Locked in a celler for 24 years and abused.

28-04-2008 12:53PM

My da was telling me about hearing about this on the news on the way to the DART this morning and I couldn't believe reading about it. Just insane stuff altogether. This is the kind of bastard you'd like to see jumping out of a plane and his parachute not opening.... absolutely sick. She could never make a recovery from this and I presume all the kids will have serious health issues...

Any pictures of this kunt?

Dudess · 28-04-2008 01:01PM

ThE_IVIAcIVIAIV wrote: »

The world is getting crazier and crazier these days, it started off with serial killers etc and now its evolved to this.

The world was always crazy. It never "started with serial killers". If anything, the world has got more "civilised" making crimes like this all the more dumbfounding.

Insect Overlord · 28-04-2008 01:03PM

Dudess wrote: »

The world was always crazy. It never "started with serial killers". If anything, the world has got more "civilised" making crimes like this all the more dumbfounding.

+1

Also, with the internet and international media forever expanding, we get to hear about a hell of a lot more weird stuff now than people did 20 years ago.

Tha Gopher · 28-04-2008 11:02PM

ronbyrne2005 wrote: »

What is it with Austria? First that young girl in the basement and now this.

Not forgetting that Hitler fella. He was mad Ted, mad altogether! (and from an inbred background)

tbh alot of odd news stories come out of this region of the world. This case. The imprisoned girl. That guy who murdered and ate a willing participant he met online. Vaguely recall a pair of goths who commited a few murders and all. Neo Nazism is big over there. Some even hero worship Johnny ****ing Adair. Zee Germans/Austrians are an odd bunch quite frankly (obviously not all of them, but I can think of at least six that I have known personally).

Let me get this straight. The grandparents (the rapist and the wife) raised 3 of the kids. The wife was....now....let me be certain....she was under the impression that her missing daughter got pregnant on three seperate occasions and abandoned the kid each time on their doorstep?

To start school, the kids needed a birth cert. The only way these births could be officially recorded would be if the grandparents registered their births.

Now, surely if they went to the town hall three times to claim their missing daughter had abandoned 3 kids on their doorstep, someone should have realised?

Poxy fcuking journalists are presenting this like a pre prepared template, arent explaining one bit of it.

Still, it must be mad to describe everything that has happened to someone who has been cut off for 24 years

"Well. While you were out, the Berlin Wall came down, the twin towers are gone, communism is on its arse, most of Eastern Europe is in the EU, two lads called George Bush have run America, and those spud aytin leprachans on the western edge of Europe have one of Europes strongest economies, I sh1t you not...."

In the first few hours a rather cnuty prankster could have acquired an army costume and sewed a small USSR flag into it I guess, and proclaimed that she had survived the nuke war in which the Russkies won.

Agamemnon · 29-04-2008 12:21AM

More on the BBC website. Sick isn't the word.

Sam Vimes · 29-04-2008 09:26AM

Tha Gopher wrote: »

Not forgetting that Hitler fella. He was mad Ted, mad altogether! (and from an inbred background)

tbh alot of odd news stories come out of this region of the world. This case. The imprisoned girl. That guy who murdered and ate a willing participant he met online. Vaguely recall a pair of goths who commited a few murders and all. Neo Nazism is big over there. Some even hero worship Johnny ****ing Adair. Zee Germans/Austrians are an odd bunch quite frankly (obviously not all of them, but I can think of at least six that I have known personally).

i think you're onto something there. f*ck Iran. Austria's the real axis of evil. Nuke Austria!!!

Babette08 · 29-04-2008 09:58AM

I don't think it's possible to put into words how disturbing this is..so frightening to think that someone could be capable of such depravity

co_co · 29-04-2008 10:07AM

God! So Unbelievable!

The_B_Man · 29-04-2008 10:13AM

How did he sneak all the stuff into the gaf anyway? lookin at the paper, there was ~6 beds! did his missus not ask him like "hey where ya goin with those beds?" or "hey, remember that bathroom we got fitted into the basement there last month....".
We were sayin this in work too about the food! how could he manage to sneak 6 dniners downstairs every nite without anyone knowin! on top of that, surely the ma woulda known that they had a basement twice as big when they moved in, then all of a sudden, it halved in size, their new bathroom went missing, along with loadsa food, and random packets of nappies showin up on the shoppin bill!!

