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Jabba Da Putt

Kingdom wrote: »

Lads,
Something I wanted to throw out.
Do any of ye think its a bit silly to have the County and Provincial Matchplays after the national matchplay. I was a bit taken aback at the apathy (from what I read on the Dublin website) of the players to the Leinster Matchplay and I'm a bit stunned at the poor numbers at the Dublin matchplay.

What do people think of the calender as it stands.

Kingdom, I dont see any relationship between the timing of the M/plays in relation to the National, it would just make the calender to top heavy to have them all in sequence. The calender is a loads of balls the way its set up to have the National M/Play finals, S/play Qual & Dublin M/play within 7 days of each other is a joke! It all stems from the PPUI structure, as there Scramble knocked the Dublin S/play out of sync which in turn knocked the M/play out of sync because the DCB wanted the Dublin S/play before the National S/Play

As for the Leinster, its always had a apathetic

opinion in Dublin, putting the Qual in Ltown did it no favours, the last time it was on it had a S/PLay qualifier which worked well & personally I'd be in favour of that as it gives it its own character as a tournament.

Kingdom

Draupnir wrote: »

I was very surprised by the order of how these competitions are played myself, surely it should be:

County championships > Provincial Championships > National Championships

That would be how I see it too Draupnir, it would mean moving the National Matchplay to the August weekend, which would not be popular as far as I can tell.

Kingdom

Tipperman wrote: »

Kingdom

Well done on qual as I can only imagine the torment of not qual when you are due to play on your home course:o

Majestic is a nice course in Mallow where the Cork boys were playing.. I was fortunate to win the Scr Cup there last year but if you are not pitching well you won't score as you have to be on the right side of the greens.. It is small and tight (like a lot of courses in Cork) but there are some lovely shots there..-26 I have yet to manage myself but that is incredible scoring no matter what the course you are playing on...

Tullamore will be very interesting... -26 won there in 2004 and that was when William Buckley was to play the round of his life to prevail... I feel they will try and toughen up the course to keep the scoring down but the Scr Cup in 2 weeks time will be a nice dress rehearsal. I can't make the Scr Cup as it clashes with Hillview and that is a County Trial for us....

Eddie Carey didn't qual in Kildare so there is a big player gone from playing in Tullamore.. He has won the last 3 comps that have been held there but he didn't even turn up to the quals which is weird considering how well he plays Tullamore

Yes Tipperman, I wasn't too worried about qualifying until about 9 holes from the end, I tried to imagine what it would be like to watch and decided it would be better to make it in

Carey not being in is a boost to everyone as you confirmed what I was thinking , that he has won the last 3 scr cups there.
I had heard that majestic was a typical cork course and a fellow P+P player thought I was belittling the score. Far from it 82 is an achievement, the closest I've seen is Geo McGreal hitting an 84 in Cloghogue the first time he played it. Even still scores don't carry so it doesn't matter whether it was 82 or 102 we're all back to 0 now!
As for Tullamore, I don't see much being done to tighten the place up. The greens aren't being soaked which means they are firm but receptive, which is a novelty in this day and age, but it certainly won't be to anyone's advantage. I can assure you of the 3 tullamore men that qualified only 1 is a local and he will be a big threat on the day as he is living in the place this year.
The Scr cup in two weeks will be interesing although I don't think I'll be there myself.

Draupnir

I was very surprised by the order of how these competitions are played myself, surely it should be:

County championships > Provincial Championships > National Championships

Kingdom

Lads,
Something I wanted to throw out.
Do any of ye think its a bit silly to have the County and Provincial Matchplays after the national matchplay. I was a bit taken aback at the apathy (from what I read on the Dublin website) of the players to the Leinster Matchplay and I'm a bit stunned at the poor numbers at the Dublin matchplay.

What do people think of the calender as it stands.

Draupnir

I agree with you Kingdom and your example is basically my situation, member of Shandon working in Dun Laoghaire! Loughlinstown qualifying would have been great for me but thats the choice we make.

That's one serious commute you have by the way!

