Sniffer Dogs at nightclubs, approve?

gurramok

Spotted this story up north about sniffer dogs being used to 'crack down on illegal drug use' at nightclubs.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/7352751.stm

Cannabis, cocaine detected so far.

Is this the holy grail for getting drugs out of the clubs ?

I can just see users getting pumped up before entering and getting hallucinations when they see the dog

bbc wrote:

Nightclubs in County Down are putting permanent sniffer dogs on their doors to root out people smuggling drugs.

Several premises in Banbridge are using the specially trained animals, which are usually seen trying to detect contraband at airports.

Ten people were detected with drugs on the first night springer spaniel Molly began work at the BLU nightclub at the Bannville House Hotel.

Quantities of cannabis and cocaine were confiscated and the police were called.

A sniffer dog is also being used to screen people entering the Coach nightclub in the town centre.

The animals are operated by a company which specialises in dog handling and the detection of illegal drugs.

Overheal

I approve!

Used to work in a club and it always bothered me that you could never be sure wtf was really going on in there.

If they can train them to sniff out date rape substances all the better.

Sherifu

Wouldn't bother me.

Pighead

Sherifu wrote: »

Wouldn't bother me.

Sherifu's used to the sight of dogs in nightclus. Although its usually him doing the sniffing.

xzanti

They have them at Escape in Amsterdam, the amount of people who left the que when they saw them was unreal, very funny... It was the local police who instigated it though, not the club...

Black Swan

Have a snifter of brandy with your sniffer?

As it said in that article, on one night it stopped ten people with drugs going in. I think its a fantastic idea. They should have trained "People-Who-Turn-Into-Violent-Morons-After-A-Few-Drinks" sniffer dogs.

WhiteWashMan

since i dont do or carry drugs, it wouldnt bother me in the slightest.

i cant think why anyone would be worried about it.
oh, hold on...

connundrum

I'd love to have a sniffer dog on the door, it'd make my job soo much easier. At the moment we've to be on the look out for shifty/dodgy looking individuals, and basically follow them for the night to see if they do something stupid.

Bendihorse

Wouldn't bother me cos i dont do or carry but i can see why plenty of people would object... generally people on stuff in clubs dont bother me so i dont know if id actively advocate raining on their parade either.

df1985

wouldnt have a problem either with it-dont touch the stuff but if people know there's gonna be a sniffer dog will they take all their pills/coke before they go in and then end up overdosing?? the coach in banbridge is a big drug spot (or was anyway before the dog).

Jigsaw

Tbh I would choose not to socialise in a bar/nightclub that felt the need to have bloody sniffer dogs on the door. Hardly indicative of a high class of clientele, is it?

goodlad

Jigsaw wrote: »

Tbh I would choose not to socialise in a bar/nightclub that felt the need to have bloody sniffer dogs on the door. Hardly indicative of a high class of clientele, is it?

Seems like your implying places that do have "high class clientele" wouldnt have anyone with drugs in heading into the place.

Lets face it, drugs are in every scene. The sniffer dogs are a great idea!

connundrum

Jigsaw wrote: »

Tbh I would choose not to socialise in a bar/nightclub that felt the need to have bloody sniffer dogs on the door. Hardly indicative of a high class of clientele, is it?

Is it the dogs or the people taking drugs which would cause the bigger issue for you?

tolosenc

Overheal wrote: »

I approve!

Used to work in a club and it always bothered me that you could never be sure wtf was really going on in there.

If they can train them to sniff out date rape substances all the better.

+1

How's about ones that maul scumbags aswell? Or should I just keep dreaming?

Shryke

I do not approve. People getting wasted and start fighting, ****ing and generally acting like complete retards is fine, but getting high? God no. They might... sit down or, or get the munchies. The horror!!!

Mutz

Can't see it working to be honest as alot of the clubs that appear to be legit are dodgy (e.g. INLA and CIRA have "the door" - that should speak for itself really).

Plenty of money out there so they'd be damaging business. It's be nice tho - can imagine the dog controller using the dog as a chat up line to all the young ones on skimpy skirts! :eek: :pac:

goodlad

Sandor wrote: »

I do not approve. People getting wasted and start fighting, ****ing and generally acting like complete retards is fine, but getting high? God no. They might... sit down or, or get the munchies. The horror!!!

