named Hans :D:D

#Smokey# wrote: »

oh just found this also stating that steroids are legal to possess here but selling is illegal. Might help you with your research

I was aware that was the case in the uk but I was unsure about their status over here

(I wonder what the story is with the needles )


"Signs & symptoms
1. Predominantly used by body builders, the effects are physically obvious. (Duh) "

Pen1987

Im no expert in either field but I did notice the jump in numbers of rugby players with ashtma in the last 8/10 years which is hugely disproportionate to the rest of the population.

crotalus667

g'em wrote: »

Pray tell, explain to me the benefit that a corticosteroid will have for a rugby player (aside for it's anti-asthmatic properties...)

Ive heard of anti-asthmatic drugs being used for endurence athletes but not much else , ps im sure it not that easy to fake asthma:rolleyes:

dave80

Pen1987 wrote: »

Just go out and fake asthma like alot of elite rugby players, then your Doc can perscribe you some steriods and you wont even fail tests down the line. Lovely jubbly.

two different types of steroids, 1. anabolic steriods (grow or increase)
2. cortico steroids (decrease inflamation etc)

crotalus667

Pen1987 wrote: »

Im no expert in either field but I did notice the jump in numbers of rugby players with ashtma in the last 8/10 years which is hugely disproportionate to the rest of the population.

The jump in asthma in the population has been more prominent in the younger generations so it is only reasonable to expect that it show it’s self in sports played by said generation plus modern drugs have come along way in helping asthmatics play sports where a few years back they would have to sit on the side lines

g'em

Pen1987 wrote: »

Im no expert in either field but I did notice the jump in numbers of rugby players with ashtma in the last 8/10 years which is hugely disproportionate to the rest of the population.

More rugby players in general = more rugby players with asthma.

Bronchodilators and corticosteroids are used by BBers, but they have very, very mildly anabolic properties and they're used mostly for fat loss thanks to their metabolism speeding side effects - Clenbuterol is a prime example.

brianthebard

Pen1987 wrote: »

Just go out and fake asthma like alot of elite rugby players, then your Doc can perscribe you some steriods and you wont even fail tests down the line. Lovely jubbly.

lolz pen if that was true i'd be hyoge.also they can still fail tests one of the scottish players almost missed out on the 6 nations because of this.finally what ratio do you consider to be disproportional to the general populace?
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amazingemmet

pvt.joker wrote: »

Im sorry but if something has possible side effects (no matter how small) of

a)my hair falling out
b) my balls shrinking
c) my skull expanding

I sure as hell wouldnt touch it no matter what the potential gains are

Have you ever read the possible side effects of otc anti-histamine tablets?

g'em

amazingemmet wrote: »

Have you ever read the possible side effects of otc anti-histamine tablets?

LOL, indeed!! Try coming to terms with hormonal contraceptive side-effects

crotalus667

amazingemmet wrote: »

Have you ever read the possible side effects of otc anti-histamine tablets?

on one of the more popular anti-runs meds it lists something on the lines of “rectal paralysis” :D:D:D

amazingemmet

crotalus667 wrote: »

on one of the more popular anti-runs meds it lists something on the lines of “rectal paralysis” :D:D:D

That made me lol enough to get people to look at me

Degsy

crotalus667 wrote: »

IMO he is just trying to make money off the article and book , in a very lazy manner let’s face it he didn’t even bother to check to see if he got the doses right , he picked one because it has “Testosterone” in the name and the other he chose for the shock value he can
get from Joe public by telling them it given to “beef cattle”

He made the whole thing up.He googled steroids,doses,modes on ingstion and side effects and cobbled the whole lot together to deceive people who know no better.I mean,what sides do you get after three days of usage?Gyno?Hair loss?Acrmegealy?Bullshiit.he THOUGHT you get sides after a few days becaues he doesnt know any better.He never mentioned acne on the back for example.Look at his "before" pic,he has never lifted a weight in his life.Look at his "after" pic,he still doesnt look like somebody who's spent any time training.This is where his lack of knowledege shows through again.No amount of steroids will get somebody who looked like "before" to benching thier body weight in a matter of weeks.He made the whole thing up,its fraudulent..screw him.