Kingdom

The day of Midweek qualifying is over as far as I'm concerned. This was a point I was trying to make in regards to the National Scramble position at the start of the season. That was a full weekend where the national matchplay qualifiers could take place.
Life isn't as simple as it was 20 yrs ago (although with they way the economy is going it soon could be again

) and people don't work or live on the doorstep of the Pitch and Putt club. Dublin city in particular is getting ridiculous for travel. I was at Heuston at 7.30 this morning and the queue up the quays was to the croppy acre.
And while I'm at it, the whole northside southside thing is good in practice, but what if you're a member of Shandon and you work in Tallaght? You're poxed thats what.
The Dublin Matchplay is definitely the tournament that should be converted to the weekend. Its a prime tournament, one that gets a lot of coverage and as someone said already its a big ask of players to travel for up to 2.5 hours for 4 nights in a week.

For me I work 50 miles away from where I live, 75 from my home course and 85 from where my qualifiers were for the Nat MPlay. I had to switch shifts so I could play first of all and to do this meant I was leaving the house at 5.30 am and not getting home till 10.30 pm. Thats an awful lot for P+P. Obviously thats my choice and thats fine. So its not just the city players either.

Draupnir

Jabba Da Putt wrote: »

Howdi lads,
Some good games last night only disappointing thing was a lot of walkovers, a whole section didn't turn up for Flanagan to get through to the 1/4's. Personally I dont think midweek comps work in Dublin anymore, league matches aside which is usually only once a week. Having to travel for up to 2 hours (erins Isle lads last night) after work 3 or 4 times a week is a bit too much too ask I feel. What do the country folk think? How do the midweek comps work down there?

I would agree with this, I had to drive from Dun Laoghaire to Erin's Isle last night. Leaving work at 5pm got me to Erin's Isle at 6:45 and that was only with some imaginative use of the bus lane on Pearse Street! My game got going at 6:55 so I got no warm up whatsoever.

Jabba Da Putt

Tipperman wrote: »

Jabba

In Tipp we only have 2 midweek Comps outside the National Matchplay Quals... We have Strokeplay quals before the Co Matchplay on the Wed before the finals which are on the Sunday.. I would have to say that numbers in general are always around the same which is about 24 etc... The Inters and Juniors have club quals and how many quals each club gets depends on entries etc.. The other mid week we play is just a County Trial so only those entered for the County Team are permitted to play in this...
Something I was thinking from Dublin perpective would be.. Is it not easier to play 4 rounds of 18 holes on the Sat and then play 2 rounds of 36 holes on the Sunday.. It seems a little farcical that a lad can turn up and make the Quarter Final without playing a match... It should be run over two days. If the entry was very high let there be club quals and highest entry in each club gets more quals etc.... It would be a better competition in my view

Yeah, the general feeling is that it would work much better on the weekend, it was tried once AFAIK. Entries this year is the lowest for a few years, less then 50, wen you consider the Dulblin S/Play, All Ireland S/Play usually gets about 90 players, its low. Mainly the northside entry was poor because of the travelling I presume, if the latter stages werent in Erins Isle I'd say it would be worse.

Tipperman

HITMANHEALY wrote: »

U could play 1 match on a Friday then 3 18 hole matches on a Saturday and 2 on a sunday that would work, with flanagan he played 2 matches a pre-lim and then first round match, he gets a bye in the second round to the quarters

Ok

I could literally guarantee though if you played this comp over a weekend you would have little or no BYES as lads would know months in advance that the comp is coming up and plan it out in due course....
I would suggest to you Hitman to go to your Club AGM (if you are already not directly involved with your club, but I would say you are) and get a motion passed to change this comp and let it be passed and then brought up at the Dublin Convention next year... It is not good enough that lads really have to struggle to make the National Matchplay during the week and ask them to do the same for the Co Matchplay... I am sure a lot of players are unhappy with this format as if you have to travel to work etc it is an early start and then a very late evening travelling from work to play P&P and then head home...

If numbers continue to decline in these sort of Comps, the Co Board will be struggling for finances and they will should be open to change etc....

