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Rb · 13-05-2008 01:36PM

billy the squid wrote: »

some bogtrotting vandals whose work can be seek from Cork up as far as Galway.
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o259/limerickblogger/limerickblogger-2/P5060061.jpg

They should be identitfied and prosecuted.

I agree. Those who are caught should be prosecuted for every single instance that their "tag" or "name" has been sprayed. Maybe it would deter the rest from doing it in future, if one got enough charges against them to hand them an unpayable fine/a few years in prison.

Ross_Mahon · 13-05-2008 01:59PM

rb_ie wrote: »

I agree. Those who are caught should be prosecuted for every single instance that their "tag" or "name" has been sprayed. Maybe it would deter the rest from doing it in future, if one got enough charges against them to hand them an unpayable fine/a few years in prison.

I knew a guy that had his tag everywhere, and the Garda made him clean up every tag he ever did! and if there was any left they, said they would charge him for them.

doonothing · 13-05-2008 02:00PM

rb_ie wrote: »

Firstly, it's illegal.

Secondly, it's defacing the public property and making my nice local area look like shít. Why stand by and watch as they spray shítty tags on the walls of the neighbourhood? The Gardaí would do little about it.

I was merely pointing out the inanity of your post.

What exactly are you doing about it?

doonothing · 13-05-2008 02:03PM

Anyway, back to the tagging.. Maybe I'm too young, but I don't remember ever seeing my area without graffiti, or pretty much anywhere in town... Sure, I'm all up for stopping it, but there's a fair few things I'd be moaning about in our society before I'd get to tagging.
It's not bad for the environment, no one gets hurt, hell, if we're already down the list to tagging let's rejoice!

There's plenty worse crimes being committed than one that's merely an eyesore... Break some fingers over that.

Rb · 13-05-2008 02:04PM

doonothing wrote: »

I was merely pointing out the inanity of your post.

What exactly are you doing about it?

I don't live there anymore, so it'd be more of a case of randomly catching them at it when I happen to be down at my parents house.

doonothing · 13-05-2008 02:28PM

You don't live there anymore since the time you posted that one I quoted? Is your new area completely spotless and free of graffiti? Did you do it when you caught them back when you did live there? I'm not trying to be nitpicky.. Just there's a lot of big talk on the internet. I was wondering if you were doing anything like what you said.

Notorious · 13-05-2008 03:26PM

rb_ie wrote: »

Honestly, if I caught one of the local kids doing it I'd break their fingers and drag them back to their parents kicking and screaming, then get the owner of the wall to present them the bill and ensure their kids coughed it up.

Firstly, get real you probably wouldn't do anything let alone break someones fingers. Though if you did either break a kids fingers, or dragged them back to their parents you'd probably end up with a punch in the face by said kids father, and even some time in a jail cell. Word is that child abusers get all sorts of attention in prison...

Rb · 13-05-2008 03:32PM

doonothing wrote: »

You don't live there anymore since the time you posted that one I quoted? Is your new area completely spotless and free of graffiti? Did you do it when you caught them back when you did live there? I'm not trying to be nitpicky.. Just there's a lot of big talk on the internet. I was wondering if you were doing anything like what you said.

I've been out of that area since August. When I was there, there was little to no graffiti in the area. Since I've moved out (and it has nothing to do with it), I've noticed a load of graffiti appearing on the walls behind the supermarket, in the laneways etc.

The kids in the area were all good kids as are their parents, so if I happened to be walking through the area and caught them defacing public property in an absolutely tacky way, I'd be raging. Not only are they letting down the area by doing so, they're letting down their parents.

Rb · 13-05-2008 03:33PM

Notorious wrote: »

Firstly, get real you probably wouldn't do anything let alone break someones fingers. Though if you did either break a kids fingers, or dragged them back to their parents you'd probably end up with a punch in the face by said kids father, and even some time in a jail cell. Word is that child abusers get all sorts of attention in prison...

If a parent condones "tagging" public property, they deserve a beating themselves, and probably deserve to have their kids taken off them and stuck in foster homes.

