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M6 - Kilbeggan to Athlone

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭serfboard


    ga2re2t wrote: »
    Also, for those sad people (like me) who just can't get enough of maps, here is the proposed N6 Kilbeggan to Athlone route on Google Maps:
    N6 - Kilbeggan to Athlone.
    While drawing this I noticed that I could not understand the justification for junction 7.

    Good work. I agree - I'm a bit puzzled by this junction as well. The only way I could figure it is as follows:

    1. They've put junction 7 where it is in order to tie in Moate and the N80. Good. Westbound traffic from Kilbeggan for Moate exits off here.
    2. But, eastbound traffic from Athlone would have to double-back to reach Moate. So, put in junction 7 (and have them roll along the old N6 for a bit). However,
    3. This means that westbound traffic from Kilbeggan bound for the N62 will either have to:
    a. Double-back from junction 8 :( or,
    b. Join the R444 for a few miles :(

    Why they couldn't have built a link directly from the new road to the N62 is beyond me. I detect a whiff of compromise (or is it bean-counting?) in the air.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭ga2re2t


    serfboard wrote: »
    Why they couldn't have built a link directly from the new road to the N62 is beyond me. I detect a whiff of compromise (or is it bean-counting?) in the air.
    I can't even see the need for linking the N6 to the N62, particularly if you're coming from the east. If you want to go to Birr and beyond then you'd take the N52 and the proposed Tullamore bypass (under construction). Ferbane is too small to warrant this.
    It could also be a tourist thing. I imagine they'll have a sign at junction 7 for Clonmacnoise and the Galway/Offaly Shannon region. There maybe also be plans to upgrade the R444. The N62 is definitely earmarked by Offaly Co Co to be upgraded with bypasses of Ferbane, Cloghan and Birr, so this would fit well into this.

    In any case, what's done is done and I doubt anyone cares as long as they can bypass Moate! :D


  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That junction was an add-on, I recon that they had this idea of opening the Moate - Kilbeggan section first then realised that the only junction was to the east of Moate.
    So add in a new (cheap) junction to the west and bypass Moate as soon as possible. It's a good thing that plan was shelved as this junction would have been a nightmare, with westbound traffic having to turn right from a minor road onto the old N6 & being held up by all the eastbound local traffic etc.

    Don't be surprised if it is'nt built at all now!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭blast05


    Agggghhhhhh ....... what a pain. How the hell do they originally commit April and then a couple of months later say August / September. A 4 month delay introduced in 2 months. Something stinks here. Almost every section of major inter-urban routes opened over the last few years have been opened anything from 4 to 12 months ahead of schedule and on budget.
    Hmmm ....... with pretty much all the contracts for all the major inter-urban routes having been signed and uncertainty about the likelihood of future projects cos of tightening government finance and the Greens being in power, what would you do if you were the road developer in this case ??? take longer to build it and go over budget by a few pound ?!?!?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭ga2re2t


    blast05 wrote: »
    Hmmm ....... with pretty much all the contracts for all the major inter-urban routes having been signed and uncertainty about the likelihood of future projects cos of tightening government finance and the Greens being in power, what would you do if you were the road developer in this case ??? take longer to build it and go over budget by a few pound ?!?!?
    Of course, it makes sense! Damn it! Unfortunately, we can probably expect more of this.
    (Don't know what you mean by the Greens being in power. There's little they can really do. Talk to any civil servant and you'll soon understand that ministers are more figureheads than anything else).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,551 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    August/September is still ahead of schedule!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,490 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    blast05 wrote: »
    A 4 month delay introduced in 2 months.
    It is possible in many situations.

