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Joining the regular British Army?

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  • #32
    DILLIGAF
    Closed Accounts Posts: 383 ✭✭DILLIGAF


    Catcher86 wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity, how did he go about getting into the USMC?

    well his mam is from the states so that's his citizenship sorted. don't think there's much more one has to do other than fill in an application form and pass the tests! ^^


  • #33
    DILLIGAF
    Closed Accounts Posts: 383 ✭✭DILLIGAF


    Flying wrote: »
    Your better off staying out of Irish Regiments just my two cents the Royal Irish and the Micks are not exactly great regiments for career progression.

    You should look for a Skill and go for something like the RE or the signals as the have Para,Commando and SAS detachments but you still have better prospects for promotion and tech pay.

    I was all for being Mr.Stormtrooper when I joined up against the better advice of the recruitment sgt in palace bks, it is now as I am mature look back and saw that getting a skill would have been better..

    Also look at intelligence but you will have to score high in your BARB to be even considered but it has fast track promotion as does signals and engineers !

    So after I finish my 14 weeks basic (assuming I simply go for regular army) I should pick a skill like you've suggested? That would be during phase 2 training right? Are you shown all of your options prior to phase 2?


  • #34
    Flying
    Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Flying


    DILLIGAF wrote: »
    So after I finish my 14 weeks basic (assuming I simply go for regular army) I should pick a skill like you've suggested? That would be during phase 2 training right? Are you shown all of your options prior to phase 2?



    You apply to join a regiment if you get in your goto the relevant ATR.

    It is not like here were you goto an INF BN, CAV SQN or ARTY REG and then after a few years you may get a course.

    You apply directly for a specific trade, obviously you do recruit training before hand then you go onto specialist training,weither it be int training,sigs,engineers,reme training etc

    Goto the BA Website there is plenty of info there...

    Also note applying from Ireland it can take up to a year from application to getting in, because of security clearances by the BA to the lazy civil servant bastards in the the Police and department of foreign affairs.

    You will also have to do a potential recruits course which is over a weekend or over a 2 to 3 day period, so the process can be lengthy but worth it.


  • #35
    DILLIGAF
    Closed Accounts Posts: 383 ✭✭DILLIGAF


    wow, I was prepared for a 6 month or so wait, but I guess there's more red tape then I anticipated. Not to worry, whats one year when your setting yourself up for a lifelong career.Might aswell send this form off tomorrow then. I'll go check out the website now as the skills side of thing is one of the really interesting parts.

    Question for you, on the application form they sent me, do I fill in the "national health number and insurance number" sections or leave them blank? Seeing as I'm not on the NHS I don't know if I should put my PPS number or something of the sort.


  • #36
    iwishicould
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭iwishicould


    Just leave any NHS/Insurance stuff blank. They know you're coming from Ireland.
    DILLIGAF wrote: »
    wow, I was prepared for a 6 month or so wait, but I guess there's more red tape then I anticipated. Not to worry, whats one year when your setting yourself up for a lifelong career.Might aswell send this form off tomorrow then. I'll go check out the website now as the skills side of thing is one of the really interesting parts.

    Question for you, on the application form they sent me, do I fill in the "national health number and insurance number" sections or leave them blank? Seeing as I'm not on the NHS I don't know if I should put my PPS number or something of the sort.


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  • #37
    iwishicould
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭iwishicould


    What part of my post was not true?
    Quis Separabit wrote: »
    This is not true.

    The Irish Guards supply one company (around 120 men) every two and a half years, for palace ceremonial duties which are rotated along with the other 4 guards regiments, they are a mechanised infantry regiment.
    <snip> All refferal links snipped - Hagar <snip>

    Many southern Irish serve in the Irish Guards.