Notorious · 13-05-2008 03:39PM

rb_ie wrote: »

If a parent condones "tagging" public property, they deserve a beating themselves, and probably deserve to have their kids taken off them and stuck in foster homes.

Who said their parents condone tagging? Its more like preventing child abuse. Hell I'd hit you in the face for breaking a kids fingers.

rb_ie wrote:

Not only are they letting down the area by doing so, they're letting down their parents.

I don't think the majority of kids ever think of letting down their parents.

Rb · 13-05-2008 03:41PM

Notorious wrote: »

Who said their parents condone tagging? Its more like preventing child abuse. Hell I'd hit you in the face for breaking a kids fingers.

I don't think the majority of kids ever think of letting down their parents.

Now that's not nice.

Call them what you like, by doing so they're criminals and unfortunately the gardaí won't do much about it as they're generally minors. Best thing for them would be a few slaps and a warning.

ScumLord · 13-05-2008 03:42PM

I not totally against graffiti, it's a quick and easy way to get art into the environment. It would be nice to see councils allow graffiti in selected areas that are maybe painted over every month. "Artists" could submit art and the best one get's to spray the wall.

My sister did a bit of graffiti study for the LC, she used massive stencils and spent a few weeks working on a design before putting it up though.

Notorious · 13-05-2008 03:48PM

rb_ie wrote: »

Now that's not nice.

Call them what you like, by doing so they're criminals and unfortunately the gardaí won't do much about it as they're generally minors. Best thing for them would be a few slaps and a warning.

Kids will always be kids. I'm not saying that they shouldn't be punished, they most definitely should. Something like being forced to scrub the tag off would be much more acceptable I'd imagine.

I've heard that in certain states in America they have special 'task forces' assigned to clearing up graffiti. Basically an area is scrubbed clean of any graffiti. Once more appears, these cleaners who watch main streets via cameras, or who are informed scrub away the graffiti in a matter of hours. Psychologists claim that this regular cleaning up of graffiti prevents more appearing and can, over time, prevent any spraying at all.

Rb · 13-05-2008 04:27PM

Notorious wrote: »

Kids will always be kids. I'm not saying that they shouldn't be punished, they most definitely should. Something like being forced to scrub the tag off would be much more acceptable I'd imagine.

I've heard that in certain states in America they have special 'task forces' assigned to clearing up graffiti. Basically an area is scrubbed clean of any graffiti. Once more appears, these cleaners who watch main streets via cameras, or who are informed scrub away the graffiti in a matter of hours. Psychologists claim that this regular cleaning up of graffiti prevents more appearing and can, over time, prevent any spraying at all.

That's actually good idea, any idea how much it costs them though?

Davidius · 13-05-2008 04:28PM

I can't say that I've ever attempted reading graffiti.

Wook · 13-05-2008 04:38PM

Ross_Mahon wrote: »

I knew a guy that had his tag everywhere, and the Garda made him clean up every tag he ever did! and if there was any left they, said they would charge him for them.

I Ghent (Belgium) they need to spray paint every public toilet with something nice i believe. (as a punishment)

Dyr · 13-05-2008 04:44PM

/David Coverdale

And here I go again...

doonothing · 13-05-2008 06:31PM

rb_ie wrote: »

I've been out of that area since August. When I was there, there was little to no graffiti in the area. Since I've moved out (and it has nothing to do with it), I've noticed a load of graffiti appearing on the walls behind the supermarket, in the laneways etc.

The kids in the area were all good kids as are their parents, so if I happened to be walking through the area and caught them defacing public property in an absolutely tacky way, I'd be raging. Not only are they letting down the area by doing so, they're letting down their parents.

It's just that you said "it's defacing the public property and making my nice local area look like shít", I was wondering have you been a vigilante as of late.

I don't really get what most of that post has to do with you actually doing anything about it... Oh well.

Ross_Mahon · 13-05-2008 06:41PM

Theres suppose to be a place in town thats actually 'legal' to graffiti on?

oxo cubes · 22-05-2008 11:20PM

People need to get over it. It's writing your name on a wall, not the most horrific crime in the world.