    If say, you hoped to get something done before winter set in, but for whatever reason couldn't, you might have to wait 4-6 months for the weather to improve.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭blast05


    Its only since about the end of November that they announced April as the opening date. Surely there was nothing they were planning to do in December or January that could delay it.
    All major structures are more or less complete (apart from 1 or 2 near Athlone) and only relatively 'short' sections between Athlone and Moate don't have at least a base layer of tarmac


  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Pittabang


    I'll be heading through 4 times this weekend so I'll try to have a good goo as I am going past to see any progress. I'll be interested to see progress on bridge just outside the town on Athlone side where completion and then demolition of existing road has to happen next I assume


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  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Pittabang


    Great to see last week that the bridge in the previous post is almost completed. I suspect there can't be much left is getting this completed. Any other major improvments of note?:confused::confused:


  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Looks to me like the infrastructure is almost complete, just needs the road surface to be laid. Went past yesterday, It looked like they were prepairing to finish the sub-surface on the western end of the bridge, eastern side appears complete.

    Edit: I am referring to the overbridge west of Moate


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭blast05


    Am heading our for a spin on the bike tomorrow morning. Will head for Kilbeggan and spur off the main road at each road that will have a flyover over the M6 to try and get a full picture.


  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    [speculation]
    There is another reason for the opening date being put back, and that is the fact that the contractors have installed motorway signs (technicaly it's still a HQDC). The consultation period for upgrading this and other sections to motorway standard will probably go on until the early summer. It can't be opened as a motorway if it's legally a HQDC.

    To open the road before it is legally classified as a motorway, the contractors would have to change the signage.

    It would be a bit silly to replace all the signs with green ones and then change them back a few weeks later.

    [/speculation]

    I hope I'm wrong but sillier things have happened before.


  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That junction was an add-on, I recon that they had this idea of opening the Moate - Kilbeggan section first then realised that the only junction was to the east of Moate.
    So add in a new (cheap) junction to the west and bypass Moate as soon as possible. It's a good thing that plan was shelved as this junction would have been a nightmare, with westbound traffic having to turn right from a minor road onto the old N6 & being held up by all the eastbound local traffic etc.

    Don't be surprised if it is'nt built at all now!
    I stand corrected! this junction is still being built, I drove that way yesterday. :o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭blast05


    Don't think the delay is anything to do with motorway signs.
    From looking east and west at all flyover bridges from Athlone to Horseleap yesterday morning its clear there is a pile of work yet to be done.
    The bridges are mostly done apart from numbers 2 and 3 (opposite the landfill site and the 1 being built close to Castledaly crossroads). Based on the rate of construction of the bridge a mile east of Moate, which incidentally i reckon will open this week, then i'd say bridges 2 and 3 are least 2 months from completion.
    Also, there appears to be a new bridge being built for the old Clara road out from Moate. The old road is now closed (presumably to allow for construction of this bridge) and of course to get to Clara you have to go to the roundabout out the Horseleap road from Moate. Anyway, this bridge seems to have only recently started and thus is months from completion.
    All other bridges 100% done.
    No final wearing course layer of tarmac to be seen anywhere yet albeit that the vast majority of the road has the base layer down apart from around recently completed bridges.
    No crash barriers erected anywhere yet
    All in all, progress seems to suggest that it is not 1 single issue that is preventing an April opening which again begs the question as to why we were told April only a couple of months ago
    At least there was a hive of activity with bridge builders and machinery around bridge 2 (opposite the landfill site) at 8am on Saturday morning


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    Sections of hardcore are down on the route where it crosses the existing N6 east of Aughrim, on the Ballinasloe bypass section and again where it crosses from South to North approaching Athlone from the west.

    the bridge west of Moate is still a reasonable way from completion - the new carriageway is still below the bridge deck at the west end anyway.


  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The overbridge west of Moate, looks like it's making good progress, came through early this morning and they had stripped the surface of the old road in preparation to lay the final surface over the bridge. Not long now before opening the bridge.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29 AM


    Bridge west of Moate (at Farnagh) was open this morning. :)

    Two way traffic. No road markings down yet but cones are at the road edges and in the middle of the road.


  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Back on the temp loop tonight when I drove home, :confused:

    The ends of the loop are rather dangerouse as theyhave very narrow lanes with sharp bends. Looks like they run out of time tonight.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29 AM


    Back on the temp loop tonight when I drove home, :confused:

    The ends of the loop are rather dangerouse as theyhave very narrow lanes with sharp bends. Looks like they run out of time tonight.

