Teachers and their pay raises

briantwin · 27-03-2008 08:41PM #1

Just wondering if anyone else think its a bit sh*tty the way teachers ever now and again just decide to strike because they want more money?
I mean you start on 32k a year before you even take into account overtime and supervisional stuff and exam marking etc etc.

OK i'll be the first to say that trying to teach a bunch pubescent arsebags is not the easiest way to earn money but by jesus its not the hardest. It just annoys me to think that the country and its young pupils are held to ransom every time teachers go on strike to demand more money.

How does everyone else feel about this?

Toto Wolfcastle · 27-03-2008 08:43PM

briantwin wrote: »

Just wondering if anyone else think its a bit sh*tty the way teachers ever now and again just decide to strike because they want more money?
I mean you start on 32k a year before you even take into account overtime and supervisional stuff and exam marking etc etc.

OK i'll be the first to say that trying to teach a bunch pubescent arsebags is not the easiest way to earn money but by jesus its not the hardest. It just annoys me to think that the country and its young pupils are held to ransom every time teachers go on strike to demand more money.

How does everyone else feel about this?

Student teacher here and they can give me more money if they want but there's no way I'll be freezing my ass off walking in circles outside school.

Although kids love when the teachers go on strike, they get a few days off!

shane86 · 27-03-2008 08:47PM

janeybabe wrote: »

Although kids love when the teachers go on strike, they get a few days off!

Anyone remember the strikes about 7 years ago? We and many other schools had an "anti strike" strike, basically a refusal to go back to class in, eh, protest at, heh, heh heh, hahaha, the damage they were doing to our education.

Actually, think less dignified protest, more violent lawless insurrection, it was a fookin riot! Great times.

That winter was fcuking freezing too, so the lie ins we had twice a week at one stage were welcome.

Do they still have those breaktime supervisors (or scabs as the teachers called them

) in schoolyards? I cant remember if they were ever got rid of tbh, think they were. They were alot like Gardai, in that if they saw a fight break out they wouldnt bother their hole intervening, place went to hell the first few days. Still, the teachers would never say one word to the scabs, despised them.

Anyway, teachers are paid filthy money for the work they do.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 27-03-2008 08:49PM

briantwin wrote: »

Just wondering if anyone else think its a bit sh*tty the way teachers ever now and again just decide to strike because they want more money?
I mean you start on 32k a year before you even take into account overtime and supervisional stuff and exam marking etc etc.

OK i'll be the first to say that trying to teach a bunch pubescent arsebags is not the easiest way to earn money but by jesus its not the hardest. It just annoys me to think that the country and its young pupils are held to ransom every time teachers go on strike to demand more money.

How does everyone else feel about this?

Bollocks. This is Ireland. We don't care about the stinking fvcking little children, all we care about is money. Hot stinking badass money.

St Bill · 27-03-2008 08:51PM

All I can say is it's good to see the government backed media reporting what they're told to report. Keep up the great work lads

Toto Wolfcastle · 27-03-2008 08:56PM

shane86 wrote: »

Anyone remember the strikes about 7 years ago? We and many other schools had an "anti strike" strike, basically a refusal to go back to class in, eh, protest at, heh, heh heh, hahaha, the damage they were doing to our education.

Actually, think less dignified protest, more violent lawless insurrection, it was a fookin riot! Great times.

That winter was fcuking freezing too, so the lie ins we had twice a week at one stage were welcome.

Do they still have those breaktime supervisors (or scabs as the teachers called them ) in schoolyards? I cant remember if they were ever got rid of tbh, think they were. They were alot like Gardai, in that if they saw a fight break out they wouldnt bother their hole intervening, place went to hell the first few days. Still, the teachers would never say one word to the scabs, despised them.

Anyway, teachers are paid filthy money for the work they do.

I think I was in TY when that happened and we were all so annoyed that we weren't in a year with homework! Feel like we missed out. We tried the whole not going into our classrooms after break thing as well but it didn't really work.

As I said before, give me as much money as you want, but I wont be freezing my ass off for it. I remember mocking the freezing teachers last time, don't want that to be me.

rubadub · 27-03-2008 09:00PM

briantwin wrote: »

I mean you start on 32k a year

Does anybody know how much this is per hour? Just so I can compare it so a "normal", 9-5 job with 4 weeks holidays, and 45min lunch break in total.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 27-03-2008 09:04PM

rubadub wrote: »

Does anybody know how much this is per hour? Just so I can compare it so a "normal", 9-5 job with 4 weeks holidays, and 45min lunch break in total.

