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Should Rafa go?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Yes
    kryogen wrote: »
    well, thats it ladies and gents, God on all rafa and liverpool matters has spoken, no more need for discussion

    im gonna give you a :rolleyes::rolleyes: for that one al;)

    Wat?!:)

    the vast vast majority of proper liverpool fans dont want Rafa to go. therefore, he should not go!? So i am right :)

    a load of manc/arsenal/everton etc etc fans telling him how he should this and do that using their vast knowledge of football gathered from years of watching Sky in the pub and playing Championship manager through the night does not make them the ultimate authority on matters concerning Liverpool ;)
    Helix wrote: »
    if yis dont qualify for the champions league?

    Nah, i'd still give him his fifth season


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭Nailz


    No
    BaZmO* wrote: »
    What's this "if" business?
    So you're so sure you will??? :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    Nailz wrote: »
    So you're so sure you will??? :rolleyes:
    What? I'm sure that I'll qualify for the CL?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭Nailz


    No
    Are you so sure Liverpool will qualify for it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,658 ✭✭✭✭Peyton Manning


    I dont think it says much for your ambitions if you would keep him at the club without Champions League qualification.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,718 ✭✭✭✭Mental Mickey


    No (Liverpool fans)
    If Liverpool fail to finish in the top four, get knocked out of the Champions League, and(God forbid) Everton finish ahead of us this season, then, yes he should go.

    Give him until the end of this season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    Nailz wrote: »
    Are you so sure Liverpool will qualify for it?
    I'm a Utd. supporter. I was being facetious when I said "if"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Yes
    LOL-i didnt say indefinately without champions league qualification....

    just that this year if we didnt qualify, i'd stick with him for another year


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    lol are you doubting my championship and football manager abilitys??? i am in the hall of fame ill have you know!!!! :)

    i voted no, that i dont want rafa gone, i enjoy playing the pool with him in charge tbh and i see the pool as less of a threat due to his consistency problems, this is my honest opinion, i think benitez is a very good manager, but i dont think he instills the consistency needed to win this league.... i know he has won the spanish league but the dynamics of that league are very very different

    i dont think he is the man to lead you to the title, and for that reason alone i dont want him sacked...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,718 ✭✭✭✭Mental Mickey


    No (Liverpool fans)
    kryogen wrote: »
    lol are you doubting my championship and football manager abilitys??? i am in the hall of fame ill have you know!!!! :)

    i voted no, that i dont want rafa gone, i enjoy playing the pool with him in charge tbh and i see the pool as less of a threat due to his consistency problems, this is my honest opinion, i think benitez is a very good manager, but i dont think he instills the consistency needed to win this league.... i know he has won the spanish league but the dynamics of that league are very very different

    i dont think he is the man to lead you to the title, and for that reason alone i dont want him sacked...[/QUOTE]

    Cheeky f**ker. Are you a MANC, Arsenal, or Chelski supporter???


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 609 ✭✭✭Dubit10


    Yes
    Archimedes wrote: »
    I dont think it says much for your ambitions if you would keep him at the club without Champions League qualification.

    Emmm.Rafa 2 champs league finals in 3 years.....Fergie 1 in 20 odd years. Doesnt say much for your clubs ambitions when you keep a manager in charge of the worlds richest club for that long with such a poor record in europe.Sure he's untouchable now isnt he;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭d22ontour


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    Wat?!:)

    the vast vast majority of proper liverpool fans dont want Rafa to go. therefore, he should not go!? So i am right :)

    a load of manc/arsenal/everton etc etc fans telling him how he should this and do that using their vast knowledge of football gathered from years of watching Sky in the pub and playing Championship manager through the night does not make them the ultimate authority on matters concerning Liverpool ;)

    Proper Liverpool fans ?
    Watching sky in the pub ?

    So seeing as you thought you would actually challenge for the title 'this season' and then when that became a no-brainer came to the thought of finishing 5-8 points behind the eventual winners this season 'but are now 17 points behind in January' leads me to ask which of the above you fall into ? Some Pool fans don't think he is good enough to win the league and you ridicule them, some 'almost all other' fans don't think he can win you the league and you ridicule them ? So only proper Liverpool fans know he will win the league wait for it , we have heard it before ,NEXT YEAR ? I think the realistic pool fans offer a better opinion .