    Looks like I jumped the gun there. :rolleyes: Seems like the new bridge was only temporarily opened Friday morning. Heres hoping it's finished this week coming...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Pittabang


    The Q into Moate towards dublin was the longest I've ever seen it last night. It must have been over a mile past the new bridge. I had to turn back and head up towards Mulingar -which really is not a bad alternate as it only took about 75minutes from Athlone to get to the end of the N4 at Leixlip.

    I know the bridge is a nice milestone but I really cannot wait until the whole road gets opened.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭blast05


    Right, for those heading east on a Sunday night, the easiest way to avoid Moate is as per below. Never mind looking for the backroads when you see a 2-4 mile tailback on the main road

    Take the 'Cavan' / 'Blyry Industrial Estate' exit when heading east on the Athlone dual carriageway (3rd exit after the Shannon). At the top of the slip road, take a left. After about 50 metres take the first right for 'Mount Temple' and 'Baylin'. Keep going straigt for 6 miles bringing you to a 'fork' yield junction on the edge of Mount Temple. Take a right at this junction and then straight on through Mount Temple and all the way to Moate (~3 miles). As you are coming into Moate, take a left immediately after you cross over a railway line. Follow on for about 500m bringing you to a junction right in the middle of Moate. Left to merge into the flow of traffic for Dublin.
    This 'detour' off the Athlone by-pass is only about half a mile longer to Moate than going via the main road


  • Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭Golden Horde


    blast05 wrote: »
    Right, for those heading east on a Sunday night, the easiest way to avoid Moate is as per below. Never mind looking for the backroads when you see a 2-4 mile tailback on the main road

    Take the 'Cavan' / 'Blyry Industrial Estate' exit when heading east on the Athlone dual carriageway (3rd exit after the Shannon). At the top of the slip road, take a left. After about 50 metres take the first right for 'Mount Temple' and 'Baylin'. Keep going straigt for 6 miles bringing you to a 'fork' yield junction on the edge of Mount Temple. Take a right at this junction and then straight on through Mount Temple and all the way to Moate (~3 miles). As you are coming into Moate, take a left immediately after you cross over a railway line. Follow on for about 500m bringing you to a junction right in the middle of Moate. Left to merge into the flow of traffic for Dublin.
    This 'detour' off the Athlone by-pass is only about half a mile longer to Moate than going via the main road

    Don't suppose you have a detour for travelling west by any chance....?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭blast05


    There is but i wouldn't have a hope of being able to give you the level of detail i did in the last post. If the tailback is very long then take a left turn halfway along the long 2 mile straight just before Moate (the turn is just before the old hotel on the right hand side). Follow this until you come out on to the Moate Clara road turning right for Moate. You will come to a new roundabout linked to the motorway being built from which you turn left and i'm afriad i'll have to leave you there. Follow your nose and you will either find yourself rejoining the main road just west of the new flyover bridge 1 mile west of Moate or else you will find yourself rejoining the main road half to Athlone.


  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Pittabang


    I have taken a bypass going west but the road is very narrow and there are some vans using it now so i dont bother. The way is as follows...
    Take a left turn off the main road just atthe Mercedes truck garage or whatever it is. There is a signpost to TUBER. Keep on this road(over the new bypass being built ) and into what i assume is TUBER. Cross the main road here and travel for about a mile or so. There is a sneaky right turn at a Neighbourhood watch signpost or something- take this. Road gets nice and straight for a few miles until a cross road. Again straight through and dont go over 20 KMPH as this bit is really bumpy. Follow all the way along -where it starts to get V Narrow and windy. Another cross roads and straight throug again- actually its slightly offset but go straight. You'll come out atthe new bridge. As I said V Skinny and i tend to sit in the traffic rather than take it these days- new car and all that


    any progress on the bridge?


  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Pittabang wrote: »
    any progress on the bridge?

