Parents pick prayer over doctors; girl dies

Jesus Wept · 28-03-2008 08:30AM #1

ffs

WESTON, Wis. - Police are investigating an 11-year-old girl's death from an undiagnosed, treatable form of diabetes after her parents chose to pray for her rather than take her to a doctor.

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Sherifu · 28-03-2008 08:40AM

As overheal says medicare[I dunno either] is expensive. :pac:

Mossy Monk · 28-03-2008 11:53AM

The-Rigger wrote: »

ffs

WESTON, Wis. - Police are investigating an 11-year-old girl's death from an undiagnosed, treatable form of diabetes after her parents chose to pray for her rather than take her to a doctor.

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They should be locked up. That is neglect.
Their lives are in Gods hands. Is that the same God they prayed to instead of bringing their daughter to a hospital? I would not cry if they received a similar fate to their daughter. Idiots

meathstevie · 28-03-2008 02:34PM

That sort of religious monster raving loony behaviour is nothing the Americans have a copyright on... . Remember your one in the Coombe who was going to substitute a bloodtransfusion she refused on religious grounds with a feed of tomatos and Coke ? Granted she was from Congo but as far as I know that's a long way from the USofA.

And by the way folks, you should know that a gun and a fool is a multifunctional tool :rolleyes:

Overheal · 28-03-2008 09:03PM

Sherifu wrote: »

As overheal says medicare[I dunno either] is expensive. :pac:

Short for medical care. Most of it is private health care, and yes, it can cost a fortune if you are uninsured.

Overheal · 28-03-2008 09:10PM

The-Rigger wrote: »

ffs

WESTON, Wis. - Police are investigating an 11-year-old girl's death from an undiagnosed, treatable form of diabetes after her parents chose to pray for her rather than take her to a doctor.

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Thats a tragedy to be sure.

You see that sometimes, even I do it a bit, where you just have no faith in medicine. Especially in the states. On every commercial break on every channel there is always going to be an advertisement for the latest wonder drug. Cure your aches and pains, your allergies, your insomnia. Depression. Theres a new news report on the latest cure for cancer research or what food is going to kill you tomorrow (last week: a glass of wine a day leads to breast cancer!), Etcetera. Then you have to hear about kids abusing over-the-counter and prescription medication; because corrupt doctors will fill out prescriptions for quick cash.

After a while it breeds contempt. This is just contempt taken to extremes. I really, really hate the way health care is treated in the states. I go home once a year and the amount of medical terms I hear are ridiculous. My family takes pills for just about anything. My mom always keeps advil around, my brother knows the names of all of the great pills that used to get him high back when he was an idiot. Hell I was even given something called Dramamine when I flew back this time: apparently its for air sickness or something. I was even on Prozac once upon a time and, lo and behold, just the other month they were exposed as being complete Placebos.

AlmightyCushion · 28-03-2008 10:49PM

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Bmark · 28-03-2008 10:51PM

That is an absolute disgrace - they should be charged with murder.

Max_Damage · 28-03-2008 10:53PM

Typical American idiots.

They should all do this and let them all kill themselves off. No loss to the world.

Supercell · 28-03-2008 11:04PM

This crap is everywhere.

The guy who sits beside me in work today (who comes from a country far far away) asked me in all seriousness if I'd heard of some fcuking site of Fatima or something in Mayo that would help him get his wife pregnant?!!

Jebus..just stick it bloody in there mate..thats how most people do it ffs (he just married his wife and there is no damn medical reason doing the dirty dance would have the sprogs popping out in 9 months time).

Last week when I asked him why he was drinking gallons of milk during the day, he said a friend from the same country as him told him that milk would put extra lead in his pencil as it were.....

WTF is with these people?, I'm increasing realising I'm of an athiest rather than agnostic persuasion.

I dunno..you want religious experience go eat some schrooms (health warning :boards doesnt condone..do so at own risk etc), it doesnt get more mythical than that imho

bronte · 28-03-2008 11:54PM

Such Idiocy.

uptherebels · 28-03-2008 11:59PM

Max_Damage wrote: »

Typical American idiots.

They should all do this and let them all kill themselves off. No loss to the world.

Dont you mean to say typical religiously fanatical idiots.