  • #38
    Mrmotivator007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 44 ✭Mrmotivator007


    wow a year,i was expecting it to be much quicker than over here done within 3 or four months.I was planning on doing the four years and then coming back over here to be an officer after that,another year meaning this time next year?would mean after the four years id just about be young enough to apply for our army,25 is the maximium age right?
    on second thoughts i dont think ill bother with the PDF,just doing cash escorts and all that crap wouldnt appeal,to me,and very limited trips overseas!

    ll ask for a application form then!


  • #39
    Quis Separabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭Quis Separabit


    iwishicould wrote: »
    What part of my post was not true?


    You stated the Irish guards spend 6 months or longer every year outside Buckingham Palace, this is not true.

    They supply one company for ceremonial duties every 2 and a half years.


  • #40
    Quis Separabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭Quis Separabit


    DILLIGAF wrote: »
    So after I finish my 14 weeks basic (assuming I simply go for regular army) I should pick a skill like you've suggested? That would be during phase 2 training right? Are you shown all of your options prior to phase 2?


    Its 24 weeks infantry, 26 weeks guards.


  • #41
    OS119
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,518 ✭✭✭OS119


    Mrmotivator007 wrote: »
    wow a year,i was expecting it to be much quicker than over here done within 3 or four months.I was planning on doing the four years and then coming back over here to be an officer after that,another year meaning this time next year?would mean after the four years id just about be young enough to apply for our army,25 is the maximium age right?
    on second thoughts i dont think ill bother with the PDF,just doing cash escorts and all that crap wouldnt appeal,to me,and very limited trips overseas!

    ll ask for a application form then!

    its probably not a very good idea to have such long term plans, particularly as they are dependent on so many things you don''t have control over, and if anyone in the recruiting process suspected that your plans were to 'chop and change' then they might well look askance at you. you would best off looking at yourself hard in the mirror and asking if you really want to join a high tempo, high-end force as an end in itself, or do you want to to join the PDF with something a bit 'extra' under your belt?

    you might seriously need to reconsider the plan on another front too, after four years service you will be at lance-corporal/junior Captain (depending on whether you join the ranks or are commissioned) level with at least one very hard operational tour under your belt and having played with all the big boys toys in the UK arsenal - MLRS, fast air support, Battalion-sized heliborne operations, Apache, Chally 2's, Warrior, 'THEM' - and in general being in a very experienced and fast moving force that does an awful lot of very serious soldiering in its most pure - and complex - forms. will you then really want to move to a very different type of force as exemplified by the PDF?

    i'm not slagging down the PDF eoither as an organisation or its members, but the current British Amy and the PDF are very, very different beasts - as required by very, very different governmental foriegn policies. it might be foolish to believe that leaving one for the other will provide as much professional satisfaction.


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  • #42
    ldooley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16 ✭ldooley


    Just curious, before they were withdrawn from active service in the 6 counties could a Southern Irishman be sent to the North in the BA??


  • #43
    Quis Separabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭Quis Separabit


    ldooley wrote: »
    Just curious, before they were withdrawn from active service in the 6 counties could a Southern Irishman be sent to the North in the BA??



    Anyone with Southern Irish origins did not have to serve in the north, whatever regiment they served in.

    Which is why the Irish Guards never done a tour there until 93.


    The other infantry regiment excluded from service in the north were the Gurkhas.


  • #44
    iwishicould
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭iwishicould


    Yeah most still went up. check out the documentary For Queen and Country (i think thats the name). shows the Irish Guards up the north. one dubliner was on checkpoint duty and stopping cars etc. one car he stopped they asked him what he was doing up the north, they thought the south invaded :p
    Quis Separabit wrote: »
    Anyone with Southern Irish origins did not have to serve in the north, whatever regiment they served in.

    Which is why the Irish Guards never done a tour there until 93.


    The other infantry regiment excluded from service in the north were the Gurkhas.


  • #45
    Quis Separabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭Quis Separabit


    iwishicould wrote: »
    Yeah most still went up. check out the documentary For Queen and Country (i think thats the name). shows the Irish Guards up the north. one dubliner was on checkpoint duty and stopping cars etc. one car he stopped they asked him what he was doing up the north, they thought the south invaded :p



    The Irish guards did not serve in the north until 93.