    Came through earlier today, looks like the finishing touches were being put on the final road layout. It may open tonight!! *hopefully*
    I will be going that way again tonight will update this then.

    EDIT: Fully open now, most of the roadworks signs are gone as well. one set of works less to worry about. :D


  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    AM wrote: »
    Looks like I jumped the gun there. :rolleyes: Seems like the new bridge was only temporarily opened Friday morning. Heres hoping it's finished this week coming...
    It is now :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Pittabang


    smashing news. I look forward to driving it on Friday and having a goo at the rest of the building site, one more piece down


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,978 ✭✭✭kravmaga


    http://www.nra.ie/RoadSchemeActivity/WestmeathCountyCouncil/N6KinnegadAthloneKMA/Map,11577,en.pdf

    According to the website which may not be up to date, this scheme is not due for completion until the end of Q3 2008.

    So dont get too excited folks.

    No mention about any fly over bridge in Moate

    But then again it is a while since I have been on the N6, me Dub ya see, lol


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29 AM


    http://www.nra.ie/RoadSchemeActivity/WestmeathCountyCouncil/N6KinnegadAthloneKMA/Map,11577,en.pdf

    According to the website which may not be up to date, this scheme is not due for completion until the end of Q3 2008.

    So dont get too excited folks.

    Yeah, it's looking more like a summer completion date. I'll stick my neck out and guess they'll try to finish it in time for the builder's holidays, so mid-July.
    No mention about any fly over bridge in Moate

    But then again it is a while since I have been on the N6, me Dub ya see, lol

    The bridge under discussion is part of the current N6 and is necessary because the new road goes north under this road near junction 7 on the map you gave above.

    This morning they began demolishing the temporary road beside the new bridge so there'll soon be a new view to the south soon.


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  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    AM wrote: »
    This morning they began demolishing the temporary road beside the new bridge so there'll soon be a new view to the south soon.
    I believe that's the last piece of sub-road (or whatever it's called) that needs to be built. the remainder of the route could possibly be driven on (without a 4x4)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,600 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Ah i dreamed of a Moate bypass last night....

    I really should get out more! :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Pittabang


    I've had that dream before too:DAnd I expect to keep having it until the end of the summer


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭ga2re2t


    Just noticed that when you ask Google maps for a Dublin-Galway itinerary, it now takes you on the, as yet unfinished, N6 Moate bypass!
    Check it out here.


  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'll get the 4x4 SUV :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭blast05


    Good to see a few different gangs working on the road today - Sunday. Was surprised to see it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Pittabang


    so there is about 6 weeks to go to the end of April. what do you rekon for a Moate bypass by then. Remember there was some talk not so long ago about a partial opening ahead of the full opening. Just wondering if it physically looks possible?
    I have the luxury of driving round the streets of sao paulo for the next couple of weeks and I have realised what bad traffic is really like.

    I may never be cross at Moate again....doubt it though...::p:

    anyone got anything to report


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,600 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    I cant see it happening. The silence from the guys that are building it is deafening. Theyd be boasting if they were on or near ahead of schedule!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,829 ✭✭✭JackieChan


    Was driving from Portlaoise to Athlone(via tullamore/clara/Moate) and I was queueing to join main road from roundabout outside Moate. After 30 mins of creeping forward we turned around and went back to Tullamore. I'm sure the fact that this was a Saturday on a B/H weekend was the reason it was so bad. Oh how I wished I'd an SUV and the balls to put it down on the slip road to the Motorway which was near!!
    From what I saw at the weekend there is no way that the bypass could be open in 6 weeks


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,600 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    We need slave labour to speed this bloody thing up. How many months of our lives have we wasted in Moate unnecessarily already?! :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭blast05


    Bridge opposite Ballydonagh landfill site to be opened to traffic next week. All the way from that bridge to the interchange at the east end of the Athlone bypass now has the base layer of tarmac in place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ipodrocker


    ga2re2t wrote: »
    Just noticed that when you ask Google maps for a Dublin-Galway itinerary, it now takes you on the, as yet unfinished, N6 Moate bypass!
    Check it out here.

    no way thats mad! funny though!