ImDave · 29-04-2008 10:15AM

People like that guy should be shot, and then shot again just to be sure. Thats one of the worst stories I have ever read.

Stark · 29-04-2008 12:10PM

The_B_Man wrote: »

How did he sneak all the stuff into the gaf anyway? lookin at the paper, there was ~6 beds! did his missus not ask him like "hey where ya goin with those beds?" or "hey, remember that bathroom we got fitted into the basement there last month....".
We were sayin this in work too about the food! how could he manage to sneak 6 dniners downstairs every nite without anyone knowin! on top of that, surely the ma woulda known that they had a basement twice as big when they moved in, then all of a sudden, it halved in size, their new bathroom went missing, along with loadsa food, and random packets of nappies showin up on the shoppin bill!!

She must have known. There's no way she couldn't have.

The sad thing is he's only facing a 15 year sentence. They consider the rapes to be the most serious of the crimes and it's 15 years max for that.

The_B_Man · 29-04-2008 12:26PM

well hes 73. in 15 years he'll most likely be dead anyway.

Another thing is, if you've seen the basement layout in the paper, its obvious he must have planned it a long time in advance. It wasnt something he accidentally fell into and then got too deep to get out of. Its plain to see it was premeditated and jsut nasty!! especially with the burning of the baby!!

Homer · 29-04-2008 12:35PM

Its a good job Shannon Mathews was found - Imagine finding her in 24 years with 7 kids who look just like her :eek:

Stark · 29-04-2008 12:39PM

The_B_Man wrote: »

well hes 73. in 15 years he'll most likely be dead anyway.

Not necessarily. In 15 years he'll be 88 and plenty of people live to be over 100 these days. There should be no question of him not dying in prison. Not to mention what happens if a younger person decides to do similar in the future. Should they get out in 10 years or whatever? "Ah sure, it's only a kidnapping offence". At least it's not Irish law I suppose.

Papillon87 · 29-04-2008 01:28PM

Absolutely depraved.

But absolutely the wife knew. How were 7 children delivered in her basement without her knowing? How did she never hear the crying of seven babies? How were serious questions not raised by authorities and neighbours when random babies were being dropped on their doorstep? If a child appears outside your door, you contact the police first and foremost.

The wife knowingly let this go on for 24 years. That is equally as disgusting.

Loopy · 29-04-2008 02:12PM

How anyone could do that to their own child is just unbelievable, I too reckon the mother must have known, or else she's a complete thick.

carveone · 29-04-2008 02:31PM

Papillon87 wrote: »

But absolutely the wife knew. How were 7 children delivered in her basement without her knowing?

One tend to ask the same question but remember that they lived on the top floor, there were two apartments below them and the basement was underground. The guy (hard not to drop into swearing so I'll just say "guy") had all the walls lined with rubber sheets.
What's worse is that this guy started building the basement, presumably with this in mind, in 1978!

I'd sentence him to public hanging and then wouldn't carry it out (not that you'd be allowed anyway). Let him live the rest of his life in jail wondering what the morning would bring...

Stark · 29-04-2008 02:55PM

carveone wrote: »

I'd sentence him to public hanging and then wouldn't carry it out (not that you'd be allowed anyway). Let him live the rest of his life in jail wondering what the morning would bring...

Isn't that what they do in America

The question I have regarding the mother is: Did she ever report her daughter as missing? They also said 3 of the kids were staying with the grandparents. Did anyone ever question where those kids came from?

stakey · 29-04-2008 03:12PM

That's depraved. Considering this guy was getting on in his years, his daughter and her children would've been in danger of wasting away down there had he croaked it! He shouldn't have the chance of living on any further unless it's in a 4ft x 4ft room with a 6ft high roof and a hole in the gound...

WindSock · 29-04-2008 03:23PM

How come she didn't die of things like rickets and infections from giving birth unaided, etc?

Pigletlover · 29-04-2008 03:34PM

Papillon87 wrote: »

Absolutely depraved.

But absolutely the wife knew. How were 7 children delivered in her basement without her knowing? How did she never hear the crying of seven babies? How were serious questions not raised by authorities and neighbours when random babies were being dropped on their doorstep? If a child appears outside your door, you contact the police first and foremost.

The wife knowingly let this go on for 24 years. That is equally as disgusting.

