'grift'

darkman2

Anyone notice? Why does he have to write his name on everything? Seriously if your viewing this forum you are a complete muppet. Its not nice to write your name all over public property.


It seems this idiot has graffitied everywhere. Whilst it is wrong to give this muppet attention id say he is responsible for at least 10% of all graffiti in Dublin. The new M50 the latest.


If I caught him, by jesus, id murder him. :mad:

What do you think of Graffiti - Is it art? or are these low lifes just vandals?

Xavi6

Hit search. There's a thread from a while back that deals with this particular individual in detail. If I remember correctly, 'grift' was revealed to be a girl.

Rb

When graffiti is good, it's really good. When it's bad though, it's a f*cking eyesore.

The overwhelming majority of graffiti in Ireland is horrendous. Last time I was around my home area, I noticed the walls in the hidden lanes spray painted badly. Honestly, if I caught one of the local kids doing it I'd break their fingers and drag them back to their parents kicking and screaming, then get the owner of the wall to present them the bill and ensure their kids coughed it up.

"Tagging" is the most common form of graffiti in the country and it in itself is f*cking awful and done by pathetic, attention seeking kids who deserve to have their fingers broken and be dragged back to their parents kicking and screaming and presented with a bill.

I'd love to see tougher measures put in place to prevent it, it's degrading and embarrassing.

passive

rb_ie wrote: »

When graffiti is good, it's really good. When it's bad though, it's a f*cking eyesore.

The overwhelming majority of graffiti in Ireland is horrendous. Last time I was around my home area, I noticed the walls in the hidden lanes spray painted badly. Honestly, if I caught one of the local kids doing it I'd break their fingers and drag them back to their parents kicking and screaming, then get the owner of the wall to present them the bill and ensure their kids coughed it up.

"Tagging" is the most common form of graffiti in the country and it in itself is f*cking awful and done by pathetic, attention seeking kids who deserve to have their fingers broken and be dragged back to their parents kicking and screaming and presented with a bill.

I'd love to see tougher measures put in place to prevent it, it's degrading and embarrassing.

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kowloon

See under bridge in Drogheda

doonothing

rb_ie wrote: »

Honestly, if I caught one of the local kids doing it I'd break their fingers and drag them back to their parents kicking and screaming, then get the owner of the wall to present them the bill and ensure their kids coughed it up.

I'm sure you would...

Rb

doonothing wrote: »

I'm sure you would...

Firstly, it's illegal.

Secondly, it's defacing the public property and making my nice local area look like shít. Why stand by and watch as they spray shítty tags on the walls of the neighbourhood? The Gardaí would do little about it.

Sherifu

Maybe Dublin City Council should hire Banksy.

Z

whats worse, graffiti or dragging kids home and breaking their fingers?
Whats worse again, some paint sprayed on a wall in a manner which is not aesthetically pleasing, or having a total stranger take the law in his/her hands vigilante style and use capital punishment?
Get real rb_ie

Trev M

rb_ie wrote: »

When graffiti is good, it's really good. When it's bad though, it's a f*cking eyesore.

The overwhelming majority of graffiti in Ireland is horrendous. Last time I was around my home area, I noticed the walls in the hidden lanes spray painted badly. Honestly, if I caught one of the local kids doing it I'd break their fingers and drag them back to their parents kicking and screaming, then get the owner of the wall to present them the bill and ensure their kids coughed it up.

"Tagging" is the most common form of graffiti in the country and it in itself is f*cking awful and done by pathetic, attention seeking kids who deserve to have their fingers broken and be dragged back to their parents kicking and screaming and presented with a bill.

I'd love to see tougher measures put in place to prevent it, it's degrading and embarrassing.

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Wook

Always compared Tagging like the dogs that pee on every pole.

Dublin could however make available some walls where talents can show off without the fear of being prosecuted. This has been done by other countries.

s8n

I despise it. Baseball bats and broken fingers are possibly the only way forward.

Naked Lepper

you should be allowed spray paint your messages or whatever you want anywhere you want

sure the ****in city is an eyesore already with all the billboards trying to make you buy ****e

and i agree, theres lots of ****e grafitti in ireland.

all the stars

Current frame of mind leads me to say - its not really a big deal- just a shame about the rubbish graff... do murals people. something artistic if your going to all the bother at least make it worth stopping to look at!

Ciaran500

Naked Lepper wrote: »

you should be allowed spray paint your messages or whatever you want anywhere you want

sure the ****in city is an eyesore already with all the billboards trying to make you buy ****e

Bilboards look like shite, so we should be able to put shitty graffiti where ever we want.

