briantwin wrote: » Just wondering if anyone else think its a bit sh*tty the way teachers ever now and again just decide to strike because they want more money? I mean you start on 32k a year before you even take into account overtime and supervisional stuff and exam marking etc etc. OK i'll be the first to say that trying to teach a bunch pubescent arsebags is not the easiest way to earn money but by jesus its not the hardest. It just annoys me to think that the country and its young pupils are held to ransom every time teachers go on strike to demand more money. How does everyone else feel about this?
janeybabe wrote: » Although kids love when the teachers go on strike, they get a few days off!
shane86 wrote: » Anyone remember the strikes about 7 years ago? We and many other schools had an "anti strike" strike, basically a refusal to go back to class in, eh, protest at, heh, heh heh, hahaha, the damage they were doing to our education. Actually, think less dignified protest, more violent lawless insurrection, it was a fookin riot! Great times. That winter was fcuking freezing too, so the lie ins we had twice a week at one stage were welcome. Do they still have those breaktime supervisors (or scabs as the teachers called them ) in schoolyards? I cant remember if they were ever got rid of tbh, think they were. They were alot like Gardai, in that if they saw a fight break out they wouldnt bother their hole intervening, place went to hell the first few days. Still, the teachers would never say one word to the scabs, despised them. Anyway, teachers are paid filthy money for the work they do.
briantwin wrote: » I mean you start on 32k a year
rubadub wrote: » Does anybody know how much this is per hour? Just so I can compare it so a "normal", 9-5 job with 4 weeks holidays, and 45min lunch break in total.
Overheal wrote: » theyre loaded and they know it. just look at their cars.
briantwin wrote: » Well if you work it out as starting in class 9.30 - 4.30 with an hour for lunch and breaks etc. thats 7 hours a day. Thats 35 hours a week multiplied by 40 (weeks) because they generally get a 2 months off in the summer and then mid terms and stuff. Turns out to be 23 euro an hour roughly. But as i said thats without taking into account supervision which they get paid 50 euro an hour for etc. Could a teacher illuminate us on this topic as my figures are merely an estimation at best. Other work may come into, well class preparation etc. I know some teachers who have been pretty much doing the same classes and syllabus for the last 5 years all the preparation and stuff is pretty much done.
stepbar wrote: » When was the last time you heard about a teacher being sacked for being crap?
janeybabe wrote: » There needs to be a proper system for weeding out the bad ones.
gcgirl wrote: » I think the teachers are intitled to more money!!
Rob_l wrote: » I think everyone accepts this, but how? Student reports? Terrible Idea vindictive students would make this idea unworkable Other teacher reports? Very similiar problems as above Judging on student grades? So who would want to teach the students who do not progress well in standard education some form of testing? but how do you test for a bad teacher? As a new young teacher how do you think they could do it?
janeybabe wrote: » It's a hard one. Random inspection is another idea but this would be very hard to implement with lack of resources, etc, and would probably only weed out a few. Perhaps a system where certain teachers are given the job of 'supervising' groups of other teachers in the school, sitting in on classes every once in awhile, evaluating etc. You'd have to be careful with this one though and make sure the supervisors could give an honest opinion.
Rob_l wrote: » I dont think random inspection can work it may be a surprise but it is still known by the teacher they are being observed so they can for that day act as they should. Independent assessors would they get the backing of the ASTI I doubt it, they would surely see this as bad for their members. I checked all my spelling teacher:D
janeybabe wrote: » Ya, honestly I don't know how it could be done but it needs to be done. Now translate your last post into perfect Irish for me and you'll have gained my respect forever. * *Forever may not last forever!
