Parents pick prayer over doctors; girl dies

Jesus Wept

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WESTON, Wis. - Police are investigating an 11-year-old girl's death from an undiagnosed, treatable form of diabetes after her parents chose to pray for her rather than take her to a doctor.

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Sherifu

As overheal says medicare[I dunno either] is expensive. :pac:

Mossy Monk

The-Rigger wrote: »

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WESTON, Wis. - Police are investigating an 11-year-old girl's death from an undiagnosed, treatable form of diabetes after her parents chose to pray for her rather than take her to a doctor.

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They should be locked up. That is neglect.
Their lives are in Gods hands. Is that the same God they prayed to instead of bringing their daughter to a hospital? I would not cry if they received a similar fate to their daughter. Idiots

meathstevie

That sort of religious monster raving loony behaviour is nothing the Americans have a copyright on... . Remember your one in the Coombe who was going to substitute a bloodtransfusion she refused on religious grounds with a feed of tomatos and Coke ? Granted she was from Congo but as far as I know that's a long way from the USofA.

And by the way folks, you should know that a gun and a fool is a multifunctional tool :rolleyes:

Overheal

Sherifu wrote: »

As overheal says medicare[I dunno either] is expensive. :pac:

Short for medical care. Most of it is private health care, and yes, it can cost a fortune if you are uninsured.

Overheal

The-Rigger wrote: »

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WESTON, Wis. - Police are investigating an 11-year-old girl's death from an undiagnosed, treatable form of diabetes after her parents chose to pray for her rather than take her to a doctor.

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Thats a tragedy to be sure.

You see that sometimes, even I do it a bit, where you just have no faith in medicine. Especially in the states. On every commercial break on every channel there is always going to be an advertisement for the latest wonder drug. Cure your aches and pains, your allergies, your insomnia. Depression. Theres a new news report on the latest cure for cancer research or what food is going to kill you tomorrow (last week: a glass of wine a day leads to breast cancer!), Etcetera. Then you have to hear about kids abusing over-the-counter and prescription medication; because corrupt doctors will fill out prescriptions for quick cash.

After a while it breeds contempt. This is just contempt taken to extremes. I really, really hate the way health care is treated in the states. I go home once a year and the amount of medical terms I hear are ridiculous. My family takes pills for just about anything. My mom always keeps advil around, my brother knows the names of all of the great pills that used to get him high back when he was an idiot. Hell I was even given something called Dramamine when I flew back this time: apparently its for air sickness or something. I was even on Prozac once upon a time and, lo and behold, just the other month they were exposed as being complete Placebos.

AlmightyCushion

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Bmark

That is an absolute disgrace - they should be charged with murder.

Max_Damage

Typical American idiots.

They should all do this and let them all kill themselves off. No loss to the world.

Supercell

This crap is everywhere.

The guy who sits beside me in work today (who comes from a country far far away) asked me in all seriousness if I'd heard of some fcuking site of Fatima or something in Mayo that would help him get his wife pregnant?!!

Jebus..just stick it bloody in there mate..thats how most people do it ffs (he just married his wife and there is no damn medical reason doing the dirty dance would have the sprogs popping out in 9 months time).

Last week when I asked him why he was drinking gallons of milk during the day, he said a friend from the same country as him told him that milk would put extra lead in his pencil as it were.....

WTF is with these people?, I'm increasing realising I'm of an athiest rather than agnostic persuasion.

I dunno..you want religious experience go eat some schrooms (health warning :boards doesnt condone..do so at own risk etc), it doesnt get more mythical than that imho

bronte

Such Idiocy.

uptherebels

Max_Damage wrote: »

Typical American idiots.

They should all do this and let them all kill themselves off. No loss to the world.

Dont you mean to say typical religiously fanatical idiots.

Bmark

when it comes to kids, the doctors should be able to treat them without having to get a court order etc because its against their parents religious beliefs !!! I would die for my kids and they just let theirs die !!!! Straight to effin hell no ifs or buts.

PoleStar

uptherebels wrote: »

Dont you mean to say typical religiously fanatical idiots.

The sad problem is that these parents where far from fanatics, they just did what their blind faith wanted them to do.

The irony here is that it was their faith in god that resulted in the death of their child, something that could have been easily prevented these days with a commonly used drug, conceived and produced by, not God, but us humans, i.e. insulin.

And despite the death of their child they still have "faith".

bleg

retards.

Overheal

Max_Damage wrote: »

Typical American idiots.

They should all do this and let them all kill themselves off. No loss to the world.

*cough.

uptherebels

PoleStar wrote: »

The sad problem is that these parents where far from fanatics, they just did what their blind faith wanted them to do.

The irony here is that it was their faith in god that resulted in the death of their child, something that could have been easily prevented these days with a commonly used drug, conceived and produced by, not God, but us humans, i.e. insulin.

