Deactivated militaria

Dr Strange · 05-02-2008 11:39am

woodser wrote: »

Well to be honest nobody has made me an offer of one yet here .Picked up one yesterday for 530 but still interested in another.

Pics would be great!

Grizzly 45 · 10-03-2008 1:44am

I am looking for the German version of the Sten, the MP3008. Found an old water-damaged one for sale in Germany but it was in poor condition so I didn't buy it. Next on the wish list is a MP38 matching numbers and MP40 matching numbers.

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Preusse, you could try www.ssd-weapon.de Sport waffen Dittrich.
He makes a semi copy of the potsdam gerat.And I have seen a deact copy for sale in some german gun mag DWJ.
Might be worth a try
Regds
Grizzly45

Dr Strange · 10-03-2008 8:27am

Hi Grizzly45,

thanks and welcome to the forum! Yes, I know the Dittrich models. The only problem is that I would rather like an original than a copy.

Best,
Preusse

SpitfireIV · 10-03-2008 9:29pm

Preusse, you could try www.ssd-weapon.de Sport waffen Dittrich.
He makes a semi copy of the potsdam gerat.And I have seen a deact copy for sale in some german gun mag DWJ.
Might be worth a try
Regds
Grizzly45

Some interesting articles on that site, pity they're in German, cant read it :rolleyes:. The closest I'll ever get to owning an MP40 is one of these me thinks

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http://www.eirsoft.ie/store/product_info.php?products_id=203&osCsid=902f2ea223530bb849910b8c6ea45d85

doubletap · 12-03-2008 1:07am

Hi
i have a couple of Lee Enfields a No.1 mk3 and a No.4 mk2 both converted to .410 shotgun. what i am looking for is a Lee Enfield p14 Deact. anyone know of one out there.

SpitfireIV · 12-03-2008 1:49am

doubletap wrote: »

Hi
i have a couple of Lee Enfields a No.1 mk3 and a No.4 mk2

Pictures please

Dr Strange · 12-03-2008 10:21am

doubletap wrote: »

... what i am looking for is a Lee Enfield p14 Deact. anyone know of one out there.

Hi there,

they do turn up from time to time on www.egun.de

doubletap · 12-03-2008 9:35pm

CroppyBoy1798 wrote: »

Pictures please

the No.1 Mk.3 is a 1919 Lithgow (on left) and the No.4 Mk.2 is a 1949 from Fazerkly

SpitfireIV · 12-03-2008 9:41pm

Very nice!

I have a 1918 de-ac No1 MkIII* myself. I'm passionate about Lee Enfields, particularly the No1

Dr Strange · 12-03-2008 9:44pm

doubletap wrote: »

the No.1 Mk.3 is a 1919 Lithgow (on left) and the No.4 Mk.2 is a 1949 from Fazerkly

Nice rifles! Thanks for sharing them with us. Keep 'em coming.

SpitfireIV · 15-03-2008 2:08am

Here's a ew pics of my SMLE and some of its accesories, the weapon is of course deactivated and certified.

Its a No1 MkIII*, made in by Ishapore Small Arms in Bengal, India. It was manufactured in 1918 and as India at that time was part of the British Empire this No1 is made to the exact specs and quality to those produced by BSA, Lithgow, LSA etc etc, (The Ishapores or 'Ishy's' get bad press).

This example has had a particularly eventful life, being that it was made in India it would have been well used and abused! And I believe at some stage in its life it had a spell in Nepal perhaps, lots of nice touch to this example, for instance, the original (very dark!) walnut buttstock, rosewood forearm (many of these were replaced in the 40's with mahogany or teak) and a second variantion nosecap with no lightening cuts, these were only produced by Ishapore between 1917 and 1918 I believe and are as rare as hens teeth! And early 'No 2' magazine and the beloved 'Ishy screw'.

Unfortunately not all the numbers match, the reciever, barrell and rear sight match, the rest are off, but that doesnt bother me

The other items in the picture are a pattern 1903 five pocket bandoleer (black to signify artillery use) dated 1922. A Pattern 1907, Chapman bayonet with issue date of March 1917. A c.1917 relic condition No1 MkII wire cutter, a charger clip with five used .303 shells and a brass oil container and pull through.

I dont even want to think about how much I spent on all this!!

:eek: But I dont regret it, I'd have more if it were easy to get!