    The Irish Guards, in common with the other British Army regiments of Irish origin, were long exempted from service in Northern Ireland. (Small numbers of Irish Guardsmen, however, gained experience in Ulster while attached to other Guards regiments during their service in the troubled province.) The drawdown in the overall size of the British Army following the end of the Cold War, however, meant that this policy was no longer sustainable. The year 1993 saw the regiment finally carry out its first tour-of-duty in Northern Ireland, being based in County Fermanagh. The violence in NI had mostly subsided by this time and their first-ever tour west of the Irish Sea passed quietly. They left the following year. In 1995 their second tour of NI began, based in County Tyrone. The regiment headed for Germany in 1998 as part of British Forces Germany, successor to BAOR.


  • #46
    iwishicould
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭iwishicould


    yeah you're stating the obvious there buddy. the docu was made in the mid to late nineties.
    Quis Separabit wrote: »
    The Irish guards did not serve in the north until 93.





    The Irish Guards, in common with the other British Army regiments of Irish origin, were long exempted from service in Northern Ireland. (Small numbers of Irish Guardsmen, however, gained experience in Ulster while attached to other Guards regiments during their service in the troubled province.) The drawdown in the overall size of the British Army following the end of the Cold War, however, meant that this policy was no longer sustainable. The year 1993 saw the regiment finally carry out its first tour-of-duty in Northern Ireland, being based in County Fermanagh. The violence in NI had mostly subsided by this time and their first-ever tour west of the Irish Sea passed quietly. They left the following year. In 1995 their second tour of NI began, based in County Tyrone. The regiment headed for Germany in 1998 as part of British Forces Germany, successor to BAOR.


  • #47
    Quis Separabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭Quis Separabit


    The household divisions origins go back to Charles I.

    Irish Guards advance on Basrah.



    <snip> All refferal links snipped - Hagar <snip>


  • #48
    Quis Separabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭Quis Separabit


    Another Irish (now part Irish) regiment not been mentioned are the The Queens Royal Hussars (the Queens own and Royal Irish), formerly the Royal Irish hussars, a senior cavalry regiment of the BA.
    <snip> All refferal links snipped - Hagar <snip>



    The Royal Irish hussars Challenger 2s in Iraq.


  • #49
    Quis Separabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭Quis Separabit


    The London Irish Rifles, now a TA regiment.


    They wear the famous Irish 'Caubeen.' The London Irish Rifles have deployed a number of soldiers to the Balkans, Iraq and Afghanistan.


  • #50
    Mrmotivator007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 44 ✭Mrmotivator007


    got my info pack and all the other,day,and have a barb test coming up,and a number and literacy test!(god thier efficient)

    this may sound like a weird question,but should i wear a suit,as its just a barb test?i dont want to turn up looking like an overdressed idiot!


  • #51
    uptherebels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    Mrmotivator007 wrote: »
    got my info pack and all the other,day,and have a barb test coming up,and a number and literacy test!(god thier efficient)

    this may sound like a weird question,but should i wear a suit,as its just a barb test?i dont want to turn up looking like an overdressed idiot!

    I HEARD smart civies for tests and to save the suits for the interviews.


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  • #52
    Oilrig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 727 ✭✭✭Oilrig


    Well I know sod all about UK regiments, but I was in Iraq in 2003 when they invaded and in Basra during the invasion I met many Irish, serving the with BA

    I was in the Hotel Jundian

    Many stories...