Don;t forget to take into account corrections, class preperations, extra hours at exam time... unless you're thick enough to believe teachers log off at 3 and that's it...

briantwin · 27-03-2008 09:09PM

rubadub wrote: »

Does anybody know how much this is per hour? Just so I can compare it so a "normal", 9-5 job with 4 weeks holidays, and 45min lunch break in total.

Well if you work it out as starting in class 9.30 - 4.30 with an hour for lunch and breaks etc. thats 7 hours a day. Thats 35 hours a week multiplied by 40 (weeks) because they generally get a 2 months off in the summer and then mid terms and stuff. Turns out to be 23 euro an hour roughly. But as i said thats without taking into account supervision which they get paid 50 euro an hour for etc.

Could a teacher illuminate us on this topic as my figures are merely an estimation at best. Other work may come into, well class preparation etc. I know some teachers who have been pretty much doing the same classes and syllabus for the last 5 years all the preparation and stuff is pretty much done.

Overheal · 27-03-2008 09:10PM

i was in 1st year at the time. great laugh.

theyre loaded and they know it. just look at their cars.

SoupyNorman · 27-03-2008 09:15PM

Teachers
Garda
Nurses

Public Sector will always have the power to hold the country to ransom, I neither support
or frown upon action being taken by Public sector folk.
To me you will nearly always work with a cap on what you can earn. I personally dont want to ever have someone say this is all you are likely to earn for the rest of you life.
Even if I never made more, at least Ive always had the opportunity working in the Private sector.

So let them eat cake...

chopperbyrne · 27-03-2008 09:15PM

In fairness, very few secondary school teachers are permanent, so those nice long holidays are unpaid.

themadchef · 27-03-2008 09:17PM

Overheal wrote: »

theyre loaded and they know it. just look at their cars.

As the country saying goes "More power to their pric*s!"

No way in hell i could do thier job. Not for any money.

leninbenjamin · 27-03-2008 09:19PM

good teachers earn every cent. unfortunately there's more than a few bad teachers out there who take the piss basically. everyone knows the bad teachers, and it's not necessarily linked to the grades at the end of the day either (thank you very much grinds culture). there needs to be some form of performance based pay, and although deciding on a fair way of doing this is difficult, I'm sure it can be done. until the unions support implementing performance based pay though, i'll never ever support them on strike.

super_furry · 27-03-2008 09:21PM

Seriously, I don't know what reports you people are reading, but this proposed strike isn't about a pay rise, it's about class size and the government's failure to honour it's many, many promises.

Still, you know, if the government say it's all those greedy teachers, then you better believe them. They never lie.

togster · 27-03-2008 09:27PM

I also think teachers should be graded on performance (don't know should LC results be an indicator though). However i know alot of teachers who do lots more outside of the 9-4 everyday. Someone worked out that they get 23 euro an hour. And? I think they deserve it and more to put up with some of the pr!cks they teach. I know some tradesmen who never went to college who were on 30 euro an hour during the boom so just because teachers are public sector employees does it warrent they get paid less than some tradesman or anyone else for that matter?

togster · 27-03-2008 09:29PM

briantwin wrote: »

Just wondering if anyone else think its a bit sh*tty the way teachers ever now and again just decide to strike because they want more money?
I mean you start on 32k a year before you even take into account overtime and supervisional stuff and exam marking etc etc.

OK i'll be the first to say that trying to teach a bunch pubescent arsebags is not the easiest way to earn money but by jesus its not the hardest. It just annoys me to think that the country and its young pupils are held to ransom every time teachers go on strike to demand more money.

How does everyone else feel about this?

Have you a link for this pay rise or the main issues involves in this strike?

Schism · 27-03-2008 09:29PM

Thinking back on how I was in school I'd say they deserve a bit of a raise for the hardship they get from kids.

I went to a nice quiet school too, I'd say there was and is a lot worse about the country.

Mossy Monk · 27-03-2008 09:47PM

Overheal wrote: »

theyre loaded and they know it. just look at their cars.

If this is an indicator then the teachers in my school were earning **** money

stepbar · 27-03-2008 09:50PM

When was the last time you heard about a teacher being sacked for being crap?

Toto Wolfcastle · 27-03-2008 09:52PM

briantwin wrote: »

Well if you work it out as starting in class 9.30 - 4.30 with an hour for lunch and breaks etc. thats 7 hours a day. Thats 35 hours a week multiplied by 40 (weeks) because they generally get a 2 months off in the summer and then mid terms and stuff. Turns out to be 23 euro an hour roughly. But as i said thats without taking into account supervision which they get paid 50 euro an hour for etc.