Enjoy.....

doubletap · 15-03-2008 2:22am

where did you get the wire cutter, i've been looking for one for a while.

doubletap · 15-03-2008 2:30am

Hi croppyboy1798 the cocking piece on your rifle looks like its from a later period then the rifle, i thing the cocking piece should be round?

SpitfireIV · 15-03-2008 5:10am

Hi doubletap, for a 1918 MkIII* the cocking piece is the correct type, the round cocking piece would be more typical of MkIII and early MkIII*'s (1916/17) but they can turn up on MkIII*'s either, all depends what was in the parts bucket at the time and of course parts would have been chopped and changed over the years. For a short period after WW1 Lithgow and BSA reverted back to MKIII standard so you'll find odd combinations of parts. I dont see a cutoff on yours, or the lowered wood by the reciever, but has it got a cut off slot?

The wire cutter I got off e-bay, cant remember what I payed for it, wasnt too much I think, unfortunately its well beyond use

, I fabricated a cross bolt and nut to replace the missing original, so it can be fixed to the muzzle of the gun. There are more pics of it in the 'relic and excavated items' thread.

Cheers

Dr Strange · 15-03-2008 11:21am

Thanks for the detailed pics of your SMLE, CB1798!

doubletap · 15-03-2008 2:57pm

CroppyBoy1798 wrote: »

Hi doubletap, for a 1918 MkIII* the cocking piece is the correct type, the round cocking piece would be more typical of MkIII and early MkIII*'s (1916/17) but they can turn up on MkIII*'s either, all depends what was in the parts bucket at the time and of course parts would have been chopped and changed over the years. For a short period after WW1 Lithgow and BSA reverted back to MKIII standard so you'll find odd combinations of parts. I dont see a cutoff on yours, or the lowered wood by the reciever, but has it got a cut off slot?

The wire cutter I got off e-bay, cant remember what I payed for it, wasnt too much I think, unfortunately its well beyond use , I fabricated a cross bolt and nut to replace the missing original, so it can be fixed to the muzzle of the gun. There are more pics of it in the 'relic and excavated items' thread.

Cheers

no cutoff slot but does have windage adjustment on rear sight

arnhem44 · 15-03-2008 4:20pm

Hey everybody,i just joined up and wanted to say thak god theirs people like you guys out there.I've been searching for ages for information regarding buying deactivated guns,i tried the garda website and justice website and they only deal in live weapons,also a friend of mine who is a garda couldn't give me any straight answers so nothing but dead ends everywhere i looked,after reading ye're posts i was wondering do you need to hold a firearms license to be able to import these guns into the country?,and if so can a licence be got without having a live firearm?

SpitfireIV · 15-03-2008 4:50pm

doubletap wrote: »

no cutoff slot but does have windage adjustment on rear sight

Lithgow, strangely reverted back to MKIII production after WW1 and continued fitting the, by then, obsolete magazine cutoff until '41 or '42 I think, your reciever was possibly made before the changeover or one that was made previously and used. BSA started fitting the cutoffs too, but gave up the practice not long after.

Mine has a windage adjustable rear sight too, but unfortunately the protector 'ears' on mine are the straight, non stepped version typically seen on 2A's or 2A1's :rolleyes:

Dr Strange · 15-03-2008 4:54pm

arnhem44 wrote: »

Hey everybody,i just joined up and wanted to say thak god theirs people like you guys out there.I've been searching for ages for information regarding buying deactivated guns,i tried the garda website and justice website and they only deal in live weapons,also a friend of mine who is a garda couldn't give me any straight answers so nothing but dead ends everywhere i looked,after reading ye're posts i was wondering do you need to hold a firearms license to be able to import these guns into the country?,and if so can a licence be got without having a live firearm?

Hi Arnhem44,

welcome to the forum! No, you do not need to have a fireamrs licence in order to buy and possess a deactivated firearm. However, you will have to apply to your local Superintendent for an Article 7 authorisation to import a "defective firearm" into the country. S/he may also give you a letter that states that it is ok for you to own a deactivated firearm. In any case your best bet is to talk to your local station about it before applying for the article 7 authorisation. You will need the make and serial number of the deactivated firearm when applying for the authorisation. Any seller of the deact will usually supply that to you on request. If it is an item you saw at auction you may want to contact the seller before bidding to make sure they ship to Ireland. Also ask them if it would be ok for you as the winning bidder to wait with the shipment of the item until you have the Art. 7. They are usually ok with it as long as you have already payed in advance. However, it is no use to bid on an item before you even know that you can get an Article 7 as you are obliged to pay the auction fee in any case. So you might end up paying for something but it will be stuck in another country because of the lack of import licence.

