Sniffer Dogs at nightclubs, approve?

Cabaal · 18-04-2008 02:58PM

Rob_l wrote: »

II think its a bad idea people who take drugs wont stop but will instead take more before entering a premises to last for the night this could result in more hospitalizations and at worst deaths.

yes thats called natural selection at work

If your that bloody stupid to do that then nature will weed you out

Cianos · 18-04-2008 03:03PM

The clubs are probably hiring these dogs and handlers because people drink less when they're on drugs. So they will probably make the money back at the bar as the % of people on drugs in the club declines. So, I doubt it'll make a difference to the level of violence, and it may in fact increase it.

Frisbee · 18-04-2008 03:07PM

Great Idea imo.
The amount of times I've been asked did I have or want to buy drugs in the toilet of a nightclub is ridiculous...

Ross_Mahon · 18-04-2008 03:09PM

Huge Alsations that can smell drugs from a mile...:rolleyes:

I am Ross Mahon and i approve of this message!

Sir Gallagher · 18-04-2008 03:09PM

Frisbee, maybe your going to the wrong type of places?

Overheal · 18-04-2008 03:10PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Unless sniffer dogs can detect enlarged puples they are not going to stop lads taking pills just before they enter the night club.

But it stops them from carrying them in and hence dealing

Wertz · 18-04-2008 03:14PM

Once they keep them in Banbridge it's all good...f*ckin' kip, 'specially the Coach.
As someone who used run the gauntlet of bouncers and drug searches getting into clubs, with my own personal in my pocket, obviously I don't approve of this...but I do understand that clubs have a duty of care to their patrons and have to uphold the law to fulfil their license.
Personally when I do go out anymore with the intention of taking drugs in a nightclub setting (which is a rarity), I'd always do them before going into the club anyhow. Be well peeved if some feckin' dog started going bananas because I have enough for a few spliffs on me for later.

The way nightclubs are down south of late, you'd need to be on drugs to want go to them...

[edit] WRT; INLA/CIRA/RIRA on the doors...in Banbridge? lol
That post does make the real point that these dogs are to catch dealers not users...in circumstances where doorstaff like to control just who it is selling drugs on their turf, I can see the advantages...

Ross_Mahon · 18-04-2008 03:15PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Unless sniffer dogs can detect enlarged puples they are not going to stop lads taking pills just before they enter the night club.

That would be one fricken cool dog! Is it true dogs can smell fear?

Cullilingus · 18-04-2008 03:19PM

Rob_l wrote: »

I dont think this will happen the way I see it is the dog would not just be handed over to a doorman but would be provided with a handler trained how to control the dog, the dog is then also highly trained and when these dogs find drugs they are trained not to attack or jump on the person but to sit down in front of them.

I think its a bad idea people who take drugs wont stop but will instead take more before entering a premises to last for the night this could result in more hospitalizations and at worst deaths.

I can imagine half of the people who notice the dogs trying to get them drunk when their handlers arent looking. I'd like to see what their training is worth then! :pac:

Sir Gallagher · 18-04-2008 03:19PM

Wertz wrote: »

The way nightclubs are down south of late, you'd need to be on drugs to want go to them...

Amen.

Sir Gallagher · 18-04-2008 03:21PM

Cullilingus wrote: »

I can imagine half of the people who notice the dogs trying to get them drunk when their handlers arent looking. I'd like to see what their training is worth then! :pac:

The dogs wouldn't be inside the club.

ferdi · 18-04-2008 03:31PM

It'll work until someone figures out that all they have to do is get one of their mates (who isnt going to the club) to run up beside the dog, blow a load of white pepper at its face and leg it before bouncers or dog handler can react. The dog will have a zero detection rate for a good proportion of the night after that.

/anti drug initiative dies.

I am not condoning attacking dogs with pepper.

teaholic · 18-04-2008 03:34PM

I think sniffer dogs outside clubs are a fantastic idea.