  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Pittabang


    the funny thing is that the road isn't done yet. Hang on that's not funny afterall..........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,600 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    July - what a joke. Give us our road already


  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    July - what a joke. Give us our road already
    July??? where did you see that? (just curious)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,600 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Just from one of the earlier poster's guesstimates.

    Farcial that it would take so long to get this done. Why they bothered with a bypass of Kilbeggan is beyond me. The problem is M-O-A-T-E. Sort that out first, then well worry about the smaller bottlenecks (if you could call Kilbeggan or Horseleap such)

    I think its retarded that the NRA do all of these roads from Dublin outward. E.g they organised the M4 all the way up to Kinnegad. Then the N6 to Tyrellspass. Then Kilbeggan. Now to Athlone.

    I miss the old days when they thought practically about the relative size of each town, and not on how close it was to Dublin. The Athlone bypass is a magnificent example of such.

    I know that i wont care once its done, but for now, my username is very apt


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Pete4779


    continuity on a DC/M-way will maintain speed and shorten overall time travelled, instead of motorway - single lane through a town - motorway for a bit - then single lane again. I think the olden days of local lobbying to get a single lane bypass are thankfully gone. The size of the town has nothing to do with the overall traffic and major destinations at the end of the road (Dublin - Athlone -Galway). Same with Cork - Dublin. Build it from the cities where far more people live and work and create a continuity of road; unfortunately, it means that the small amount of people living in the midlands towns have to take it as it comes (although bearing in mind, the cities have far far more tax payers contributing to these roads so they IMHO should get priority building).

    So makes sense to build the roads in continuity.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Irish and Proud


    Just from one of the earlier poster's guesstimates.

    Farcial that it would take so long to get this done. Why they bothered with a bypass of Kilbeggan is beyond me. The problem is M-O-A-T-E. Sort that out first, then well worry about the smaller bottlenecks (if you could call Kilbeggan or Horseleap such)

    I think its retarded that the NRA do all of these roads from Dublin outward. E.g they organised the M4 all the way up to Kinnegad. Then the N6 to Tyrellspass. Then Kilbeggan. Now to Athlone.

    I miss the old days when they thought practically about the relative size of each town, and not on how close it was to Dublin. The Athlone bypass is a magnificent example of such.

    I know that i wont care once its done, but for now, my username is very apt

    The object of the current National Road Plan is to provide motorway links between the major urban centres using a rollout system. Take the N6 - the NRA are not interested in Moate - they look at the N6 as a whole and break it into sections so that contractors can get the motorway built ASAP. The N6 from Kinnegead to Athlone was proposed as one 58km (approx.) scheme for the EIS/CPO stage. I guess it was then seen as too big for a single contractor to take on, so the scheme was split exactly in two as it would be the most practical solution for build-ability purposes. I don't think Moate came into the equation at all - such thinking was used in the 1990's with motorways like the M1 and M7 Naas to Portlaoise - let's see how long they took to build...

    M1...

    First Scheme: Airport Road - 5km - Opened 1986
    Final Scheme: Dundalk Western By-pass - 11km app - Opened 2006

    M7...

    First Scheme: Naas By-pass - 8km - Opened 1983
    Final Scheme: Heath to Mayfield - 17km app - Opened 2004

    These motorways were built on a modular basis to serve the short-term objective of by-passing towns and bottlenecks, while fitting into the long-term motorway master-plan. The motorway sections were made extendable at the tie-in points. There are many very good examples of this along the entire M1. However, at more than 20 years a piece, it was ridiculous the length of time in completing the routes, as well as wastage in rebuilding at the tie-ins (even with the pre-planning aspect). This is why we have the rollout system today.

    Regards!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,600 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Yes but these schemes are all dual carriageway.

    A simple one-lane bypass of Moate would have worked wonders for it. Quick and efficient. Witness the Loughrea bypass.


  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And Enfield! yes I know half of it is N4, but it's still benefits Dublin - Galway traffic.


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