HITMANHEALY

Tipperman wrote: »

Jabba

In Tipp we only have 2 midweek Comps outside the National Matchplay Quals... We have Strokeplay quals before the Co Matchplay on the Wed before the finals which are on the Sunday.. I would have to say that numbers in general are always around the same which is about 24 etc... The Inters and Juniors have club quals and how many quals each club gets depends on entries etc.. The other mid week we play is just a County Trial so only those entered for the County Team are permitted to play in this...
Something I was thinking from Dublin perpective would be.. Is it not easier to play 4 rounds of 18 holes on the Sat and then play 2 rounds of 36 holes on the Sunday.. It seems a little farcical that a lad can turn up and make the Quarter Final without playing a match... It should be run over two days. If the entry was very high let there be club quals and highest entry in each club gets more quals etc.... It would be a better competition in my view

U could play 1 match on a Friday then 3 18 hole matches on a Saturday and 2 on a sunday that would work, with flanagan he played 2 matches a pre-lim and then first round match, he gets a bye in the second round to the quarters

Tipperman

Jabba Da Putt wrote: »

Howdi lads,
Some good games last night only disappointing thing was a lot of walkovers, a whole section didn't turn up for Flanagan to get through to the 1/4's. Personally I dont think midweek comps work in Dublin anymore, league matches aside which is usually only once a week. Having to travel for up to 2 hours (erins Isle lads last night) after work 3 or 4 times a week is a bit too much too ask I feel. What do the country folk think? How do the midweek comps work down there?

Jabba

In Tipp we only have 2 midweek Comps outside the National Matchplay Quals... We have Strokeplay quals before the Co Matchplay on the Wed before the finals which are on the Sunday.. I would have to say that numbers in general are always around the same which is about 24 etc... The Inters and Juniors have club quals and how many quals each club gets depends on entries etc.. The other mid week we play is just a County Trial so only those entered for the County Team are permitted to play in this...
Something I was thinking from Dublin perpective would be.. Is it not easier to play 4 rounds of 18 holes on the Sat and then play 2 rounds of 36 holes on the Sunday.. It seems a little farcical that a lad can turn up and make the Quarter Final without playing a match... It should be run over two days. If the entry was very high let there be club quals and highest entry in each club gets more quals etc.... It would be a better competition in my view

Jabba Da Putt

doylers08 wrote: »

Here are the senior qualifiers from cork.

J Cahill (Fermoy) 82, 26 under par, course record;
J Walsh (Collins) 84;
N Collins (Majestic) 87;
K Dunscombe (St Anne’s) 92;
F Dineen (St.Annes) 93;
B Delaney (ESB) 94;
C Scannell (Collins) 94;
E Walsh (Collins) 94;
G O’Sullivan (Majestic) 94;
R Donovan (Fermoy) 94;
D Doyle (Elton, Cobh) 95;
E Shannon (Collins) 95;
F O’Donoghue (Templebreedy) 95;
P O’Sullivan (Majestic) 95;
P Curran (Majestic) 96.

Thats unbelievable scoring, 82 is the lowest 36 score I've heard of, anyone else?

HITMANHEALY

Jabba Da Putt wrote: »

Howdi lads,
Some good games last night only disappointing thing was a lot of walkovers, a whole section didn't turn up for Flanagan to get through to the 1/4's. Personally I dont think midweek comps work in Dublin anymore, league matches aside which is usually only once a week. Having to travel for up to 2 hours (erins Isle lads last night) after work 3 or 4 times a week is a bit too much too ask I feel. What do the country folk think? How do the midweek comps work down there?

First of all what course u from mate - if u dont want to say its ok, we wanna see how many clubs are on boards.