Cool_CM · 22-05-2008 11:37PM

oxo cubes wrote: »

People need to get over it. It's writing your name on a wall, not the most horrific crime in the world.

Grand so, I'll be over later with my spray cans to give your house a makeover.
If you are stupid enough to go climbing onto train tracks to write your name on a wall and something happens to you, it is your own fault.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/jan/20/ukcrime.prisonsandprobation
Reminds me of a booklet that a foreign student showed me after his weekend visit to up north where the IRA listed amongst their "martyrs" three people who blew themselves and their house up whilst trying to make bombs. Idiots

oxo cubes · 22-05-2008 11:53PM

Grand so, make my house look good while you're at it.
I know it's my fualt if I get hurt on train tracks writing my name but it's a risk I'm willing to take. Nothing like a bit of free art to brighten up someones day.

kmart6 · 22-05-2008 11:57PM

Rb is it just me or is doonothing looking for an argument with you!?

AlmightyCushion · 23-05-2008 12:04AM

oxo cubes wrote: »

Grand so, make my house look good while you're at it.

Not everyone is as willing as you are to let a stranger come along and change the way their property looks. Also style and art is subjective so what you define as good isn't always the next persons definition of good. If some scumbag thought it was funny to smash all the windows in your house,I doubt you'd be laughing. It's the same for people who have had their property defaced by grafitti.

Cool_CM · 23-05-2008 12:08AM

kmart6 wrote: »

Rb is it just me or is doonothing looking for an argument with you!?

Seems to be a recurring theme at the moment:D

oxo cubes wrote:

Grand so, make my house look good while you're at it.
I know it's my fualt if I get hurt on train tracks writing my name but it's a risk I'm willing to take. Nothing like a bit of free art to brighten up someones day.

Cheers, PM me the address, any colours or preferences?

oxo cubes · 23-05-2008 12:14AM

Not giving you my adress for security reasons, pm me your number and I'll hook you up. Green is my favourite colour but it's really up to you.

projectmayhem · 23-05-2008 12:15AM

oxo cubes wrote: »

Nothing like a bit of free art to brighten up someones day.

are you going to try and convince me that "grift" is an artist?

i've yet to see any appealing graffiti in this city. most, if not all graffiti in this city is a dreadful attempt at tagging, and you can't even do that with a bit of artistic integrity.

you'd be hard pushed to find anyone smiling and being challenged by any of the crap in a dart station or around the city. the tagging our city has just makes places look awful, run down and old. it makes the entire city look like west finglas or something.

at this stage, "grift" has been at it for years. surely s/he has gotten a job and worked out the fact that this tagging business is a load of sh*te? or has some other gimp taken on the mantle?

as for legalities. a few years ago the art centre that was accross from the temple bar music centre opened up its doors and had a recreational place for teenagers upstairs. it had music, walls for tagging... all that lark. day 1 there was €10k worth of damage done iirc. "famous" taggers have something to say, and probably hate kids who tag their stupid names or monikers everywhere because it takes away their statement or artistic expression.

taggers in dublin don't create art, they create an eyesore. if you lot were actually any good this debate would be completely different.

AlmightyCushion · 23-05-2008 12:17AM

Cool_CM wrote: »

Cheers, PM me the address, any colours or preferences?

Just get that guy from superbad to paint a load of dicks all over his house.

oxo cubes · 23-05-2008 12:18AM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Not everyone is as willing as you are to let a stranger come along and change the way their property looks. Also style and art is subjective so what you define as good isn't always the next persons definition of good. If some scumbag thought it was funny to smash all the windows in your house,I doubt you'd be laughing. It's the same for people who have had their property defaced by grafitti.

There's a difference between smashing a window and writing on a wall so no I wouldn't be laughing.
Gardai should be focusing on people smashing windows rather than people writing on a wall.

Cool_CM · 23-05-2008 12:22AM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Just get that guy from superbad to paint a load of dicks all over his house.

Was thinking about that, those cocks were a million times better than any "graffiti" I've ever seen in Ireland

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