Hope that helps a bit.

arnhem44 · 15-03-2008 6:19pm

Hi Preusse,thank you so much for the information,its gladly recieved,i feel like ive been banging my head against the wall for ages over this,i've collected helmets medals and the odd bayonet for sometime now but its the ww2 weapons that really interest me,i was wondering if anyone here had ever bought anything off a site called SpecialistAuctions.com or rytonarms.co.uk,the latter posts here.once again thanks for the info:)

Dr Strange · 15-03-2008 6:37pm

Personally, I haven't bought from either of these but had a look and they seem ok. I am aware of most UK dealers not wanting to ship to Ireland so it is good to know of some that actually do ship to Ireland.

arnhem44 · 24-03-2008 10:53pm

Just wondering where a person would stand with the law if they came across or had in their possesion and old weapon,would it have to be handed in to get destroyed or could it be deactivated here and kept,i came across someone once who had a civil war enfield,the woodwork had been attacked by wood worm and some of the outer metalwork was rusting but everything else seemed perfect for its age and considering it was kept in and old damp outhouse,every now and then old guns appear from inside the walls of old bulidings down this way,i guess a heavy I.R.A presence here years ago.

Grizzly 45 · 25-03-2008 1:06am

Hmmm,well if it is functioning and has a clear barrel it proably is still a workable firearm,and can be either deacted or checked over by a gunsmith and still used and liscensed.If it is a totally rusted solid piece of iron,it is junk and will be seen as such.Wouldnt think a solidly rusted up gun would need a deact liscense.but best still to check with the gardai

sidneyreilly · 25-03-2008 1:40pm

It stills needs permission I'm afraid, the legal speak is actually authorisation for a "defective firearm"

Dr Strange · 25-03-2008 5:21pm

sidneyreilly wrote: »

It stills needs permission I'm afraid, the legal speak is actually authorisation for a "defective firearm"

As sidneyreilly said.

arnhem44 · 26-03-2008 12:25am

It is a pity to see something like this lying about just rotting away,i guess these things hold more of a sentimental value to some people and thats why they hold on to them.its funny how much stuff is lying about still,a few years back at work i remember we found a pineapple grenade,good condition and well and truly deactivated,not sure how old it was,it was beside a large tree that we were digging out near a house,god only knows how it got there,the guy who owns the house still has it,i might try and get a photo and post it up here,someone might be able to give it an age

kowloon · 01-04-2008 4:04pm

Rang up someone in the UK to buy a deact today and it appears that following the toy gun ban most carriers in the UK now won't deal with deacts or lives.
Rang around and the deact sellers i know of that used to ship here no longer deal out of the UK.
Lost out on a Bren for £200 :mad:.

arnhem44 · 02-04-2008 3:01pm

I won a k98 yesterday for £175,shipping it to my sister in laws in London and hopefully the gaurds will give me the article 7 form that Preusse was kind enough to explain to me lately,and will get her to post it from there,hope she doesn't run into any problems,fingers crossed.

arnhem44 · 26-04-2008 7:55pm

Picked up a ww2 webley during the week,£130 for it,i'm not sure if that was alot to pay for it or not,i,'m also looking at a Mosin Nagant rifle at the moment,this was deactivated in Germany but has no paperwork with it,i was wondering if anyone knew wheather the deacts are supplied with a cert or not from Germany,this guy lives in Belgium so i'm not sure

Dr Strange · 26-04-2008 9:22pm

arnhem44 wrote: »

Picked up a ww2 webley during the week,£130 for it,i'm not sure if that was alot to pay for it or not,i,'m also looking at a Mosin Nagant rifle at the moment,this was deactivated in Germany but has no paperwork with it,i was wondering if anyone knew wheather the deacts are supplied with a cert or not from Germany,this guy lives in Belgium so i'm not sure

Hi there,

no, not all deacts in Germany come with certs. It depends on when the deactivation was carried out. Sometimes they do have the markings of the BKA (Bundeskriminalamt), or Federal Criminal Bureau, stamped on them to demonstrate that they have been checked and found to be completely deactivated. So, different deactivation time periods, different markings/papers.

Deactivated militaria

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