Pitch And Putt

Offaly Qualifiers @ Ferbane

William Buckley Jnr Erry 85
Larry Maher Jnr Erry 91
Joe McGrath Jnr Erry 93
Paul O'Gorman Tullamore 94
Patsy Reams Ferbane 94
Mick Byrne Tullamore 95 (OB18)
Anthony Galvin Tullamore 95 (OB18)

Ferbane was quite soft, greens were decent. Personally I was delighted to qualify, as I'd a rough week, haven't hit a ball since the matchplay, and was dying with Hay Fever! Needed to sink a tasty l to r 6 footer for par, or else I was gone. :eek:

All credit to the Cork scoring, don'tknow what Mallow is like but jebus that was some scoring.
Can't see the scoring being that good in Tullamore however.

HITMANHEALY wrote: »

Only have time to do the seniors will post the inter and juniors late on

Second Round Ties

L Collins (cy) v F Ryan (RGSC)
S Harkins RGSC v PJ McCluskey (Lucan)
G Flanagan bye to the Quater Finals
D Thornberry (CPM) v G Healy (Loughlinstown)
A Gray (Glenville) v G Heffernan (Erins Isle)
F Connolly (Glenville) v G Fitzpatrick (CPM)
A Cuddihy (CPM) v A Lowe (OC)
J McLaughlin (EI) v Paul Nolan (EI)

Howdi lads,
Some good games last night only disappointing thing was a lot of walkovers, a whole section didn't turn up for Flanagan to get through to the 1/4's. Personally I dont think midweek comps work in Dublin anymore, league matches aside which is usually only once a week. Having to travel for up to 2 hours (erins Isle lads last night) after work 3 or 4 times a week is a bit too much too ask I feel. What do the country folk think? How do the midweek comps work down there?

doylers08 wrote: »

Here are the senior qualifiers from cork.


J Cahill (Fermoy) 82, 26 under par, course record;
J Walsh (Collins) 84;
N Collins (Majestic) 87;
K Dunscombe (St Anne’s) 92;
F Dineen (St.Annes) 93;
B Delaney (ESB) 94;
C Scannell (Collins) 94;
E Walsh (Collins) 94;
G O’Sullivan (Majestic) 94;
R Donovan (Fermoy) 94;
D Doyle (Elton, Cobh) 95;
E Shannon (Collins) 95;
F O’Donoghue (Templebreedy) 95;
P O’Sullivan (Majestic) 95;
P Curran (Majestic) 96.

Thats unbelievable scoring, 82 is the lowest 36 score I've heard of, anyone else?

Tipperman wrote: »

Jabba

In Tipp we only have 2 midweek Comps outside the National Matchplay Quals... We have Strokeplay quals before the Co Matchplay on the Wed before the finals which are on the Sunday.. I would have to say that numbers in general are always around the same which is about 24 etc... The Inters and Juniors have club quals and how many quals each club gets depends on entries etc.. The other mid week we play is just a County Trial so only those entered for the County Team are permitted to play in this...
Something I was thinking from Dublin perpective would be.. Is it not easier to play 4 rounds of 18 holes on the Sat and then play 2 rounds of 36 holes on the Sunday.. It seems a little farcical that a lad can turn up and make the Quarter Final without playing a match... It should be run over two days. If the entry was very high let there be club quals and highest entry in each club gets more quals etc.... It would be a better competition in my view

Yeah, the general feeling is that it would work much better on the weekend, it was tried once AFAIK. Entries this year is the lowest for a few years, less then 50, wen you consider the Dulblin S/Play, All Ireland S/Play usually gets about 90 players, its low. Mainly the northside entry was poor because of the travelling I presume, if the latter stages werent in Erins Isle I'd say it would be worse.

The day of Midweek qualifying is over as far as I'm concerned. This was a point I was trying to make in regards to the National Scramble position at the start of the season. That was a full weekend where the national matchplay qualifiers could take place.
Life isn't as simple as it was 20 yrs ago (although with they way the economy is going it soon could be again ) and people don't work or live on the doorstep of the Pitch and Putt club. Dublin city in particular is getting ridiculous for travel. I was at Heuston at 7.30 this morning and the queue up the quays was to the croppy acre.
And while I'm at it, the whole northside southside thing is good in practice, but what if you're a member of Shandon and you work in Tallaght? You're poxed thats what.
The Dublin Matchplay is definitely the tournament that should be converted to the weekend. Its a prime tournament, one that gets a lot of coverage and as someone said already its a big ask of players to travel for up to 2.5 hours for 4 nights in a week.

For me I work 50 miles away from where I live, 75 from my home course and 85 from where my qualifiers were for the Nat MPlay. I had to switch shifts so I could play first of all and to do this meant I was leaving the house at 5.30 am and not getting home till 10.30 pm. Thats an awful lot for P+P. Obviously thats my choice and thats fine. So its not just the city players either.

Lads,
Something I wanted to throw out.
Do any of ye think its a bit silly to have the County and Provincial Matchplays after the national matchplay. I was a bit taken aback at the apathy (from what I read on the Dublin website) of the players to the Leinster Matchplay and I'm a bit stunned at the poor numbers at the Dublin matchplay.

What do people think of the calender as it stands.

Tipperman wrote: »

Kingdom

Well done on qual as I can only imagine the torment of not qual when you are due to play on your home course:o

Majestic is a nice course in Mallow where the Cork boys were playing.. I was fortunate to win the Scr Cup there last year but if you are not pitching well you won't score as you have to be on the right side of the greens.. It is small and tight (like a lot of courses in Cork) but there are some lovely shots there..-26 I have yet to manage myself but that is incredible scoring no matter what the course you are playing on...