Bmark · 29-03-2008 12:03AM

when it comes to kids, the doctors should be able to treat them without having to get a court order etc because its against their parents religious beliefs !!! I would die for my kids and they just let theirs die !!!! Straight to effin hell no ifs or buts.

PoleStar · 29-03-2008 12:13AM

uptherebels wrote: »

Dont you mean to say typical religiously fanatical idiots.

The sad problem is that these parents where far from fanatics, they just did what their blind faith wanted them to do.

The irony here is that it was their faith in god that resulted in the death of their child, something that could have been easily prevented these days with a commonly used drug, conceived and produced by, not God, but us humans, i.e. insulin.

And despite the death of their child they still have "faith".

bleg · 29-03-2008 12:25AM

retards.

Overheal · 29-03-2008 12:30AM

Max_Damage wrote: »

Typical American idiots.

They should all do this and let them all kill themselves off. No loss to the world.

*cough.

uptherebels · 29-03-2008 12:40AM

PoleStar wrote: »

The sad problem is that these parents where far from fanatics, they just did what their blind faith wanted them to do.

The irony here is that it was their faith in god that resulted in the death of their child, something that could have been easily prevented these days with a commonly used drug, conceived and produced by, not God, but us humans, i.e. insulin.

And despite the death of their child they still have "faith".

yes but would following your faith so blindly as to allow your child to die not be considered fanatical?

Rb · 29-03-2008 12:51AM

They should, at the very, very least, be sterilised for this.

This kind of thing is sickening, I'm still more píssed off at the video posted in the A&A forum though where kids are being deliberately taught that science is wrong, that dinosaurs lived with adam and eve etc and that the universe is in fact, only a few thousand years old.

Science isn't a belief, it's fcking fact. I would say the quicker these types learn this, the better, but I'd be much happier to let them believe what they want and let their idiocy and ignorance kill them off (hopefully painfully too).

Dudess · 29-03-2008 02:24AM

Yeah, god is so wonderful. He inflicted diabetes on their kid in the first place (even though they're Jesus freaks) so of course he's gonna make her better if he's prayed to...

Max_Damage wrote: »

Typical American idiots.

uptherebels wrote: »

Dont you mean to say typical religiously fanatical idiots.

Yeah, the constant "Americans are stupid" comments are starting to get rather tedious.

Overheal · 29-03-2008 02:30AM

I'd thank ye but AH wont let me.

Like I said, I think I see where these people get their ideas. I wonder how much Insulin costs? I'd hope not much, but then... - The sooner they bring in Universal Healthcare the better off they'll be.

tbh · 29-03-2008 08:55PM

Once upon a time, a man sat on his porch as a flood warning was beginning. His neigbor was pulling out of the driveway following the evacuation order from the community officials. The neigbor said, "Hey. Jump in. We can ride out together to avoid the flood." The man responded, "I have faith. God will save me from the impending flood."

A little while later, the water covered the street, and an SUV cut it's way through the flood. A stranger rolled down the window and said, "Hey fellow. Jump in, this flood is going to get worse." The man responded, "I have faith. God will save me from the impending flood."

As time passed, the water became high enough that the man had to move inside and look out his second floor window. A boat came by, and the man in the boat yelled out, "Jump in. This flood is going to get worse." The man responded, "I have faith. God will save me from the impending flood."

The man was forced to climb to the roof as the flood entered his second floor. A rescue helicopter whirled overhead and a voice came from a bull-horn yelling, "Grab this rope ladder. we'll save you." The man yelled back, "I have faith. God will save me from the impending flood."

The man drowned.

When he reached the pearly gates, the man said to Saint Peter, "I had faith. Why did God let me drown?" Saint Pete responded, "We sent you a car, an SUV, and boat and a helicopter. What else were we supposed to do?"

AckwelFoley · 29-03-2008 08:57PM

.. but i thought "Jesus saves"

Somone Lied.

Dudess · 29-03-2008 09:03PM

tbh wrote: »

Once upon a time, a man sat on his porch as a flood warning was beginning. His neigbor was pulling out of the driveway following the evacuation order from the community officials. The neigbor said, "Hey. Jump in. We can ride out together to avoid the flood." The man responded, "I have faith. God will save me from the impending flood."