Great argument :rolleyes:

Saruman

I can not stand Grafitti. Some of it looks good, where Grafitti has been done by an actual Grafitti artist. There is one near the tara street station that depects how society has changed.... Its good, not sure if its still there though..

Tagging though is not art, its simply scribbling rubbish and makes an area depraved and seem more ghettto than it probably is.

Ever been to Prague? Beautiful city but every single wall or building has scribbles (tags) on them! Every single one!!! Paris is pretty bad too but at least there is some actual art visible too.

I believe there are a few places in Dublin where the council provide grafitti walls.

biko

Some previous threads on the subject
Banksy in Dublin?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055212964

Graffiti
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=302235

graffiti
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=303270

Graff
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055037135

Who is Vek?!
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=274377

Here's what happened to the last tagger I caught

Run_to_da_hills

I think there is several "Grifts" or "copy cats" around the city. I have noticed several different styles, some very poor quality others were "more professional".

Mr. CooL ICE

Saruman wrote: »

Ever been to Prague? Beautiful city but every single wall or building has scribbles (tags) on them! Every single one!!! Paris is pretty bad too but at least there is some actual art visible too.

Milan too. Such a pity, because the city has gone to endless efforts to make the buildings retain their old renaissance look, then some crappy signatures ruin it. Apparently, the italians don't take any real notice of it

astrofool

Z wrote: »

whats worse, graffiti or dragging kids home and breaking their fingers?
Whats worse again, some paint sprayed on a wall in a manner which is not aesthetically pleasing, or having a total stranger take the law in his/her hands vigilante style and use capital punishment?
Get real rb_ie

Spray painting is worse I'd have no problem in seein the offenders lose their spraying finger for a first offence, with a hand being lost for any subsequent offences.

Anyway, if I did see some kid doing it, I'd probably spraypaint them head to toe.

javaboy

Some idiots tried spray painted their names on my hedge once. I mean a bloody hedge for God's sake? Now I don't normally advocate eugenics......


@biko, about that last fella that you spray painted gold. What did he do? Spray paint his name on the wall bigger than 300*125? btw he looks a little like Jack Nicholson

Pen1987

Good graf brings some form of social commentary, or at least some form of creativity. I love good graf, I mean love it, I collect pictures of it. But tagging is just plain lazy. I'd still prefer everyone had free reign to write whatever they felt whereever they went for a period of time and see how a city would look after it, when you could just stand at a bus stop and read some randomers ideas and train of thought, than have all these ****ebag adverts constantly trying to sell things all over my eyeline.

Some of Grifts murals are solid, the batman one and the Bart one on the Maynooth line into Connelly, there are defo copycat. Kids who thought if you were a graffer who had to write the 'word' grift because it was EVERYWHERE haha

wandatowell

Sherifu wrote: »

Maybe Dublin City Council should hire Banksy.

Bansky is just brill. I would call his work "art"

stevoman

here's the grafiit i used to see on the 7 line on the elevated subway on the way to work in manhatten every morning. im not a lover of gratitti, but this was amazing!

0ubliette

Tagging is the most retarded thing ive ever seen.

'oh yeah man, i just wrote some unintelligible scrawl on that stop sign, man, i TAGGED it, yeah, im raging against the machine and fighting the power!'

****ing retards. Grift should be forced to clean every single piece of ****e graffiti off every wall he/she has sprayed on using his/her tongue as the cleaner. And then beaten with a crowbar.

Femelade

I have never seen "Grift" anywhere..maybe thats because i'm from cork..

Rb

javaboy wrote: »

Spray paint his name on the wall bigger than 300*125?

Ah haha that's excellent

Rb

Z wrote: »

whats worse, graffiti or dragging kids home and breaking their fingers?
Whats worse again, some paint sprayed on a wall in a manner which is not aesthetically pleasing, or having a total stranger take the law in his/her hands vigilante style and use capital punishment?
Get real rb_ie

Ah but I'm not a total stranger, the kids and their parents in the area know me well. I'd rather see some vigilantes out and about keeping the streets clean than the walls covered with crappy looking "tags" tbh.

Trev M wrote: »

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Ty

Wook wrote: »

Always compared Tagging like the dogs that pee on every pole.

Dublin could however make available some walls where talents can show off without the fear of being prosecuted. This has been done by other countries.