  • #53
    Mrmotivator007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 44 ✭Mrmotivator007


    uptherebels wrote: »
    I HEARD smart civies for tests and to save the suits for the interviews.

    dpesthat mean i can turn up in runners and a tracsuit.or do you meen smart caual?and what the hell is that! :p


  • #54
    OS119
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,518 ✭✭✭OS119


    Mrmotivator007 wrote: »
    dpesthat mean i can turn up in runners and a tracsuit.or do you meen smart caual?and what the hell is that! :p

    not if you actually want to get in!

    personally i'd say that 'smart casual' means trousers, shirt, shoes and a jacket, if you're applying as an officer it means a tie as well - but not a suit!

    if you arrive in said gear it must be clean, ironed and worn as if you have worn it before. if you do not have such gear then just turn up in what you've got but it must be clean and 'well presented'. your DS would far rather jeans, t-shirt and a primark casual jacket that is clean and worn with care than brogues, moleskins, checkshirt and sports jacket that looks like its spent the last week on your bedroom floor.

    all forms of 'selection' are looking not for the finished article, but for the potential and a desire to become the finished article - under the loving guidance of the DS of course...


  • #55
    uptherebels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    Mrmotivator007 wrote: »
    dpesthat mean i can turn up in runners and a tracsuit.or do you meen smart caual?and what the hell is that! :p
    ya I meant smart casual something like a pants,shirt and a tie/jumper,something like this for tests and stuff
    men's_casual_country_knitwear.jpg
    at the end of the day you will have people that will turn up dressed like this

    389944252_997660ed9f.jpg


    and its the same for every army.now im not saying that theres anything wrong with dressimg like that or that it will affect your chances of getting in but you are trying to put a certain message across


  • #56
    Pirbright
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29 ✭Pirbright


    I'm soon to be EX R IRISH due to an injury sustained. One of the best regiments in the BA. Alot of Southerners in it along with Nordies, Scousers, Fijians, South Africans......As part of 16 Air Assault Brigade, the tempo of ops will be high so be prepared for that. The best bit of advice for anyone joining is make sure you have a sense of humour! Bloody loved the job and wish I was still able to do. I'd be heading to parts sandy in a few weeks instead of now having to become a civvy again!


  • #57
    Mrmotivator007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 44 ✭Mrmotivator007


    Lol,love it im totally cluelees on fashion i aint even got a shirt(well one that is prwesentable for an interveiw,mostly tropical ones)id dress like the bottim guy without the hat and chain :p

    will this do
    http://brandnoise.typepad.com/brand_noise/images/18166785tigerwoods.jpg
    oviously minus the hat and golf shoes replaced by normal ones!


  • #58
    uptherebels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    Mrmotivator007 wrote: »
    Lol,love it im totally cluelees on fashion i aint even got a shirt(well one that is prwesentable for an interveiw,mostly tropical ones)id dress like the bottim guy without the hat and chain :p

    will this do
    http://brandnoise.typepad.com/brand_noise/images/18166785tigerwoods.jpg
    oviously minus the hat and golf shoes replaced by normal ones!

    like i said you can wear whatever you want,its up to you but if it was me id wear the jumper and pants for the tests and suit for interview


  • #59
    Mrmotivator007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 44 ✭Mrmotivator007


    uptherebels wrote: »
    like i said you can wear whatever you want,its up to you but if it was me id wear the jumper and pants for the tests and suit for interview

    is that not smart casual?slacks and a jumper?


  • #60
    DILLIGAF
    Closed Accounts Posts: 383 ✭✭DILLIGAF


    Pirbright wrote: »
    I'm soon to be EX R IRISH due to an injury sustained. One of the best regiments in the BA. Alot of Southerners in it along with Nordies, Scousers, Fijians, South Africans......As part of 16 Air Assault Brigade, the tempo of ops will be high so be prepared for that. The best bit of advice for anyone joining is make sure you have a sense of humour! Bloody loved the job and wish I was still able to do. I'd be heading to parts sandy in a few weeks instead of now having to become a civvy again!

    Can I ask, do you apply directly for the Royal Irish or is there a point during the interview or recruitment process that you request to be posted there? Bit of a newjack question but I had to ask!


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  • #61
    Size=everything
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Size=everything


    Hey I am also considering joining the BA after my Leavin cert was wondering how long does training take for infantry and how long until I could be deployed


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