    :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,555 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Just out of interest, Mr. Alan, what would need to happen for you to say Benitez should go? What is the minimum target for next year for him to be able to stay.

    I think he's gone in the summer regardless, should he go? probably not until there is a ready made replacement for him, but given what the expectations are at Liverpool, he probably should, it doesn't look like he'll ever deliver on this front.

    If Liverpool drop out of 4th place contention mathematically near the end of the season, or make it safe, he might go at that stage rather then drag it out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭colly10


    Think it's too early to say, I think it should be decided on at the end of the season. The form at the moment is very poor and I think he is responsible for that, we have decent players and it's up to him to get the best out of them.
    If the form improves and we close the gap to Chelsea (or 3rd place) then we should give him another season, otherwise it's time for him to go.
    We were actually playing good football at the begining of the season (the Chelsea game comes to mind, not just the fact that we deserved to win but the football was good quality). Now were not playing good passing football and we seem to lack the imagination to cut teams open.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen



    Cheeky f**ker. Are you a MANC, Arsenal, or Chelski supporter???

    i am neither a man c, arse, or celski fan, i would have thought it was obvious who i support by now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    Yes
    astrofool wrote: »
    Just out of interest, Mr. Alan, what would need to happen for you to say Benitez should go? What is the minimum target for next year for him to be able to stay.

    This has been flogged to death at this stage but for one last time.. Liverpool are badly in need of 2 world class wingers and 1 world class striker. If Rafa is given the funds to sign these 3 players in the summer, I expect Liverpool to genuinely challenge for the league with 2 or 3 games being the difference. If having signed these players, and assumung the squad is not ravaged with injuries for the majority of thr season, we have another season of 65 to 70 points, I would have to call Rafa's ability to win the PL into question.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭dc69


    Yes
    we can see now that he doesnt really roatate gerrard,mashc,torres,cara,reina.I can see a trend if he gets 2 more quality players that they wont be rotated either and lets not forget babel wasnt cheap either,so i can see him playing up front.
    If next season he gets two new quality players and i cant see them being defenders,we may do well in the league,I think they will give him money this summer and after that if he doesnt improove then fire him but whats they point to keep changing managers,it doeas no one any good and half the reason people dont rate him is because of his rotating


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,510 ✭✭✭sprinkles


    This has been flogged to death at this stage but for one last time.. Liverpool are badly in need of 2 world class wingers and 1 world class striker. If Rafa is given the funds to sign these 3 players in the summer, I expect Liverpool to genuinely challenge for the league with 2 or 3 games being the difference. If having signed these players, and assumung the squad is not ravaged with injuries for the majority of thr season, we have another season of 65 to 70 points, I would have to call Rafa's ability to win the PL into question.
    but is it not the fact that Rafa had brought in wingers who are not world class and have failed to live up the the standard that Liverpool fans expect - Pennant, Benayoun(sp) and Babel. Then look at the front 2 - Torres - undeniable genius and a pool legend in the making but look who else were brought in - Kuyt - average at best, Voronin - hasn't impressed me at all so far.

    If you took the combined money for these and put them towards 2 good wingers I'm sure you would have got what you're looking for. That said though it would leave you short of cover so perhaps his hands are being tied somewhat but still there are some very average players hanging around Anfield at the minute (and for the last 15 years). He needs a squad clearout imo and the cash to bring in 2 - 3 top class players.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,714 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Yes
    sprinkles wrote: »
    but is it not the fact that Rafa had brought in wingers who are not world class and have failed to live up the the standard that Liverpool fans expect - Pennant, Benayoun(sp) and Babel. Then look at the front 2 - Torres - undeniable genius and a pool legend in the making but look who else were brought in - Kuyt - average at best, Voronin - hasn't impressed me at all so far.

    If you took the combined money for these and put them towards 2 good wingers I'm sure you would have got what you're looking for. That said though it would leave you short of cover so perhaps his hands are being tied somewhat but still there are some very average players hanging around Anfield at the minute (and for the last 15 years). He needs a squad clearout imo and the cash to bring in 2 - 3 top class players.