And despite the death of their child they still have "faith".

yes but would following your faith so blindly as to allow your child to die not be considered fanatical?

Rb

They should, at the very, very least, be sterilised for this.

This kind of thing is sickening, I'm still more píssed off at the video posted in the A&A forum though where kids are being deliberately taught that science is wrong, that dinosaurs lived with adam and eve etc and that the universe is in fact, only a few thousand years old.

Science isn't a belief, it's fcking fact. I would say the quicker these types learn this, the better, but I'd be much happier to let them believe what they want and let their idiocy and ignorance kill them off (hopefully painfully too).

Dudess

Yeah, god is so wonderful. He inflicted diabetes on their kid in the first place (even though they're Jesus freaks) so of course he's gonna make her better if he's prayed to...

Max_Damage wrote: »

Typical American idiots.

uptherebels wrote: »

Dont you mean to say typical religiously fanatical idiots.

Yeah, the constant "Americans are stupid" comments are starting to get rather tedious.

Overheal

I'd thank ye but AH wont let me.

Like I said, I think I see where these people get their ideas. I wonder how much Insulin costs? I'd hope not much, but then... - The sooner they bring in Universal Healthcare the better off they'll be.

tbh

Once upon a time, a man sat on his porch as a flood warning was beginning. His neigbor was pulling out of the driveway following the evacuation order from the community officials. The neigbor said, "Hey. Jump in. We can ride out together to avoid the flood." The man responded, "I have faith. God will save me from the impending flood."

A little while later, the water covered the street, and an SUV cut it's way through the flood. A stranger rolled down the window and said, "Hey fellow. Jump in, this flood is going to get worse." The man responded, "I have faith. God will save me from the impending flood."

As time passed, the water became high enough that the man had to move inside and look out his second floor window. A boat came by, and the man in the boat yelled out, "Jump in. This flood is going to get worse." The man responded, "I have faith. God will save me from the impending flood."

The man was forced to climb to the roof as the flood entered his second floor. A rescue helicopter whirled overhead and a voice came from a bull-horn yelling, "Grab this rope ladder. we'll save you." The man yelled back, "I have faith. God will save me from the impending flood."

The man drowned.

When he reached the pearly gates, the man said to Saint Peter, "I had faith. Why did God let me drown?" Saint Pete responded, "We sent you a car, an SUV, and boat and a helicopter. What else were we supposed to do?"

AckwelFoley

.. but i thought "Jesus saves"

Somone Lied.

Dudess

tbh wrote: »

Once upon a time, a man sat on his porch as a flood warning was beginning. His neigbor was pulling out of the driveway following the evacuation order from the community officials. The neigbor said, "Hey. Jump in. We can ride out together to avoid the flood." The man responded, "I have faith. God will save me from the impending flood."

A little while later, the water covered the street, and an SUV cut it's way through the flood. A stranger rolled down the window and said, "Hey fellow. Jump in, this flood is going to get worse." The man responded, "I have faith. God will save me from the impending flood."

As time passed, the water became high enough that the man had to move inside and look out his second floor window. A boat came by, and the man in the boat yelled out, "Jump in. This flood is going to get worse." The man responded, "I have faith. God will save me from the impending flood."

The man was forced to climb to the roof as the flood entered his second floor. A rescue helicopter whirled overhead and a voice came from a bull-horn yelling, "Grab this rope ladder. we'll save you." The man yelled back, "I have faith. God will save me from the impending flood."

The man drowned.

When he reached the pearly gates, the man said to Saint Peter, "I had faith. Why did God let me drown?" Saint Pete responded, "We sent you a car, an SUV, and boat and a helicopter. What else were we supposed to do?"

What's your point, god boy?

But yeah, in this instance, one might argue god offered the option of doctors and medicine. Although an agnostic like I would ask "why did he inflict diabetes on her in the first place?" or in the case of tbh's story, "why would god create floods?"

tbh

well by my logic, God neither afflicted the girl with diabetes, nor did he invent insulin, but I can't understand the parents logic at all. If you believe in one part of the equation (affliction), then you kind of have to believe in the second. If you believe that God controls everything, then you can use everything, surely.

But of course, fundamentalist heads of every persuasion prove that logic and religion are mutually exclusive. I wonder would either of the parents have said "I trust in God's ability to heal me so much that I'm prepared to cut off my arm, safe in the knowledge that God will make it grow back".

Poor girl, it would have been a horrible death.

Black Swan

This is just one of many stories you often hear about across the pond in a country of 300 million people. Tragic indeed, but not all that unusual in a land with so much diversity. For example, there are some religions practiced in the USA where substituting prayer for medical treatment is a part of their belief. One group is fairly large, called the Christian Scientists. Perhaps you may have heard of their widely circulated newspaper? The Christian Science Monitor?