Yes I totally agree with all ur comments jabba, there is nothin on this weekend, why could it not been then, it would make alot of sense and the numbers are rapidly declining, I say the numbers would double if we played it over the weekend, the all ireland matchplay has been a great success, why not give it a bash

Jabba Da Putt

HITMANHEALY wrote: »

Only have time to do the seniors will post the inter and juniors late on

Second Round Ties

L Collins (cy) v F Ryan (RGSC)
S Harkins RGSC v PJ McCluskey (Lucan)
G Flanagan bye to the Quater Finals
D Thornberry (CPM) v G Healy (Loughlinstown)
A Gray (Glenville) v G Heffernan (Erins Isle)
F Connolly (Glenville) v G Fitzpatrick (CPM)
A Cuddihy (CPM) v A Lowe (OC)
J McLaughlin (EI) v Paul Nolan (EI)

Howdi lads,
Some good games last night only disappointing thing was a lot of walkovers, a whole section didn't turn up for Flanagan to get through to the 1/4's. Personally I dont think midweek comps work in Dublin anymore, league matches aside which is usually only once a week. Having to travel for up to 2 hours (erins Isle lads last night) after work 3 or 4 times a week is a bit too much too ask I feel. What do the country folk think? How do the midweek comps work down there?

Kingdom

doylers08 wrote: »

Here are the senior qualifiers from cork.

J Cahill (Fermoy) 82, 26 under par, course record;
J Walsh (Collins) 84;
N Collins (Majestic) 87;
K Dunscombe (St Anne’s) 92;
F Dineen (St.Annes) 93;
B Delaney (ESB) 94;
C Scannell (Collins) 94;
E Walsh (Collins) 94;
G O’Sullivan (Majestic) 94;
R Donovan (Fermoy) 94;
D Doyle (Elton, Cobh) 95;
E Shannon (Collins) 95;
F O’Donoghue (Templebreedy) 95;
P O’Sullivan (Majestic) 95;
P Curran (Majestic) 96.

Wekk done Mr Doyle, I;ll see you up in Tullamore for the finals. My advice would be to book somewhere now as there aren't many hotels in the town. The Days Hotel would be best. Middle of the town and cheap as chips.
For anyone not driving, word of warning; its a fair walk out to the course from the town!

HITMANHEALY

Draupnir wrote: »

Dublin Inter Matchplay proved to be a valuable learning experience for me anyway, a serious beating was taken and I wont be making the same mistakes next year with regard to preparation.

In fairness my opponent played very well but I definitely let myself down. Great craic though, Erins Isle was in great condition and it was fantastic to see so many matches going on at once.

Sorry to hear u lost mate, all a learning experience, CPM was playing quite difficult yesterday, wind was blowing and hard greens and also some unfair pin positions, some of the top guns beaten as well

Draupnir

Dublin Inter Matchplay proved to be a valuable learning experience for me anyway, a serious beating was taken and I wont be making the same mistakes next year with regard to preparation.

In fairness my opponent played very well but I definitely let myself down. Great craic though, Erins Isle was in great condition and it was fantastic to see so many matches going on at once.

Tipperman

Kingdom wrote: »

Offaly Qualifiers @ Ferbane

William Buckley Jnr Erry 85
Larry Maher Jnr Erry 91
Joe McGrath Jnr Erry 93
Paul O'Gorman Tullamore 94
Patsy Reams Ferbane 94
Mick Byrne Tullamore 95 (OB18)
Anthony Galvin Tullamore 95 (OB18)

Ferbane was quite soft, greens were decent. Personally I was delighted to qualify, as I'd a rough week, haven't hit a ball since the matchplay, and was dying with Hay Fever! Needed to sink a tasty l to r 6 footer for par, or else I was gone. :eek:

All credit to the Cork scoring, don'tknow what Mallow is like but jebus that was some scoring.
Can't see the scoring being that good in Tullamore however.

Kingdom

Well done on qual as I can only imagine the torment of not qual when you are due to play on your home course:o

Majestic is a nice course in Mallow where the Cork boys were playing.. I was fortunate to win the Scr Cup there last year but if you are not pitching well you won't score as you have to be on the right side of the greens.. It is small and tight (like a lot of courses in Cork) but there are some lovely shots there..-26 I have yet to manage myself but that is incredible scoring no matter what the course you are playing on...

Tullamore will be very interesting... -26 won there in 2004 and that was when William Buckley was to play the round of his life to prevail... I feel they will try and toughen up the course to keep the scoring down but the Scr Cup in 2 weeks time will be a nice dress rehearsal. I can't make the Scr Cup as it clashes with Hillview and that is a County Trial for us....