They should be on the doors of bars and pubs too, my boyfriend works as a doorman and hes 6ft 2 and 17 1/2 stone rugby player and the amount of people off of their faces on whatnot that think they can take him on is shocking, his employer is now thinking of buying stabproof vests too because of reports on the number of people carrying knives.

Anyone stupid enough to get caught into drugs in the first place deserves what they get but not the doorman and security man who have to put up with the consequences on a nightly basis of having to call ambulances to some idiot who passes out from drugs or an overdose or the one who starts a huge fight on the dance floor.

There will always be some poor smuck in the middle of no where having a heart attack and the ambulance is helping someone who doesnt deserve it.

Cullilingus · 18-04-2008 03:35PM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

The dogs wouldn't be inside the club.

They wouldnt have to be, the front of the nightclub can be very packed at peak hours as well, and people trying to smuggle drink in is not paricularily rare.

Not really my point tho. Drunk people and animals dont mix, and theres a very good chance that one of the animals will be abused by some drunken muppet to the point that it will turn on someone.

Sir Gallagher · 18-04-2008 03:40PM

Yeah it's true it's just a recipe for disaster! It's just an all round bad idea, still cant believe some people would be happy with it, puppets.

nomorebadtown · 18-04-2008 03:43PM

teaholic wrote: »

the doorman and security man who have to put up with the consequences on a nightly basis of having to call ambulances to some idiot who passes out from drugs or an overdose or the one who starts a huge fight on the dance floor.

And your bf never has to call an ambulance for people who has been served too much alcohol by his employer? Its always the untaxed drugs that the publican does not make money from which causes the problems?

Earthhorse · 18-04-2008 03:44PM

I agree with these measures. As it stands, there is not enough fear involved in your average night out.

We should probably have watch towers inside of clubs as well and line the dancefloor with mines.

Wertz · 18-04-2008 03:45PM

teaholic wrote: »

They should be on the doors of bars and pubs too, my boyfriend works as a doorman and hes 6ft 2 and 17 1/2 stone rugby player and the amount of people off of their faces on whatnot that think they can take him on is shocking...

What's even more shocking is that someone like your b/f believes that it's drugs that are the problem in this regard. The only drug I've ever taken (and I've taken a few) that makes you outwardly violent is primarily alcohol.
People need to get over this concept that people on pills and coke suddenly turn into the incredible hulk and start taking on everyone and anyone around them....there's a certain type of bloke/girl who does that...they'll do it sober to an extent, they'll do it a thousandfold more when a drink is taken. Other illegal drugs would have little influence, barring perhaps the ability for those on certain drugs to drink even more.
This isn't really about legality or the safety of staff and patrons...it's about maximising profits, which are hurt when people are seen to drink less because they spent their money on other recreational substances, or don't want to mx'n'match too mcuh...

teaholic · 18-04-2008 03:48PM

nomorebadtown wrote: »

And your bf never has to call an ambulance for people who has been served too much alcohol by his employer? Its always the untaxed drugs that the publican does not make money from which causes the problems?

Yes hes had to do that too, but the majority of calls are drug-related, they can start fights too. A friend of ours was attacked and had his bottom lip torn down his jaw from where some lad bit him. A bag of coke was found in the attackers pocket.

Sir Gallagher · 18-04-2008 03:48PM

Earthhorse wrote: »

I agree with these measures. As it stands, there is not enough fear involved in your average night out.

We should probably have watch towers inside of clubs as well and line the dancefloor with mines.

Sounds like Tomango's.

nomorebadtown · 18-04-2008 03:49PM

Earthhorse wrote: »

I agree with these measures. As it stands, there is not enough fear involved in your average night out.

We should probably have watch towers inside of clubs as well and line the dancefloor with mines.

Lol. I know quite a few people who wont enter an establishment if they see too many angry looking doormen standing outside, simpley because it creates a negative intimidating atmosphere, not condusive to a nice night out. Good luck attracting peaceful customers with ****ing dogs outside. madness.

Sir Gallagher · 18-04-2008 03:50PM

teaholic wrote: »

Yes hes had to do that too, but the majority of calls are drug-related, they can start fights too. A friend of ours was attacked and had his bottom lip torn down his jaw from where some lad bit him. A bag of coke was found in the attackers pocket.