Universal health care is at issue in the coming presidential election in November. The American Medical Association, with its powerful Washington lobby, is against it, while Obama and Clinton have mumbled something about it, and McCain takes the typical Republican party position that free markets, and not guaranteed health care, should be the course of the nation (i.e., profits over health care). Governator Arnie in California is actually trying to get the state to pay for health care of uninsured children, and seems to be serious about it, although he could never run for president being foreign born.

Steve.Pseudonym

Crazy people are crazy whatever their religion, and if they didn't have religion they'd find some other excuse to be nuts.

Capt'n Midnight

Mossy Monk wrote: »

They should be locked up. That is neglect.
Their lives are in Gods hands.

so they should have no problem in being locked up, because that could only happen if God allowed it.

Capt'n Midnight

meathstevie wrote: »

Temember your one in the Coombe who was going to substitute a bloodtransfusion she refused on religious grounds with a feed of tomatos and Coke ? Granted she was from Congo but as far as I know that's a long way from the USofA.

she was a Jehovah Witness so I'd blame the USofA

Sqaull20

Thing is, if the parents were as sick as their little girl would they go to the doctor?

100% they would!

allabouteve

Steve.Pseudonym wrote: »

Crazy people are crazy whatever their religion, and if they didn't have religion they'd find some other excuse to be nuts.

The only problem I have with that statement is that it seems to be exclusively the case that when faith/god is involved as an excuse ( We thought we could rely on our faith....) that the maniacs get away with it.

If a parent said it was their position that the great invisible pink unicorn would help them if they telepathically asked often enough, they'd be locked up. These parents should be locked up.

Nutters are nutters, but religious nutters seem to have a get out of jail free card in parts of the States.

tbh

Sqaull20 wrote: »

Thing is, if the parents were as sick as their little girl would they go to the doctor?

100% they would!

fundamentalists are famous for fighting to the last drop of someone else's blood

danger mouse

Overheal wrote: »

Short for medical care. Most of it is private health care, and yes, it can cost a fortune if you are uninsured.

if you don't have health care in the state of California it costs 1,000 dollars to go to A+E..Wonder if its like that in every state.

Cunny-Funt

allabouteve wrote: »

The only problem I have with that statement is that it seems to be exclusively the case that when faith/god is involved as an excuse ( We thought we could rely on our faith....) that the maniacs get away with it.

If a parent said it was their position that the great invisible pink unicorn would help them if they telepathically asked often enough, they'd be locked up. These parents should be locked up.

Nutters are nutters, but religious nutters seem to have a get out of jail free card in parts of the States.

VERY good point. Just what I was thinking when I read that no criminal action was going to be taken. Since religion seems to have a lot of "power" in the US. It would be a bit of a taboo to lock them up imo.


FCKED UP


BIG TIME.


This add's to the massive list of reason why I have a problem with religions and people that blindly follow them, and religion having power in a country.

javaboy

Longfield wrote: »

Last week when I asked him why he was drinking gallons of milk during the day, he said a friend from the same country as him told him that milk would put extra lead in his pencil as it were.....

WTF is with these people?

In fairness, that just sounds like a case of something getting lost in translation. He was probably told "milk gives you good bones" and misunderstood

MrJoeSoap

"God disappoints again"

- Headline in tomorrows Sun

keano_afc

Wow, the anti-God brigade are out in force over this one! One Christian couple's stupidity and suddenly all Christians are to blame. I'm a Christian, so according to this thread I'm now a fanatic and dont believe in medical science. What rubbish. What these people did was terrible, and any Christian will agree I'm sure. Nobody in their right mind would deny life saving treatment to their child. What creationism has to do with this though I'll never know.


"This kind of thing is sickening, I'm still more píssed off at the video posted in the A&A forum though where kids are being deliberately taught that science is wrong, that dinosaurs lived with adam and eve etc and that the universe is in fact, only a few thousand years old.

Science isn't a belief, it's fcking fact. I would say the quicker these types learn this, the better, but I'd be much happier to let them believe what they want and let their idiocy and ignorance kill them off (hopefully painfully too)".

So unless I believe that a massive explosion created life I'm ignorant and deserve a painful death?

Sangre

This is worse than the Crusades.

MrJoeSoap

keano_afc wrote: »

So unless I believe that a massive explosion created life I'm ignorant and deserve a painful death?

+1

:pac:

Sangre

well i think its more the talking snake, burning bush, parted seas, wine to blood and resurrection that makes me question your intelligence.

GhostInTheRuins

They really should be charged with murder, because like it or not that's what they did. It's really hard to get my head around just how unbelievably stupid they are.

keano_afc I don't think anybody said that all christians are idiots, you're blowing things way out of proportion there.

keano_afc

Sangre wrote: »

well i think its more the talking snake, burning bush, parted seas, wine to blood and resurrection that makes me question your intelligence.