If you really thought about that before posting i dont think you would of post.
What about the people who do take drugs and start fights etc.. Yeah some people relax as you say but some dont.
Just like your point about people who get drunk, some relax and have fun and others start fights. So really you have no point.

Where as alcohol is legal and the drugs are not. So bring on the sniffer dogs!

Cullilingus

Id imagine sticking dogs in an enviroment full of unpredictable buckled drunk eejits would result in a lot of freaked out doggies. Ofc they'd be trained not to freak out under these circumstance, but at the end of the day, they're animals.

Shryke

goodlad wrote: »

If you really thought about that before posting i dont think you would of post.
What about the people who do take drugs and start fights etc.. Yeah some people relax as you say but some dont.
Just like your point about people who get drunk, some relax and have fun and others start fights. So really you have no point.

Where as alcohol is legal and the drugs are not. So bring on the sniffer dogs!

You're saying illegal drugs and alcohol have the same effect. The only stipulation being drugs are illegal, (not taxed). Maybe you'd like to make alcohol illegal? You don't seem to have much of a view beyond 'Yay drink, nay drugs'. It sounds like you have no point.

Edit: To make myself sound like less of a bollux, whats your view on any substance that causes a violent reaction?

thelordofcheese

Cullilingus wrote: »

Id imagine sticking dogs in an enviroment full of unpredictable buckled drunk eejits would result in a lot of freaked out doggies. Ofc they'd be trained not to freak out under these circumstance, but at the end of the day, they're animals.

This.
I'm waiting until one dog freaks out and tears the face off of someone, which'll put the kibosh on this idea pretty quickly.

Rob_l

thelordofcheese wrote: »

This.
I'm waiting until one dog freaks out and tears the face off of someone, which'll put the kibosh on this idea pretty quickly.

I dont think this will happen the way I see it is the dog would not just be handed over to a doorman but would be provided with a handler trained how to control the dog, the dog is then also highly trained and when these dogs find drugs they are trained not to attack or jump on the person but to sit down in front of them.

I think its a bad idea people who take drugs wont stop but will instead take more before entering a premises to last for the night this could result in more hospitalizations and at worst deaths.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

i don't see the point in this tbh, it's the people on alcohol that are starting all the fights and trouble not the ****ers loved up on e.

Run_to_da_hills

Unless sniffer dogs can detect enlarged puples they are not going to stop lads taking pills just before they enter the night club.

Sir Gallagher

It's an idea by silly billies for silly billies!

If they brought it in down here it'd be a disaster, going out in Dublin is poxy enough with drink prices, door prices and nazi doormen and some people want sniffer dogs too! Hillarious carry-on. If people don't want to do illegal drugs that's fine but why would you advocate ruining a night out for the next man just because he's doing something that makes his night more enjoyable for him!

Even the thought of sniffer dogs on doors annoys me, do people honestly want this type of thing??? We're supposed to be going out and having a good time people not going through customs and excise to get into a club, it's shocking!

For instance, a few weeks ago i was out by Portmarnock for a 21st and went to Tomangos at the door the bouncer scanned my passport into this computer thing and all my details came up on this screen so basically they had all my information on their database, i was thinking "what the **** is this all about" but said nothing as i had to get in. Then when we got in my girlfriend left the jackets in where there was a fingerprinting machine to identify her for when she was getting the jackets out, i couldn't believe it! The only reason i put up with this bollox was because i was out for a birthday, i would never give details like that to any establisment in town, it's a disgrace!

Do people really want this Big Brother style behaviour when all we want is a good night out?

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goodlad wrote: »

If you really thought about that before posting i dont think you would of post.
What about the people who do take drugs and start fights etc.. Yeah some people relax as you say but some dont.
Just like your point about people who get drunk, some relax and have fun and others start fights. So really you have no point.

Where as alcohol is legal and the drugs are not. So bring on the sniffer dogs!

What sad times they are. When exactly was the last time you decided not to go to a pub based on the fact that there might people there on drugs starting fights? your talking utter rot there. What kind of drugs do you think incite voilence exactly?
The only reason i can see anyone backing this is so they can give themselves a sanctanmonious pat on the back 'i dont take drugs, so it doesn't bother me'.