I'd support this if I thought it'd stop these "artists" spraying their shíte "tags" everywhere. Sadly, given that they're pathetic, attention starved children, I doubt it would.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

rb_ie wrote: »

I'd support this if I thought it'd stop these "artists" spraying their shíte "tags" everywhere. Sadly, given that they're pathetic, attention starved children, I doubt it would.

But then all amateur art is by "attention starved children", isn't it?! They're be a whole park full of it in Stephen's green at the end of June.

If we're proposing vigilanteism for graffiti-sprayers, can we extend it to include speeding, bad parking (fvck it - ALL driving offenses), littering and drunk and disordly offenses? Of and of vourse violence. I think...

billy the squid

some bogtrotting vandals whose work can be seek from Cork up as far as Galway.
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o259/limerickblogger/limerickblogger-2/P5060061.jpg

They should be identitfied and prosecuted.

Rb

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

But then all amateur art is by "attention starved children", isn't it?! They're be a whole park full of it in Stephen's green at the end of June.

If we're proposing vigilanteism for graffiti-sprayers, can we extend it to include speeding, bad parking (fvck it - ALL driving offenses), littering and drunk and disordly offenses? Of and of vourse violence. I think...

No, all amateur art isn't by attention starved children. Those who go spraying their "tag" everywhere they can in an attempt to get themselves known however, are attention starved children.

"Tagging" isn't art. I'll admit there are graffiti pieces that are absolutely art, and a joy to look at, but as I said above, the overwhelming majority of it in this country is an eyesore, degrades the area it's done in and is an embarrassment for the locals.

I would love to be able to do something about speeders tbh. Absolutely love it.

Rb

billy the squid wrote: »

some bogtrotting vandals whose work can be seek from Cork up as far as Galway.
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o259/limerickblogger/limerickblogger-2/P5060061.jpg

They should be identitfied and prosecuted.

I agree. Those who are caught should be prosecuted for every single instance that their "tag" or "name" has been sprayed. Maybe it would deter the rest from doing it in future, if one got enough charges against them to hand them an unpayable fine/a few years in prison.

Ross_Mahon

rb_ie wrote: »

I agree. Those who are caught should be prosecuted for every single instance that their "tag" or "name" has been sprayed. Maybe it would deter the rest from doing it in future, if one got enough charges against them to hand them an unpayable fine/a few years in prison.

I knew a guy that had his tag everywhere, and the Garda made him clean up every tag he ever did! and if there was any left they, said they would charge him for them.

doonothing

rb_ie wrote: »

Firstly, it's illegal.

Secondly, it's defacing the public property and making my nice local area look like shít. Why stand by and watch as they spray shítty tags on the walls of the neighbourhood? The Gardaí would do little about it.

I was merely pointing out the inanity of your post.

What exactly are you doing about it?

doonothing

Anyway, back to the tagging.. Maybe I'm too young, but I don't remember ever seeing my area without graffiti, or pretty much anywhere in town... Sure, I'm all up for stopping it, but there's a fair few things I'd be moaning about in our society before I'd get to tagging.
It's not bad for the environment, no one gets hurt, hell, if we're already down the list to tagging let's rejoice!

There's plenty worse crimes being committed than one that's merely an eyesore... Break some fingers over that.

Rb

doonothing wrote: »

I was merely pointing out the inanity of your post.

What exactly are you doing about it?

I don't live there anymore, so it'd be more of a case of randomly catching them at it when I happen to be down at my parents house.

doonothing

You don't live there anymore since the time you posted that one I quoted? Is your new area completely spotless and free of graffiti? Did you do it when you caught them back when you did live there? I'm not trying to be nitpicky.. Just there's a lot of big talk on the internet. I was wondering if you were doing anything like what you said.

Notorious

rb_ie wrote: »

Honestly, if I caught one of the local kids doing it I'd break their fingers and drag them back to their parents kicking and screaming, then get the owner of the wall to present them the bill and ensure their kids coughed it up.

Firstly, get real you probably wouldn't do anything let alone break someones fingers. Though if you did either break a kids fingers, or dragged them back to their parents you'd probably end up with a punch in the face by said kids father, and even some time in a jail cell. Word is that child abusers get all sorts of attention in prison...

Rb

doonothing wrote: »

You don't live there anymore since the time you posted that one I quoted? Is your new area completely spotless and free of graffiti? Did you do it when you caught them back when you did live there? I'm not trying to be nitpicky.. Just there's a lot of big talk on the internet. I was wondering if you were doing anything like what you said.