Tullamore will be very interesting... -26 won there in 2004 and that was when William Buckley was to play the round of his life to prevail... I feel they will try and toughen up the course to keep the scoring down but the Scr Cup in 2 weeks time will be a nice dress rehearsal. I can't make the Scr Cup as it clashes with Hillview and that is a County Trial for us....

Eddie Carey didn't qual in Kildare so there is a big player gone from playing in Tullamore.. He has won the last 3 comps that have been held there but he didn't even turn up to the quals which is weird considering how well he plays Tullamore

Yes Tipperman, I wasn't too worried about qualifying until about 9 holes from the end, I tried to imagine what it would be like to watch and decided it would be better to make it in
Carey not being in is a boost to everyone as you confirmed what I was thinking , that he has won the last 3 scr cups there.
I had heard that majestic was a typical cork course and a fellow P+P player thought I was belittling the score. Far from it 82 is an achievement, the closest I've seen is Geo McGreal hitting an 84 in Cloghogue the first time he played it. Even still scores don't carry so it doesn't matter whether it was 82 or 102 we're all back to 0 now!
As for Tullamore, I don't see much being done to tighten the place up. The greens aren't being soaked which means they are firm but receptive, which is a novelty in this day and age, but it certainly won't be to anyone's advantage. I can assure you of the 3 tullamore men that qualified only 1 is a local and he will be a big threat on the day as he is living in the place this year.
The Scr cup in two weeks will be interesing although I don't think I'll be there myself.

Kingdom wrote: »

Lads,
Something I wanted to throw out.
Do any of ye think its a bit silly to have the County and Provincial Matchplays after the national matchplay. I was a bit taken aback at the apathy (from what I read on the Dublin website) of the players to the Leinster Matchplay and I'm a bit stunned at the poor numbers at the Dublin matchplay.

What do people think of the calender as it stands.

Kingdom, I dont see any relationship between the timing of the M/plays in relation to the National, it would just make the calender to top heavy to have them all in sequence. The calender is a loads of balls the way its set up to have the National M/Play finals, S/play Qual & Dublin M/play within 7 days of each other is a joke! It all stems from the PPUI structure, as there Scramble knocked the Dublin S/play out of sync which in turn knocked the M/play out of sync because the DCB wanted the Dublin S/play before the National S/Play

As for the Leinster, its always had a apathetic opinion in Dublin, putting the Qual in Ltown did it no favours, the last time it was on it had a S/PLay qualifier which worked well & personally I'd be in favour of that as it gives it its own character as a tournament.

Jabba Da Putt wrote: »

Kingdom, I dont see any relationship between the timing of the M/plays in relation to the National, it would just make the calender to top heavy to have them all in sequence. The calender is a loads of balls the way its set up to have the National M/Play finals, S/play Qual & Dublin M/play within 7 days of each other is a joke! It all stems from the PPUI structure, as there Scramble knocked the Dublin S/play out of sync which in turn knocked the M/play out of sync because the DCB wanted the Dublin S/play before the National S/Play

As for the Leinster, its always had a apathetic opinion in Dublin, putting the Qual in Ltown did it no favours, the last time it was on it had a S/PLay qualifier which worked well & personally I'd be in favour of that as it gives it its own character as a tournament.

somthing I've never understood either Jabba! Its not as if there's lots of majors jangling about!
I'll throw up a test Calendar and see what yis make of it.

Tipperman wrote: »

Right the gloves are off so lets start swinging

If you hold the above comps in this order this in my opinion is what should happen.

If you win Co Matchplay, you are automatic to Prov Matchplay and National Matchplay. If you failed to win Co Matchplay but won Prov Match you are auto to National Matchplay. Take Munster for example, you are talking about 6 auto to Prov and 7 autos to National(provided the winner of Prov has not already won their County) You should get some sort of carrot for winning any of these comps. I believe this would be a great success as you are talking about 7 players from Munster being auto for the Matchplay and 12 approx from Leinster. This still leaves up to 44-46 quals to reach the finals....One positive thing to take from it is that you have all your Co Champions and Prov Champions in the National Comps

The Strokeplay would be run on the same basis but this time the Inter & Junior Grades would be included. In the Strokeplay from a Senior Perpective would mean that you have almost 20 auto quals and another 60 to make the finals.. I am not sure as to the total of Inters & Juniors that make these finals but the same principal applies.

Yeah something like this would make sense very GAA like, backdoor & everthing!! My opinion was just on the basis of having them in sequence for the sake of it isnt worth it but if there's a purpose to it its a good idea.

Tipperman wrote: »

Right the gloves are off so lets start swinging

If you hold the above comps in this order this in my opinion is what should happen.

If you win Co Matchplay, you are automatic to Prov Matchplay and National Matchplay. If you failed to win Co Matchplay but won Prov Match you are auto to National Matchplay. Take Munster for example, you are talking about 6 auto to Prov and 7 autos to National(provided the winner of Prov has not already won their County) You should get some sort of carrot for winning any of these comps. I believe this would be a great success as you are talking about 7 players from Munster being auto for the Matchplay and 12 approx from Leinster. This still leaves up to 44-46 quals to reach the finals....One positive thing to take from it is that you have all your Co Champions and Prov Champions in the National Comps

The Strokeplay would be run on the same basis but this time the Inter & Junior Grades would be included. In the Strokeplay from a Senior Perpective would mean that you have almost 20 auto quals and another 60 to make the finals.. I am not sure as to the total of Inters & Juniors that make these finals but the same principal applies.

Ok discussion this is good ! Tipperman, the scenario you present above is interesting. Would you be required to enter each competition individually or would you just enter a singular matchplay championship and then be sectioned off as each competition passes?
What would happen if someone was able to compete in the Leinster Matchplay having won their county matchplay? Would the runner up go through automatically as a replacement?