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Prius and VRT

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭E92


    Soarer wrote: »
    it was E92 that, shockingly enough, started banging on about the greatness that is the 520d
    Where did I go on about how "great" the 520d is?

    All I said quite truthfully is that the Sunday Times found it to be more economical than the Prius in a test where 40% of the time was in town, 40% was on country roads and 20% was on a Motorway.

    I never said anything about how good, bad or indifferent the 520d is anywhere in this thread, other than that it was shown to be more frugal than a Prius.

    Why does everything I say come with a sense of "oh E92 said something good about BMW. E92 has a user name derived from a BMW product. He therefore is talking sh!te even when he uses facts and figures to back up his arguments".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    E92 wrote: »
    Where did I go on about how "great" the 520d is?

    All I said quite truthfully is that the Sunday Times found it to be more economical than the Prius in a test where 40% of the time was in town, 40% was on country roads and 20% was on a Motorway.

    I never said anything about how good, bad or indifferent the 520d is anywhere in this thread, other than that it was shown to be more frugal than a Prius.

    Why does everything I say come with a sense of "oh E92 said something good about BMW. E92 has a user name derived from a BMW product. He therefore is talking sh!te even when he uses facts and figures to back up his arguments".

    Fair enough. But you and I know both know that the people doing that 'test' set out to get a particular result. If they wanted the Prius to get the better result they could have done it quite easily. I just don't think that particular test can be considered as 'facts and figures' because the methods of testing were so dodgy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,502 ✭✭✭Zube


    I notice that Toyota did not say that the test was unfair or the results flawed, they called it a draw on economy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭JHMEG


    javaboy wrote: »
    Fair enough. But you and I know both know that the people doing that 'test' set out to get a particular result.
    And for the same reason when people want to 'prove' something, they will quote the one dodgy test that backs them up.
    Zube wrote:
    I notice that Toyota did not say that the test was unfair or the results flawed, they called it a draw on economy.
    If they said the test was flawed, people would accuse them of being sore losers, even tho the Prius does better on the bottom line (in a flawed test).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭OTK


    Soarer wrote: »
    My current budget is around €13k-€14k.
    I have my eye on a 05 Prius in the UK. It's a T-Spirit model, so it's top spec. 67k miles, FTSH, Sat Nav, etc. Asking price is £9950, so lets say £10k. That's €12690.30.
    Current OMSP is €21127.
    VRT in July is 14% of €21127 = €2957.78.
    There's a €1750 rebate on the VRT, so VRT = €1207.78.
    Total to purchase and register is €13898.08.
    Roadtax will be €343 a year.
    edit: misread your post

    You road tax will be €100


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭E92


    javaboy wrote: »
    Fair enough. But you and I know both know that the people doing that 'test' set out to get a particular result. If they wanted the Prius to get the better result they could have done it quite easily. I just don't think that particular test can be considered as 'facts and figures' because the methods of testing were so dodgy.

    I'm afriad I disagree there.

    If they wanted to play it straight into the BMW's hands they would have left the aircon either on or off in both cars(actually because the Prius's aircon is electric it makes no difference to emissions wheth it's on or off) and similarly the radio. The BMW was at a disadvantage because both were left on.

    The quickest way to get there was to go all the way down the Motorway, but obviously that wopuld have played straight into the 520d's hands. So they didn't, and instead they went on windy country roads where you wouldn't be going as fast and even went into towns that they had no reason to go into.

    Even then it was less of a miser at the pumps than a car that is officially 10.3 mpg less economical(though it still managed to be a lower polluter of CO2 because every litre of diesel burned produces 13% more CO2 than every litre of petrol, in other words a diesel that does 56.5 mpg is as good for your carbon footprinit as a petrol that does 50 mpg).

    As for Toyota being concerned about PM, NOx etc, I presume they "forgot" that they sell diesels that are just as guilty of the same charge as the 520d? If you look at this page you will see that the 1.4 D-4D Corolla pollutes nearly 7 times more NOx than the 1.6 petrol and of course all those particulates that Toyota claim to be bothered about too. The word hypocracy springs to mind.

    What I've never seen is a test of a Toyota diesel versus a Toyota hybrid. Now that would unquestionably be the fairest comparison by a mile:)!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,366 ✭✭✭ninty9er


    OTK wrote: »
    edit: misread your post

    You road tax will be €100

    No it won't! He's not buying a '08 Prius.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    E92 wrote: »
    I'm afriad I disagree there.

    If they wanted to play it straight into the BMW's hands they would have left the aircon either on or off in both cars(actually because the Prius's aircon is electric it makes no difference to emissions wheth it's on or off) and similarly the radio. The BMW was at a disadvantage because both were left on.

    But why was there a difference in the aircon and radio settings at all? There are three possible results from this test. This is how I think the three outcomes might be viewed by some people:

    520>Prius - Fair enough the BMW is better than the Prius
    520=Prius - Ah but would the BMW have won if the aircon was off?
    520<Prius - If this was the outcome I would rightly say that's not fair on the BMW because of the aircon.

    It seems to me that driving two cars halfway across Europe in a test where two of the three possible outcomes would be hotly disputed is a bit pointless.

    If it was a real test then there would be no reason for any different settings between cars and the drivers would have been swapped regularly to eliminate the effects of different driving styles. It wasn't a real test in the same way as the things they do on Top Gear aren't real tests.

    Anyway I'm out of this thread. If you want to go to another thread with it cool. But we're dragging the OP's thread way off topic. Sorry OP.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭joolsveer


    Hi all. Just came across this thread.

    I had a 24 hour test drive in a Prius last year. I reported in another thread at the time that I averaged about 70 mpg on a normal Dublin pattern of driving - urban, suburban and motorway. I used the radio and air conditioning. I also drove my own car (Renault Mégane 1.6 auto hatchback) over the same trip. My car averaged about 25 mpg and I had both radio and air conditioning on. I was very impressed with the frugality of the Prius.

    I was not impressed with the tinniness of the Prius compared to the Mégane (I expected that Toyota build quality would be better than Spanish). The boot appeared a lot smaller too.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,980 ✭✭✭Soarer


    OTK wrote: »
    edit: misread your post

    You road tax will be €100

    I actually think it'll be €146 a year, as opposed to the €100 you said and the €343 I said.

    Every little helps!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭OTK


    Soarer wrote: »
    I actually think it'll be €146 a year, as opposed to the €100 you said and the €343 I said.

    Every little helps!
    I think you were right the first time round. I think the 146 rate is just for electrical rather than hybrid vehicles.
    http://www.budget.gov.ie/2008/downloads/AnnexF.pdf


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,980 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Nice one.
    Stupid bloody tax system!:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,366 ✭✭✭ninty9er




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