An you've obviously got substantial proof that none of the above happened, or you wouldnt make such a silly comment in the first place??

Sangre

prove to me that there isnt an invisible pink unicorn standing beside you

if you cant then i guess it must be there.

keano_afc

Right after you prove to me that the Bible is completely wrong and God doesnt exist.

Sangre

lol

aidan_walsh

Christian and aethist in unending round and round battle of "can't prove jack ****" shocker.

GhostInTheRuins

aidan_walsh wrote: »

Christian and aethist in unending round and round battle of "can't prove jack ****" shocker.

Maybe this time we'll get to see who wins :eek:

javaboy

aidan_walsh wrote: »

Christian and aethist in unending round and round battle of "can't prove jack ****" shocker.

You'll need to trim that down if you want to make a headline in the Sun. Something like "Heathens v Holies" might be better with a picture of that Dawkins guy facing off with the Pope.

Dudess

I don't have any proof an omnipotent higher power doesn't exist - in fact I think its highly likely one does exist.

I do however have plenty of proof that this omnipotent higher power isn't benevolent or can be ascribed with human attributes such as mercy and compassion.

Sangre

If you have two options or two possible answers to a question, and you can't definitely know the correct answer. Why would you choose the option that goes against everything we already do know about the natural world?

Paul: 'Hmmm, who hid my watch?'

Paul: 'I know, it must have been a 10ft spiderbaby!'

Peter: 'Ehhh...I don't think it was a spiderbaby!'

Paul: 'Ok, prove to me it wasn't a spiderbaby!'

Peter: 'Ehhh....'

Paul: 'See.'

Gran Hermano

They no longer have their daughter but they still have their imaginary
friend jebus. It's all about priorities.

Overheal

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

This is just one of many stories you often hear about across the pond in a country of 300 million people. Tragic indeed, but not all that unusual in a land with so much diversity. For example, there are some religions practiced in the USA where substituting prayer for medical treatment is a part of their belief. One group is fairly large, called the Christian Scientists. Perhaps you may have heard of their widely circulated newspaper? The Christian Science Monitor?

Universal health care is at issue in the coming presidential election in November. The American Medical Association, with its powerful Washington lobby, is against it, while Obama and Clinton have mumbled something about it, and McCain takes the typical Republican party position that free markets, and not guaranteed health care, should be the course of the nation (i.e., profits over health care). Governator Arnie in California is actually trying to get the state to pay for health care of uninsured children, and seems to be serious about it, although he could never run for president being foreign born.

You'd enjoy Michael Moore's documentary, "SiCKO".
And yep, just one more reason not to vote Republican again.

Speaking of diversities its ironically one of the few freedoms you have left in the United States: freedom of religion and all that jazz.

And hence we get, Theological Debate. Or an e-Jihad, whichever you think sounds better...

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

she was a Jehovah Witness so I'd blame the USofA

I'd blame Jehova, first.

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

VERY good point. Just what I was thinking when I read that no criminal action was going to be taken. Since religion seems to have a lot of "power" in the US. It would be a bit of a taboo to lock them up imo.


FCKED UP


BIG TIME.


This add's to the massive list of reason why I have a problem with religions and people that blindly follow them, and religion having power in a country.

Like I said it was one of the big flaws but its also central to the Constitution. Its more taboo than ever because everyone is a tad on edge about fundamental terrorism.

keano_afc wrote: »

Wow, the anti-God brigade are out in force over this one! One Christian couple's stupidity and suddenly all Christians are to blame. I'm a Christian, so according to this thread I'm now a fanatic and dont believe in medical science. What rubbish. What these people did was terrible, and any Christian will agree I'm sure. Nobody in their right mind would deny life saving treatment to their child. What creationism has to do with this though I'll never know.

Jesus performed miracles, bla bla bla. No offence to Jesus, but thats the spin they have taken on it.

"This kind of thing is sickening, I'm still more píssed off at the video posted in the A&A forum though where kids are being deliberately taught that science is wrong, that dinosaurs lived with adam and eve etc and that the universe is in fact, only a few thousand years old.

Science isn't a belief, it's fcking fact. I would say the quicker these types learn this, the better, but I'd be much happier to let them believe what they want and let their idiocy and ignorance kill them off (hopefully painfully too)".

So unless I believe that a massive explosion created life I'm ignorant and deserve a painful death?

Yea pretty much

It never occurs to any of them that God created evolution or science. Or gave Man the ability to perform their own mini-miracles... like... insulin!

Sangre wrote: »

prove to me that there isnt an invisible pink unicorn standing beside you

if you cant then i guess it must be there.

As long as he keeps his invisible pink poo to himself he can stay there as long as he likes.