A little while later, the water covered the street, and an SUV cut it's way through the flood. A stranger rolled down the window and said, "Hey fellow. Jump in, this flood is going to get worse." The man responded, "I have faith. God will save me from the impending flood."

As time passed, the water became high enough that the man had to move inside and look out his second floor window. A boat came by, and the man in the boat yelled out, "Jump in. This flood is going to get worse." The man responded, "I have faith. God will save me from the impending flood."

The man was forced to climb to the roof as the flood entered his second floor. A rescue helicopter whirled overhead and a voice came from a bull-horn yelling, "Grab this rope ladder. we'll save you." The man yelled back, "I have faith. God will save me from the impending flood."

The man drowned.

When he reached the pearly gates, the man said to Saint Peter, "I had faith. Why did God let me drown?" Saint Pete responded, "We sent you a car, an SUV, and boat and a helicopter. What else were we supposed to do?"

What's your point, god boy?

But yeah, in this instance, one might argue god offered the option of doctors and medicine. Although an agnostic like I would ask "why did he inflict diabetes on her in the first place?" or in the case of tbh's story, "why would god create floods?"

tbh · 29-03-2008 09:07PM

well by my logic, God neither afflicted the girl with diabetes, nor did he invent insulin, but I can't understand the parents logic at all. If you believe in one part of the equation (affliction), then you kind of have to believe in the second. If you believe that God controls everything, then you can use everything, surely.

But of course, fundamentalist heads of every persuasion prove that logic and religion are mutually exclusive. I wonder would either of the parents have said "I trust in God's ability to heal me so much that I'm prepared to cut off my arm, safe in the knowledge that God will make it grow back".

Poor girl, it would have been a horrible death.

29-03-2008 09:13PM

This is just one of many stories you often hear about across the pond in a country of 300 million people. Tragic indeed, but not all that unusual in a land with so much diversity. For example, there are some religions practiced in the USA where substituting prayer for medical treatment is a part of their belief. One group is fairly large, called the Christian Scientists. Perhaps you may have heard of their widely circulated newspaper? The Christian Science Monitor?

Universal health care is at issue in the coming presidential election in November. The American Medical Association, with its powerful Washington lobby, is against it, while Obama and Clinton have mumbled something about it, and McCain takes the typical Republican party position that free markets, and not guaranteed health care, should be the course of the nation (i.e., profits over health care). Governator Arnie in California is actually trying to get the state to pay for health care of uninsured children, and seems to be serious about it, although he could never run for president being foreign born.

Steve.Pseudonym · 29-03-2008 09:23PM

Crazy people are crazy whatever their religion, and if they didn't have religion they'd find some other excuse to be nuts.

Capt'n Midnight · 30-03-2008 09:27PM

Mossy Monk wrote: »

They should be locked up. That is neglect.
Their lives are in Gods hands.

so they should have no problem in being locked up, because that could only happen if God allowed it.

Capt'n Midnight · 30-03-2008 09:29PM

meathstevie wrote: »

Temember your one in the Coombe who was going to substitute a bloodtransfusion she refused on religious grounds with a feed of tomatos and Coke ? Granted she was from Congo but as far as I know that's a long way from the USofA.

she was a Jehovah Witness so I'd blame the USofA

Sqaull20 · 30-03-2008 09:36PM

Thing is, if the parents were as sick as their little girl would they go to the doctor?

100% they would!

allabouteve · 30-03-2008 09:36PM

Steve.Pseudonym wrote: »

Crazy people are crazy whatever their religion, and if they didn't have religion they'd find some other excuse to be nuts.

The only problem I have with that statement is that it seems to be exclusively the case that when faith/god is involved as an excuse ( We thought we could rely on our faith....) that the maniacs get away with it.

If a parent said it was their position that the great invisible pink unicorn would help them if they telepathically asked often enough, they'd be locked up. These parents should be locked up.

Nutters are nutters, but religious nutters seem to have a get out of jail free card in parts of the States.

tbh · 30-03-2008 09:45PM

Sqaull20 wrote: »

Thing is, if the parents were as sick as their little girl would they go to the doctor?

100% they would!

fundamentalists are famous for fighting to the last drop of someone else's blood

Parents pick prayer over doctors; girl dies

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