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Parents pick prayer over doctors; girl dies

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭danger mouse


    Overheal wrote: »
    Short for medical care. Most of it is private health care, and yes, it can cost a fortune if you are uninsured.

    if you don't have health care in the state of California it costs 1,000 dollars to go to A+E..Wonder if its like that in every state.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭Cunny-Funt


    The only problem I have with that statement is that it seems to be exclusively the case that when faith/god is involved as an excuse ( We thought we could rely on our faith....) that the maniacs get away with it.

    If a parent said it was their position that the great invisible pink unicorn would help them if they telepathically asked often enough, they'd be locked up. These parents should be locked up.

    Nutters are nutters, but religious nutters seem to have a get out of jail free card in parts of the States.

    VERY good point. Just what I was thinking when I read that no criminal action was going to be taken. Since religion seems to have a lot of "power" in the US. It would be a bit of a taboo to lock them up imo.


    FCKED UP


    BIG TIME.


    This add's to the massive list of reason why I have a problem with religions and people that blindly follow them, and religion having power in a country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    Longfield wrote: »
    Last week when I asked him why he was drinking gallons of milk during the day, he said a friend from the same country as him told him that milk would put extra lead in his pencil as it were.....

    WTF is with these people?

    In fairness, that just sounds like a case of something getting lost in translation. He was probably told "milk gives you good bones" and misunderstood :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    "God disappoints again"

    - Headline in tomorrows Sun


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,713 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    Wow, the anti-God brigade are out in force over this one! One Christian couple's stupidity and suddenly all Christians are to blame. I'm a Christian, so according to this thread I'm now a fanatic and dont believe in medical science. What rubbish. What these people did was terrible, and any Christian will agree I'm sure. Nobody in their right mind would deny life saving treatment to their child. What creationism has to do with this though I'll never know.


    "This kind of thing is sickening, I'm still more píssed off at the video posted in the A&A forum though where kids are being deliberately taught that science is wrong, that dinosaurs lived with adam and eve etc and that the universe is in fact, only a few thousand years old.

    Science isn't a belief, it's fcking fact. I would say the quicker these types learn this, the better, but I'd be much happier to let them believe what they want and let their idiocy and ignorance kill them off (hopefully painfully too)"
    .

    So unless I believe that a massive explosion created life I'm ignorant and deserve a painful death?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,240 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    This is worse than the Crusades.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    keano_afc wrote: »
    So unless I believe that a massive explosion created life I'm ignorant and deserve a painful death?

    +1

    :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,240 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    well i think its more the talking snake, burning bush, parted seas, wine to blood and resurrection that makes me question your intelligence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,035 ✭✭✭GhostInTheRuins


    They really should be charged with murder, because like it or not that's what they did. It's really hard to get my head around just how unbelievably stupid they are.

    keano_afc I don't think anybody said that all christians are idiots, you're blowing things way out of proportion there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,713 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    Sangre wrote: »
    well i think its more the talking snake, burning bush, parted seas, wine to blood and resurrection that makes me question your intelligence.

    An you've obviously got substantial proof that none of the above happened, or you wouldnt make such a silly comment in the first place??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,240 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    prove to me that there isnt an invisible pink unicorn standing beside you

    if you cant then i guess it must be there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,713 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    Right after you prove to me that the Bible is completely wrong and God doesnt exist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,240 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    lol


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,208 ✭✭✭✭aidan_walsh


    Christian and aethist in unending round and round battle of "can't prove jack ****" shocker.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,035 ✭✭✭GhostInTheRuins


    Christian and aethist in unending round and round battle of "can't prove jack ****" shocker.

    Maybe this time we'll get to see who wins :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    Christian and aethist in unending round and round battle of "can't prove jack ****" shocker.

    You'll need to trim that down if you want to make a headline in the Sun. Something like "Heathens v Holies" might be better with a picture of that Dawkins guy facing off with the Pope. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    I don't have any proof an omnipotent higher power doesn't exist - in fact I think its highly likely one does exist.

    I do however have plenty of proof that this omnipotent higher power isn't benevolent or can be ascribed with human attributes such as mercy and compassion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,240 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    If you have two options or two possible answers to a question, and you can't definitely know the correct answer. Why would you choose the option that goes against everything we already do know about the natural world?

    Paul: 'Hmmm, who hid my watch?'

    Paul: 'I know, it must have been a 10ft spiderbaby!'

    Peter: 'Ehhh...I don't think it was a spiderbaby!'

    Paul: 'Ok, prove to me it wasn't a spiderbaby!'

    Peter: 'Ehhh....'

    Paul: 'See.'