Eddie Carey didn't qual in Kildare so there is a big player gone from playing in Tullamore.. He has won the last 3 comps that have been held there but he didn't even turn up to the quals which is weird considering how well he plays Tullamore

HITMANHEALY

Kingdom wrote: »

Offaly Qualifiers @ Ferbane

William Buckley Jnr Erry 85
Larry Maher Jnr Erry 91
Joe McGrath Jnr Erry 93
Paul O'Gorman Tullamore 94
Patsy Reams Ferbane 94
Mick Byrne Tullamore 95 (OB18)
Anthony Galvin Tullamore 95 (OB18)

Ferbane was quite soft, greens were decent. Personally I was delighted to qualify, as I'd a rough week, haven't hit a ball since the matchplay, and was dying with Hay Fever! Needed to sink a tasty l to r 6 footer for par, or else I was gone. :eek:

All credit to the Cork scoring, don'tknow what Mallow is like but jebus that was some scoring.
Can't see the scoring being that good in Tullamore however.

Good scoring here Kingdom, delighted u qaulified

Kingdom

Offaly Qualifiers @ Ferbane

William Buckley Jnr Erry 85
Larry Maher Jnr Erry 91
Joe McGrath Jnr Erry 93
Paul O'Gorman Tullamore 94
Patsy Reams Ferbane 94
Mick Byrne Tullamore 95 (OB18)
Anthony Galvin Tullamore 95 (OB18)

Ferbane was quite soft, greens were decent. Personally I was delighted to qualify, as I'd a rough week, haven't hit a ball since the matchplay, and was dying with Hay Fever! Needed to sink a tasty l to r 6 footer for par, or else I was gone. :eek:

All credit to the Cork scoring, don'tknow what Mallow is like but jebus that was some scoring.
Can't see the scoring being that good in Tullamore however.

HITMANHEALY

Only have time to do the seniors will post the inter and juniors late on

Second Round Ties

L Collins (cy) v F Ryan (RGSC)
S Harkins RGSC v PJ McCluskey (Lucan)
G Flanagan bye to the Quater Finals
D Thornberry (CPM) v G Healy (Loughlinstown)
A Gray (Glenville) v G Heffernan (Erins Isle)
F Connolly (Glenville) v G Fitzpatrick (CPM)
A Cuddihy (CPM) v A Lowe (OC)
J McLaughlin (EI) v Paul Nolan (EI)

doylers08

Here are the senior qualifiers from cork.

J Cahill (Fermoy) 82, 26 under par, course record;
J Walsh (Collins) 84;
N Collins (Majestic) 87;
K Dunscombe (St Anne’s) 92;
F Dineen (St.Annes) 93;
B Delaney (ESB) 94;
C Scannell (Collins) 94;
E Walsh (Collins) 94;
G O’Sullivan (Majestic) 94;
R Donovan (Fermoy) 94;
D Doyle (Elton, Cobh) 95;
E Shannon (Collins) 95;
F O’Donoghue (Templebreedy) 95;
P O’Sullivan (Majestic) 95;
P Curran (Majestic) 96.

HITMANHEALY

Tipperman wrote: »

John O'Meara Riverdale 93
Brian Webster Larkspur Park 96
Paul O'Brien Lakeside 97
Rory Hogan Riverdale 99
Noel Stapleton Lakeside 100

Scoring was tough enough at Lakeside yday.. Greens were immaculate but very fast and there were a few very tricky pin positions...

The Cork Quals were at Majestic and the scoring was lets say of a pretty decent standard:D

John Cahill Fermoy 82
John Walsh Collins 84
Noel Collins Majestic 87
Kieran Dunscombe St Annes 92
Frank Dineen St Annes 93
Bryan Delaney ESB 94
Gary O'Sullivan Majestic 94
Chris Scannell Collins 94
Paudie O'Sullivan Majestic 95
Frank O'Donoghue T/Breedy 95

I know the cut was 96 but they are the only scores I know.. Darren Collins St Annes and John O'Sullivan St Annes def missed out but scoring was of the highest standard in fairness

Thats some scoring by the top 3 players john cahill score is unstoppable

Tipperman

John O'Meara Riverdale 93
Brian Webster Larkspur Park 96
Paul O'Brien Lakeside 97
Rory Hogan Riverdale 99
Noel Stapleton Lakeside 100

Scoring was tough enough at Lakeside yday.. Greens were immaculate but very fast and there were a few very tricky pin positions...