I've never seen a bag of coke with teeth.

nomorebadtown · 18-04-2008 03:50PM

teaholic wrote: »

Yes hes had to do that too, but the majority of calls are drug-related

i doubt it but maybe he works in a total sh!thole.

teaholic · 18-04-2008 03:58PM

nomorebadtown wrote: »

i doubt it but maybe he works in a total sh!thole.

He might make 2 or 3 a month and both drink and/or drug related.

It sounds to me that people are defending drug users and people who drink themself senseless.

Dont get me wrong, I love to go out for a few with the lads and girls but I've never passed out from drink (or done drugs for that matter). The only time was when my drink was spiked (not in the same town were my bf works) It happened after about 2 drinks and I knew something wasnt right and so did my friends, the pioneer of our group took me to hospital and luckily no lasting effects.

Wertz · 18-04-2008 04:03PM

teaholic wrote: »

It sounds to me that people are defending drug users and people who drink themself senseless.

What's so wrong about using drugs? Illegal yes, but wrong? You yourself have said in that post that you like to go out for a few with your friends...who doesn't? You do of course realise that alcohol is a drug as well right?

As for defending people who drink themselves senseless, the culture and the establishments in question are the ones who facilitate and profit from that practice...they really have to take the bad with the good in that regard...

teaholic · 18-04-2008 04:18PM

Wertz wrote: »

You do of course realise that alcohol is a drug as well right?

yes I do realise alcohol is classed as a drug. What I also know is that it is regulated, tested and impurities in it are removed before consumption.

If cocaine and heroin are not correctly manufactured, i.e by some organic chemistry student, the consequences can be horrific, there was a case a couple of years ago in the States where this happened and because the drug wasnt purified of contaminants, hundreds of students developed Parkinsons disease.

and no I am NOT saying go make and grow your own, I'm saying no one knows where any of the unregulated drugs are coming from.

nomorebadtown · 18-04-2008 04:21PM

teaholic wrote: »

I'm saying no one knows where any of the unregulated drugs are coming from.

who cares! they get you fooked:pac:

Sir Gallagher · 18-04-2008 04:25PM

nomorebadtown wrote: »

teaholic wrote: »

who cares! they get you fooked:pac:

Lol, yep! If this turns into a legalise drugs debate i'll kill myself!

A question to teaholic though, why are you lumping all drugs in together?
Nobody mentioned Herion and its hardly a club drug, so why would you bring it up?

Wertz · 18-04-2008 04:27PM

teaholic wrote: »

Wertz wrote: »

You do of course realise that alcohol is a drug as well right?

yes I do realise alcohol is classed as a drug. What I also know is that it is regulated, tested and impurities in it are removed before consumption.

If cocaine and heroin are not correctly manufactured, i.e by some organic chemistry student, the consequences can be horrific, there was a case a couple of years ago in the States where this happened and because the drug wasnt purified of contaminants, hundreds of students developed Parkinsons disease.

and no I am NOT saying go make and grow your own, I'm saying no one knows where any of the unregulated drugs are coming from.

Okay so impurities cause violence in club/pub drug users?
Or are you saying that you feel safer taking alcohol because you know what's in it?

I'd be interested to read more on that case in the US...got a link?

I know where my unregulated drugs are coming from...the same place they've always come from; criminals. Which is kind of the problem, but that's a debate for another thread...
I'm not picking an argument here, I'm just annoyed at people pre/mis conceptions about illegal drugs, especially when they have no direct experience to go on and are relying on hearsay, anecdote and rumour...

teaholic · 18-04-2008 04:31PM

I know its not a usual "club drug" but i was using it as an example of what can happen. Cocaine can be cut with rat poison and god knows what else and there is always a stronger and more potent drug on the black market that can do untold damage to a person.

And its the (mostly) innocent people at the end of the night who suffer the consequences of some crowd who are behaving in an inappropriate manner be it drink and/or drug related

Sniffer Dogs at nightclubs, approve?

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