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,329 ✭✭✭Gran Hermano


    They no longer have their daughter but they still have their imaginary
    friend jebus. It's all about priorities. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    This is just one of many stories you often hear about across the pond in a country of 300 million people. Tragic indeed, but not all that unusual in a land with so much diversity. For example, there are some religions practiced in the USA where substituting prayer for medical treatment is a part of their belief. One group is fairly large, called the Christian Scientists. Perhaps you may have heard of their widely circulated newspaper? The Christian Science Monitor?

    Universal health care is at issue in the coming presidential election in November. The American Medical Association, with its powerful Washington lobby, is against it, while Obama and Clinton have mumbled something about it, and McCain takes the typical Republican party position that free markets, and not guaranteed health care, should be the course of the nation (i.e., profits over health care). Governator Arnie in California is actually trying to get the state to pay for health care of uninsured children, and seems to be serious about it, although he could never run for president being foreign born.

    You'd enjoy Michael Moore's documentary, "SiCKO".
    And yep, just one more reason not to vote Republican again.

    Speaking of diversities its ironically one of the few freedoms you have left in the United States: freedom of religion and all that jazz.

    And hence we get, Theological Debate. Or an e-Jihad, whichever you think sounds better...
    she was a Jehovah Witness so I'd blame the USofA

    I'd blame Jehova, first.
    Cunny-Funt wrote: »
    VERY good point. Just what I was thinking when I read that no criminal action was going to be taken. Since religion seems to have a lot of "power" in the US. It would be a bit of a taboo to lock them up imo.


    FCKED UP


    BIG TIME.


    This add's to the massive list of reason why I have a problem with religions and people that blindly follow them, and religion having power in a country.

    Like I said it was one of the big flaws but its also central to the Constitution. Its more taboo than ever because everyone is a tad on edge about fundamental terrorism.
    keano_afc wrote: »
    Wow, the anti-God brigade are out in force over this one! One Christian couple's stupidity and suddenly all Christians are to blame. I'm a Christian, so according to this thread I'm now a fanatic and dont believe in medical science. What rubbish. What these people did was terrible, and any Christian will agree I'm sure. Nobody in their right mind would deny life saving treatment to their child. What creationism has to do with this though I'll never know.

    Jesus performed miracles, bla bla bla. No offence to Jesus, but thats the spin they have taken on it.
    "This kind of thing is sickening, I'm still more píssed off at the video posted in the A&A forum though where kids are being deliberately taught that science is wrong, that dinosaurs lived with adam and eve etc and that the universe is in fact, only a few thousand years old.

    Science isn't a belief, it's fcking fact. I would say the quicker these types learn this, the better, but I'd be much happier to let them believe what they want and let their idiocy and ignorance kill them off (hopefully painfully too)"
    .

    So unless I believe that a massive explosion created life I'm ignorant and deserve a painful death?

    Yea pretty much :)

    It never occurs to any of them that God created evolution or science. Or gave Man the ability to perform their own mini-miracles... like... insulin!
    Sangre wrote: »
    prove to me that there isnt an invisible pink unicorn standing beside you

    if you cant then i guess it must be there.

    As long as he keeps his invisible pink poo to himself he can stay there as long as he likes.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Overheal wrote: »
    You'd enjoy Michael Moore's documentary, "SiCKO".
    And yep, just one more reason not to vote Republican again.

    .

    I recommend you watch a Canadian movie doc called Manufacturing Dissent.

    Moore is a joke


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭bitemybanger


    Science has being contradicting the bible for decades, its begining to look like a fairytale story, Id pick a doctors word every time and when all else fails, who are we praying to?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    snyper wrote: »
    I recommend you watch a Canadian movie doc called Manufacturing Dissent.

    Moore is a joke

    moores tools of trade are cherry picking and misdirection. But the documentary provides at least some truth on the state of Americas healthcare system.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,554 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    that there are doctors in hospitals?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Science has being contradicting the bible for decades, its begining to look like a fairytale story, Id pick a doctors word every time and when all else fails, who are we praying to?

    That is it, they are praying to nobody. One can not pray to an omnipotent being because omnipotence is a paradox.
    God (who is ascribed as omnipotent) can not exist.
    Q.E.D.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Overheal wrote: »
    moores tools of trade are cherry picking and misdirection. But the documentary provides at least some truth on the state of Americas healthcare system.


    Some truth is not all the truth.

    "man "A" shots Dad of 14 children in the Back" . . this perhaps is true..

    But the context is that this Dad of 14 raped and killed "Man A's" wife and kids, and he shot him leaving the house
    .

    So you can se how partial facts are useless when out of context.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,727 ✭✭✭✭Sherifu




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I would like to see that proof..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭Cunny-Funt


    keano_afc wrote: »
    What creationism has to do with this though I'll never know.

    Are you a Creationist?


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