The Cork Quals were at Majestic and the scoring was lets say of a pretty decent standard:D

John Cahill Fermoy 82
John Walsh Collins 84
Noel Collins Majestic 87
Kieran Dunscombe St Annes 92
Frank Dineen St Annes 93
Bryan Delaney ESB 94
Gary O'Sullivan Majestic 94
Chris Scannell Collins 94
Paudie O'Sullivan Majestic 95
Frank O'Donoghue T/Breedy 95

I know the cut was 96 but they are the only scores I know.. Darren Collins St Annes and John O'Sullivan St Annes def missed out but scoring was of the highest standard in fairness

HITMANHEALY

100 was the cut in the senior grade - 1 player got in, the best score was 92.

Unfortunately i didnt get in, played poorly and deserved what i got, hit 7 greents in 27 holes, finished with 6 birdies and 2 fours to finish on 101 - sick to think that playing so poorly u miss out by one, i know mr jingles will feel the same

Draupnir

Looking at the dublin board website, there was some great scoring in the Inter section of National Strokeplay qualifying in CY. I certainly have a few more names to look out for at the matchplay tonight now!

Played in Erins Isle yesterday to practice, the course is in brilliant condition and the greens were a pleasure if a bit long in places. I would imagine there will be a cut on some of them today and I think we will see a high standard tonight and for the full week.

Kingdom

Tipperman wrote: »

Did Larry Maher JNR win in Erry last Monday

No, anthony galvin won with 22. Alan hanlon runnerup with 20. Young Newman from Clara 3rd.

Kingdom

HITMANHEALY wrote: »

Why to u keep calling me harry

I presume Eegor is referring to you as Harry. I'd love to know who it is. I'll just call you Hitman from now on.

Kingdom

Tipperman wrote: »

When you think about it, I can't understand why there is not an Irish Open anyway...I mean Ireland is the home of Pitch & Putt and other countries are now leaving us behind.. I have seen first hand experience as to how serious they are treating the game.. In Sardinia last year at the Euro we won and that is fine but the scoreline in the games didn't reflect how tight the games were... We still have the best players in the world but it was inevitable that Ireland would be beaten.. Catalonia now has more members than Ireland playing the game and in Sardinia they're supporters great outnumbered ours.. The International game is a good way forward but always remember that the grassroots of P&P cannot afford to suffer because of International Status etc... Our Union need to badly address the rapid decline in members as they are not all going to Golf etc, they are simply just giving it up which is very worrying....

Well lads, first real chance to post since the weekend. Only caught the play up to Sunday, missed the latter stages unfortunately.
Of what I saw, it was a good championships but not a great one. The standard was decent. Some shocks, some near misses, and some super comebacks. Was disappointed myself. Lost to a good player but unfortunately for me my putter really went cold on me, as I really thought I could do well. Anyway my aim was always to make it to Sunday:D and I did that so wait till next year.
Ray Murphy, what a player! He is probably the best to have graced the sport. Certainly its a toss up between himself and Seán Downes.
As someone alluded to earlier the general standard of the game is on the up, as it really has got tight amongst say the top 50-100 players.
Tippermans example of taking 10 yrs to make the quarters for a second time illustrates just how hard it is to advance, provided you get through qualifying of course.

Agree that there is a resurrection in the game within the capital, and that has to be acted upon. Good to see a lot of younger Dublin players that hadn't qualified up in GV.
Something I thought of a while ago, if Cloghogue can enter a Down team and an Armagh team for the Leinster Inter County, surely Dublin can enter a 2nd team, be that a northside team or a development team of some kind.
The bookie was a good idea, very well done, good that it was done professionally.