Jigsaw

goodlad wrote: »

Seems like your implying places that do have "high class clientele" wouldnt have anyone with drugs in heading into the place.

Lets face it, drugs are in every scene. The sniffer dogs are a great idea!

Drugs are indeed in every scene, and I do not support the use of drugs at all. However, there is clearly a distinction to be made between some scumbag with his gelled fringe and checked shirt off his face on a cocktail of drugs and someone going into a more upmarket place having done a line or two. I'm not saying either are laudable behaviour but I am asking whether or not you recognise that there is a distinction there. I know whose company I'd rather be in.

Jigsaw

connundrum wrote: »

Is it the dogs or the people taking drugs which would cause the bigger issue for you?

Perhaps I shouldn't have posted because it would probably be the people taking the drugs so I am going off topic as the thread is about sniffer dogs. Anywhere that needs a permanent sniffer dog presence can't be up to much.

Sherifu

Pighead wrote: »

Sherifu's used to the sight of dogs in nightclus. Although its usually him doing the sniffing.

Led me to yore ma right enough.

Jumpy

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thelordofcheese

Rob_l wrote: »

I dont think this will happen the way I see it is the dog would not just be handed over to a doorman but would be provided with a handler trained how to control the dog, the dog is then also highly trained and when these dogs find drugs they are trained not to attack or jump on the person but to sit down in front of them.

yes, i know what they are trained to do, but they're usually used in airports and such, not outside nightclubs with stupidly loud music and people. Loud noises scare the bejesus out of dogs, so i'm wondering how long before something goes horribly wrong?

(or, depending on who they maul, horribly right)

Cabaal

Rob_l wrote: »

II think its a bad idea people who take drugs wont stop but will instead take more before entering a premises to last for the night this could result in more hospitalizations and at worst deaths.

yes thats called natural selection at work
If your that bloody stupid to do that then nature will weed you out

Cianos

The clubs are probably hiring these dogs and handlers because people drink less when they're on drugs. So they will probably make the money back at the bar as the % of people on drugs in the club declines. So, I doubt it'll make a difference to the level of violence, and it may in fact increase it.

Frisbee

Great Idea imo.
The amount of times I've been asked did I have or want to buy drugs in the toilet of a nightclub is ridiculous...

Ross_Mahon

Huge Alsations that can smell drugs from a mile...:rolleyes:

I am Ross Mahon and i approve of this message!

Sir Gallagher

Frisbee, maybe your going to the wrong type of places?

Overheal

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Unless sniffer dogs can detect enlarged puples they are not going to stop lads taking pills just before they enter the night club.

But it stops them from carrying them in and hence dealing

Wertz

Once they keep them in Banbridge it's all good...f*ckin' kip, 'specially the Coach.
As someone who used run the gauntlet of bouncers and drug searches getting into clubs, with my own personal in my pocket, obviously I don't approve of this...but I do understand that clubs have a duty of care to their patrons and have to uphold the law to fulfil their license.
Personally when I do go out anymore with the intention of taking drugs in a nightclub setting (which is a rarity), I'd always do them before going into the club anyhow. Be well peeved if some feckin' dog started going bananas because I have enough for a few spliffs on me for later.

The way nightclubs are down south of late, you'd need to be on drugs to want go to them...

[edit] WRT; INLA/CIRA/RIRA on the doors...in Banbridge? lol
That post does make the real point that these dogs are to catch dealers not users...in circumstances where doorstaff like to control just who it is selling drugs on their turf, I can see the advantages...

Ross_Mahon

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Unless sniffer dogs can detect enlarged puples they are not going to stop lads taking pills just before they enter the night club.

That would be one fricken cool dog! Is it true dogs can smell fear?

Cullilingus

Rob_l wrote: »

I dont think this will happen the way I see it is the dog would not just be handed over to a doorman but would be provided with a handler trained how to control the dog, the dog is then also highly trained and when these dogs find drugs they are trained not to attack or jump on the person but to sit down in front of them.

I think its a bad idea people who take drugs wont stop but will instead take more before entering a premises to last for the night this could result in more hospitalizations and at worst deaths.