I've been out of that area since August. When I was there, there was little to no graffiti in the area. Since I've moved out (and it has nothing to do with it), I've noticed a load of graffiti appearing on the walls behind the supermarket, in the laneways etc.

The kids in the area were all good kids as are their parents, so if I happened to be walking through the area and caught them defacing public property in an absolutely tacky way, I'd be raging. Not only are they letting down the area by doing so, they're letting down their parents.

Rb

Notorious wrote: »

Firstly, get real you probably wouldn't do anything let alone break someones fingers. Though if you did either break a kids fingers, or dragged them back to their parents you'd probably end up with a punch in the face by said kids father, and even some time in a jail cell. Word is that child abusers get all sorts of attention in prison...

If a parent condones "tagging" public property, they deserve a beating themselves, and probably deserve to have their kids taken off them and stuck in foster homes.

Notorious

rb_ie wrote: »

If a parent condones "tagging" public property, they deserve a beating themselves, and probably deserve to have their kids taken off them and stuck in foster homes.

Who said their parents condone tagging? Its more like preventing child abuse. Hell I'd hit you in the face for breaking a kids fingers.

rb_ie wrote:

Not only are they letting down the area by doing so, they're letting down their parents.

I don't think the majority of kids ever think of letting down their parents.

Rb

Notorious wrote: »

Who said their parents condone tagging? Its more like preventing child abuse. Hell I'd hit you in the face for breaking a kids fingers.



I don't think the majority of kids ever think of letting down their parents.

Now that's not nice.

Call them what you like, by doing so they're criminals and unfortunately the gardaí won't do much about it as they're generally minors. Best thing for them would be a few slaps and a warning.

ScumLord

I not totally against graffiti, it's a quick and easy way to get art into the environment. It would be nice to see councils allow graffiti in selected areas that are maybe painted over every month. "Artists" could submit art and the best one get's to spray the wall.

My sister did a bit of graffiti study for the LC, she used massive stencils and spent a few weeks working on a design before putting it up though.

Notorious

rb_ie wrote: »

Now that's not nice.

Call them what you like, by doing so they're criminals and unfortunately the gardaí won't do much about it as they're generally minors. Best thing for them would be a few slaps and a warning.

Kids will always be kids. I'm not saying that they shouldn't be punished, they most definitely should. Something like being forced to scrub the tag off would be much more acceptable I'd imagine.

I've heard that in certain states in America they have special 'task forces' assigned to clearing up graffiti. Basically an area is scrubbed clean of any graffiti. Once more appears, these cleaners who watch main streets via cameras, or who are informed scrub away the graffiti in a matter of hours. Psychologists claim that this regular cleaning up of graffiti prevents more appearing and can, over time, prevent any spraying at all.

Rb

Notorious wrote: »

Kids will always be kids. I'm not saying that they shouldn't be punished, they most definitely should. Something like being forced to scrub the tag off would be much more acceptable I'd imagine.

I've heard that in certain states in America they have special 'task forces' assigned to clearing up graffiti. Basically an area is scrubbed clean of any graffiti. Once more appears, these cleaners who watch main streets via cameras, or who are informed scrub away the graffiti in a matter of hours. Psychologists claim that this regular cleaning up of graffiti prevents more appearing and can, over time, prevent any spraying at all.

That's actually good idea, any idea how much it costs them though?

Davidius

I can't say that I've ever attempted reading graffiti.

Wook

Ross_Mahon wrote: »

I knew a guy that had his tag everywhere, and the Garda made him clean up every tag he ever did! and if there was any left they, said they would charge him for them.

I Ghent (Belgium) they need to spray paint every public toilet with something nice i believe. (as a punishment)

Dyr

/David Coverdale

And here I go again...

doonothing

rb_ie wrote: »

I've been out of that area since August. When I was there, there was little to no graffiti in the area. Since I've moved out (and it has nothing to do with it), I've noticed a load of graffiti appearing on the walls behind the supermarket, in the laneways etc.

The kids in the area were all good kids as are their parents, so if I happened to be walking through the area and caught them defacing public property in an absolutely tacky way, I'd be raging. Not only are they letting down the area by doing so, they're letting down their parents.

It's just that you said "it's defacing the public property and making my nice local area look like shít", I was wondering have you been a vigilante as of late.

I don't really get what most of that post has to do with you actually doing anything about it... Oh well.

Ross_Mahon

Theres suppose to be a place in town thats actually 'legal' to graffiti on?

oxo cubes

People need to get over it. It's writing your name on a wall, not the most horrific crime in the world.