Should Rafa go?

after todays match people will be calling for his head, but lets put it this way, who else is there?!

If the FAI can get Jovanni Trapatawny...

think there is a time limit on how long Jose cant manage in the PL?

but would people want him?seriously...he was hardly doing wonders at Chelsea in his last year with all the resources in the world, and i wouldnt view him as having the class to be associated with Liverpool tbh.

Isnt Lippi a bit old?

i agree.

Trampas wrote: »

So he needs 5 years to get where?

5th in the Premiership

Mr Alan wrote: »

now at the start of the season, did many or any Liverpool fans want Rafa to get the sack? i doubt it. but yet in the space of a few months there has been a huge change in peoples opinions.granted this season is not going well. but he should be at least given next season.

he always said he wanted five years to get it right. i've said this a thousand times. but i think that winning in Istanbul and Cardiff should have bought him his five years.

Definitely didn't want him to get the sack at start of year - exact opposite, hoped that we'd be more of a presence in the league this year - ie improve. As we haven't, in the 4th year, I want him gone. Be different if it was the first, second or even third year.

And surely to get things right in 5 years you have to be gradually making progress throughout that time, which peaks at 5 years, not take one step forward 2 steps back. As the 4th year may potentially be the worst year, I can't see how we can 'get it right' in the 5th year.

Winning in Istanbul and Cardiff should definitely buy time, but progress should be made in that time, and it's not. I really like Rafa, but this is just awful. I'd truly love if it does turn around and he delivers a League next year, I just can't see it. Thereofre I'd like to start again now rather than in another year.

Mr Alan wrote: »

Arsenal struggled for fourth couple of years ago and finished 4th last year, look at em now! dont think nescessarily we have to increase our points tally etc etc to think that we have any chance next year, think if Alonso could improve his form drastically, Babel become more adapted to the prem, same for Lucas, get a couple of decent new players in the window, we may still be able to challenge next year. thats why i think its important that Rafa gets his 5th year.

You can't compare us with Arsenal. Their manager is far more astute when it come to buying youngsters than Rafa or any other Prem manager come to that. It pains me to say it but I cannot see us ever winning the Premiership under Rafa. And if he cannot bring that nothing else counts imo.

Look man, I can't see what point you're making here. You compare us to Arsenal because they are doing better now than they were a couple of seasons back, when I reply that the difference is that they invest excellently in young players, you come back with their young players have won nothing?! Wenger won the double in his second season. I'm pretty sure he had bought Anelka and Vieira by that stage. He's been buying well from the start, as I'm sure you're aware.

as i said, i dont think our current board will make any decision on Rafa as i dont think they'll be there come the start of next season.

i agree ye are very patient, and have been with Wenger, not having won a trophy since 2005 (correct?), but liverpool used to be same, we used to be famed for it, now...since a CL final in may, when no one was calling for Rafas head, to this point now, people want Rafa gone. i think it sums up everything wrong with modern football.

i'm sure people were frustrated with the apparent lack of progress at Utd before they started winning under ferguson.

from wiki.

Ferguson made several major signings in the 1987-88 season, including Steve Bruce, Viv Anderson, and Brian McClair. The new players greatly improved the team and they finished in second place, nine points behind Liverpool.

United were expected to do well when Mark Hughes returned to the club, along with goalkeeper Jim Leighton, but the 1988-89 season was a disappointment for them, finishing eleventh in the league and losing 1–0 at home to Nottingham Forest in the FA Cup quarter-final.

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people see my point? wat if Utd had of sacked SAF as they could not "see" the improvements being made? where would that have left them? who knows.

leninbenjamin wrote: »

Frankly, all of those players bar Reina and Torres are still just unfulfilled potential. when they can be ranked along side Vieira and Henry then you might be onto something... but anyone can spot a decent youngster...

Viera and Henry? two of the best players ever to play in the PL? think you are possibly setting the bar a little too high!?

i wouldnt call Alonso,Mascherano,Agger solely potential, they are already super super super super players.

Shamrok wrote: »

You compare us to Arsenal because they are doing better now than they were a couple of seasons back.

my point was simply that because the progress being made currently is not visible on the pitch, it does not mean that it is not being made. Arsenal over the last couple of seasons proves that, and Utd in the 80's proves it.

Shamrok wrote: »

when I reply that the difference is that they invest excellently in young players, you come back with their young players have won nothing?!

simply pointing out that thats a policy they are able to indulge in because Wenger is in no immediate danger if he doesnt win a trophy, as they havent for the last 3 years. it is also a policy that Rafa hs started at Liverpool buying a lot of Europes mort talented young footballers into Liverpools academy.

Shamrok wrote: »

Wenger won the double in his second season.

Rafa won the CL in his first. and i believe the team that Wenger inherited was substantially better than the one Rafa did if i'm not mistaken.