Could a teacher illuminate us on this topic as my figures are merely an estimation at best. Other work may come into, well class preparation etc. I know some teachers who have been pretty much doing the same classes and syllabus for the last 5 years all the preparation and stuff is pretty much done.

Are you sure the supervision pay is 50 euro/hour? Is it not 38? (Still good!)

Toto Wolfcastle · 27-03-2008 09:55PM

stepbar wrote: »

When was the last time you heard about a teacher being sacked for being crap?

This is a huge problem. I know of a few teachers in my school who are pretty awful at the job but have been there for so long that it's like they're stuck and cant be removed. I've observed classes where the teacher screams at students for doing something wrong when the teacher has not explained it properly.

There needs to be a proper system for weeding out the bad ones.

gcgirl · 27-03-2008 09:57PM

I think the teachers are intitled to more money!! I have a 7 year old and they the teachers have 25 of them to keep entertained in class ! My little horror has been off for nearly 2 weeks now and i'd say there would be quite a lot of mums and dads out there crying out for next monday to come!!

Loomis · 27-03-2008 09:58PM

briantwin wrote: »

Just wondering if anyone else think its a bit sh*tty the way teachers ever now and again just decide to strike because they want more money?
I mean you start on 32k a year before you even take into account overtime and supervisional stuff and exam marking etc etc.

OK i'll be the first to say that trying to teach a bunch pubescent arsebags is not the easiest way to earn money but by jesus its not the hardest. It just annoys me to think that the country and its young pupils are held to ransom every time teachers go on strike to demand more money.

How does everyone else feel about this?

Or commuters when train drivers go on strike, or airport staff...
:rolleyes:

Rob_l · 27-03-2008 09:59PM

janeybabe wrote: »

There needs to be a proper system for weeding out the bad ones.

I think everyone accepts this, but how?

Student reports? Terrible Idea vindictive students would make this idea unworkable
Other teacher reports? Very similiar problems as above
Judging on student grades? So who would want to teach the students who do not progress well in standard education

some form of testing? but how do you test for a bad teacher?

As a new young teacher how do you think they could do it?

Rob_l · 27-03-2008 10:02PM

gcgirl wrote: »

I think the teachers are intitled to more money!!

Perhaps I agree but how to pay, young childless people would not be happy with a big increase in tax money going here rather than elsewhere so how can the state do this without problems

Toto Wolfcastle · 27-03-2008 10:07PM

Rob_l wrote: »

I think everyone accepts this, but how?

Student reports? Terrible Idea vindictive students would make this idea unworkable
Other teacher reports? Very similiar problems as above
Judging on student grades? So who would want to teach the students who do not progress well in standard education

some form of testing? but how do you test for a bad teacher?

As a new young teacher how do you think they could do it?

It's a hard one. Random inspection is another idea but this would be very hard to implement with lack of resources, etc, and would probably only weed out a few.

Perhaps a system where certain teachers are given the job of 'supervising' groups of other teachers in the school, sitting in on classes every once in awhile, evaluating etc. You'd have to be careful with this one though and make sure the supervisors could give an honest opinion.

Rob_l · 27-03-2008 10:11PM

janeybabe wrote: »

It's a hard one. Random inspection is another idea but this would be very hard to implement with lack of resources, etc, and would probably only weed out a few.

Perhaps a system where certain teachers are given the job of 'supervising' groups of other teachers in the school, sitting in on classes every once in awhile, evaluating etc. You'd have to be careful with this one though and make sure the supervisors could give an honest opinion.

I dont think random inspection can work it may be a surprise but it is still known by the teacher they are being observed so they can for that day act as they should.

Independent assessors would they get the backing of the ASTI I doubt it, they would surely see this as bad for their members.

I checked all my spelling teacher:D

Toto Wolfcastle · 27-03-2008 10:15PM

Rob_l wrote: »

I dont think random inspection can work it may be a surprise but it is still known by the teacher they are being observed so they can for that day act as they should.

Independent assessors would they get the backing of the ASTI I doubt it, they would surely see this as bad for their members.

I checked all my spelling teacher:D

Ya, honestly I don't know how it could be done but it needs to be done.

Now translate your last post into perfect Irish for me and you'll have gained my respect forever. *

*Forever may not last forever!

Rob_l · 27-03-2008 10:17PM

janeybabe wrote: »

Ya, honestly I don't know how it could be done but it needs to be done.

Now translate your last post into perfect Irish for me and you'll have gained my respect forever. *

*Forever may not last forever!

Damn you!
You knew my one weakspot

JæKæ · 27-03-2008 10:22PM

It must be one of the only occupations where you automatically get a raise every few years, regardless of performance

Teachers and their pay raises

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