I thought the same, but psychologists who watched the reuinion say that she genuinely didn't know a thing. It is strange that the authorities didn't query three babies being being dropped off on their grandparents doorstep, but the father had said that basically she turned crazy and had run off with some religious cult, so maybe they didn't feel the need to investigate.

marco murphy · 29-04-2008 03:58PM

Imagine he died while the captives where inside. Only he knew the code.

Also, this is interesting and true. Wonder what the children feel now.

"Potentially, the children could have led tolerably rich social lives - there were four people there, at least three of them for a long period of time. This isn't a story about a child being locked in a closet all by himself," he told the BBC News website.

He said that in terms of the five-year-old, he would have been unlikely to have known what he was missing.

"As a youngster, your immediate environment is your whole world," he says.

carveone · 29-04-2008 04:19PM

Stark wrote: »

Isn't that what they do in America

Yeah, it was a deliberately leading statement. You could set him free; that might be worse...

The question I have regarding the mother is: Did she ever report her daughter as missing? They also said 3 of the kids were staying with the grandparents. Did anyone ever question where those kids came from?

This guy was apparantly really smart. He'd reported her missing, filled out missing person reports and all. He forced her to write letters saying that the kids were hers, she couldn't look after them, and she was leaving them on the doorstep in their care (the grandparents referred to is this guy and his wife of course).

People wonder how the basement could have been furbished like it was without the wife knowing. This was all done over decades - he was building it for 6 years before she went in there. The guy had secret entrances behind a bookcase. It's totally bizarre.

The_B_Man · 29-04-2008 04:24PM

ye, hopefully that 5yr old can get back to normality, and not turn out like the ginger fella from The Burbs!

So it was an apartment block? I thought it was a house. That makes it more feasible so. although, surely the landlord would have visited the cellar once in them 24 years and noticed its shrunk to half the size.

Dudess · 29-04-2008 06:50PM

Tha Gopher wrote: »

Not forgetting that Hitler fella. He was mad Ted, mad altogether! (and from an inbred background)

Yeah, found that out recently. Interesting.

In the first few hours a rather cnuty prankster could have acquired an army costume and sewed a small USSR flag into it I guess, and proclaimed that she had survived the nuke war in which the Russkies won.

Lol, like that movie Goodbye Lenin.

industria wrote: »

Its a good job Shannon Mathews was found - Imagine finding her in 24 years with 7 kids who look just like her :eek:

Yawn. A girl isn't good looking - who cares about the fact that her life is terrible? Let's tear her to shreds for not being good-looking!

The_B_Man wrote: »

ye, hopefully that 5yr old can get back to normality, and not turn out like the ginger fella from The Burbs!

I wonder how old is too late?

Reminds me of that book Flowers in the Attic - it used to give me nightmares. This is much, much, much worse though.

Papillon87 · 29-04-2008 11:16PM

carveone wrote: »

One tend to ask the same question but remember that they lived on the top floor, there were two apartments below them and the basement was underground. The guy (hard not to drop into swearing so I'll just say "guy") had all the walls lined with rubber sheets.
What's worse is that this guy started building the basement, presumably with this in mind, in 1978!

I'd sentence him to public hanging and then wouldn't carry it out (not that you'd be allowed anyway). Let him live the rest of his life in jail wondering what the morning would bring...

Ooh didn't know it was that far underground. Thanks.

It's still weird about the wife though!

seraphimvc · 30-04-2008 12:03AM

more news:http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3842886.ece

apparently they each have a personal shrink now.take ages to recover or never i say.

something like extreme female version of the book The Count of Monte Cristo...

Lobster · 30-04-2008 12:07AM

I hope this is the last time we see this happening but probaly not. Remember that other girl also from austria I think, a few months ago? Somebody might only be starting that ordeal somewhere in the world today. You would have to commit an awful crime these days to get 24 years in prison which is a lot better than that basement. Wasn't the ceiling only 5ft 6in?

ModeSkeletor · 30-04-2008 01:10AM

If the daughter doesn't press kidnapping charges (and she's also the legal guardian of the other children anyway) what exactly can he be charged with? Is incest illegal over there, and if so I wouldn't imagine it carries that much of a sentence?

dsmythy · 30-04-2008 01:24AM

Another case from Russia a while back. I think it is more than 5 to tell the truth. And these are supposedly first world countries. You can only imagine what goes on in the wilder parts of the world.

Locked in a celler for 24 years and abused.

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