I can imagine half of the people who notice the dogs trying to get them drunk when their handlers arent looking. I'd like to see what their training is worth then! :pac:

Sir Gallagher

Wertz wrote: »

The way nightclubs are down south of late, you'd need to be on drugs to want go to them...

Amen.

Sir Gallagher

Cullilingus wrote: »

I can imagine half of the people who notice the dogs trying to get them drunk when their handlers arent looking. I'd like to see what their training is worth then! :pac:

The dogs wouldn't be inside the club.

ferdi

It'll work until someone figures out that all they have to do is get one of their mates (who isnt going to the club) to run up beside the dog, blow a load of white pepper at its face and leg it before bouncers or dog handler can react. The dog will have a zero detection rate for a good proportion of the night after that.

/anti drug initiative dies.

I am not condoning attacking dogs with pepper.

teaholic

I think sniffer dogs outside clubs are a fantastic idea.

They should be on the doors of bars and pubs too, my boyfriend works as a doorman and hes 6ft 2 and 17 1/2 stone rugby player and the amount of people off of their faces on whatnot that think they can take him on is shocking, his employer is now thinking of buying stabproof vests too because of reports on the number of people carrying knives.

Anyone stupid enough to get caught into drugs in the first place deserves what they get but not the doorman and security man who have to put up with the consequences on a nightly basis of having to call ambulances to some idiot who passes out from drugs or an overdose or the one who starts a huge fight on the dance floor.

There will always be some poor smuck in the middle of no where having a heart attack and the ambulance is helping someone who doesnt deserve it.

Cullilingus

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

The dogs wouldn't be inside the club.

They wouldnt have to be, the front of the nightclub can be very packed at peak hours as well, and people trying to smuggle drink in is not paricularily rare.

Not really my point tho. Drunk people and animals dont mix, and theres a very good chance that one of the animals will be abused by some drunken muppet to the point that it will turn on someone.

Sir Gallagher

Yeah it's true it's just a recipe for disaster! It's just an all round bad idea, still cant believe some people would be happy with it, puppets.

nomorebadtown

teaholic wrote: »

the doorman and security man who have to put up with the consequences on a nightly basis of having to call ambulances to some idiot who passes out from drugs or an overdose or the one who starts a huge fight on the dance floor.

And your bf never has to call an ambulance for people who has been served too much alcohol by his employer? Its always the untaxed drugs that the publican does not make money from which causes the problems?

Earthhorse

I agree with these measures. As it stands, there is not enough fear involved in your average night out.

We should probably have watch towers inside of clubs as well and line the dancefloor with mines.

Wertz

teaholic wrote: »

They should be on the doors of bars and pubs too, my boyfriend works as a doorman and hes 6ft 2 and 17 1/2 stone rugby player and the amount of people off of their faces on whatnot that think they can take him on is shocking...

What's even more shocking is that someone like your b/f believes that it's drugs that are the problem in this regard. The only drug I've ever taken (and I've taken a few) that makes you outwardly violent is primarily alcohol.
People need to get over this concept that people on pills and coke suddenly turn into the incredible hulk and start taking on everyone and anyone around them....there's a certain type of bloke/girl who does that...they'll do it sober to an extent, they'll do it a thousandfold more when a drink is taken. Other illegal drugs would have little influence, barring perhaps the ability for those on certain drugs to drink even more.
This isn't really about legality or the safety of staff and patrons...it's about maximising profits, which are hurt when people are seen to drink less because they spent their money on other recreational substances, or don't want to mx'n'match too mcuh...

teaholic

nomorebadtown wrote: »

And your bf never has to call an ambulance for people who has been served too much alcohol by his employer? Its always the untaxed drugs that the publican does not make money from which causes the problems?

Yes hes had to do that too, but the majority of calls are drug-related, they can start fights too. A friend of ours was attacked and had his bottom lip torn down his jaw from where some lad bit him. A bag of coke was found in the attackers pocket.

Sir Gallagher

Earthhorse wrote: »

I agree with these measures. As it stands, there is not enough fear involved in your average night out.

We should probably have watch towers inside of clubs as well and line the dancefloor with mines.

Sounds like Tomango's.