    Voronin cost nothing. Yossi has been well worth what was paid for him. Babel has bags of potential.

    Pennant is Pennant. He's not bad to have around the squad. Kuyt is in a slump - but it wasn't too long ago that everyone was delighted with him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    Yes
    Jesus ****, damn you PHB for creating another thread when stuff like his post has been dealt with a million ****ing times in the Liverpool thread..

    sprinkles wrote: »
    but is it not the fact that Rafa had brought in wingers who are not world class and have failed to live up the the standard that Liverpool fans expect - Pennant, Benayoun(sp) and Babel.

    Pennant is the only true winger on that list and is more than up to the task of being the squad backup for a world class winger.. 1 of the 3 players I said that we need.

    Babel is not a winger. Will likely be employed in the front line of a 4-3-3. Benayoun is not a winger either. Saying that, they have scored 17 goal between them this season.
    sprinkles wrote: »
    Then look at the front 2 - Torres - undeniable genius and a pool legend in the making but look who else were brought in - Kuyt - average at best, Voronin - hasn't impressed me at all so far.

    Torres is the perfect example of the calibre of player that Rafa wants to buy when he is given the funds to go after the players that he wants. Not the players that he has to make do with due to relatively limited funds.

    Kuyt scored 17 goals in his first season. This season he has scored 7 goals but has been a massive disappointment. He is severely off form or has complete lost it. He needs to be dropped. Voronin was a free. He seems to get more criticism the less he plays. Has started 10 games this season in the PL and scored 3. One of these two will likely leave at the end of the season and be replaced by the 2nd of the 3 players that we need.
    sprinkles wrote: »
    If you took the combined money for these and put them towards 2 good wingers I'm sure you would have got what you're looking for. That said though it would leave you short of cover so perhaps his hands are being tied somewhat but still there are some very average players hanging around Anfield at the minute (and for the last 15 years). He needs a squad clearout imo and the cash to bring in 2 - 3 top class players.
    [/QUOTE]

    You answered your own question... I do not agree that he needs a clearout..
    If I was to list players that I feel is the right time to sell them, it would be Kuyt/Voronin (1 of these 2 should be sold and replaced with genuine class), Riise (too wasteful in recent months), Kewell (doesn't seem to have any desire anymore and should be replaced with genuine class) and maybe Hypia (now that we have got a replacement).

    Saying that about Kewell however, having him as backup to the 3rd of the 3 players we need would also suffice.


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  • Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    No
    I really can't think of a scenario where he CAN stay at the club while the current owners are there. Fair play to him for sticking at it but I don't see how anyone can expect him to perform with all of the rubbish that has been going on in the background at Liverpool.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,228 ✭✭✭Chardee MacDennis


    Yes
    can people stop asking the same questions over and over and go read through the f***ing thread. i'm sure you'll find the answers to your question.

    you all sound like the same person with Alzheimer's...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭ButcherOfNog


    Yes
    I think he'll go at the end of the season, lots of clubs will want him and know the situation hes been put in, and they'll be more than willing to pay compo to get him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    No
    Yes, but not until the season is finished.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    lots of clubs will... know the situation hes been put in

    what situation is that? that hes been given 4 years and a hell of a lot of a money to ultimately build a team who are 17 points off the top (assuming they win today) and struggling for the final CL place in a season their fans were predicting confidently that theyd put up a real fight for the title?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,820 ✭✭✭grames_bond


    No
    yes he should go....and manage ireland!! :D (lets start another rumour)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,718 ✭✭✭✭Mental Mickey


    No (Liverpool fans)
    yes he should go....and manage ireland!! :D (lets start another rumour)

    Oh GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWD, no.:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    Yes
    Oh GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWD, no.:(

    lol, what now, you wouldn't want a Benitez in the Ireland job? It is never gonna happen but jesus, you are loosing credibility by the second.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,658 ✭✭✭✭Peyton Manning


    Could you imagine the Spanish/Irish players he'd get us though?

    Fernand O'Torres, Davey Silva, Jackeen etc.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭Nailz


    No
    It's a shame Deco isn't Spanish because I would have definatly added onto that last post... CARLOS QUERIOS!!! :D


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