Should prostitution be legalised in Ireland or at least one county ?

AARRRGH · 18-12-2007 10:32PM

kickoutthejams wrote: »

I always wondered where the hell the men got the money to pay for it.

The clients are generally seperated or divorced men 40+. They have lots of money and very little to spend it on...

Earthhorse · 18-12-2007 11:23PM

Yeah, they should make it legal like you say but just in the one county, and they should rotate which county that is on a daily basis by mean's of a draw, similar to the Lotto, but not inform the public of the result of said draw until midnight.

Sex is more exciting when it's dangerous.

Terry · 18-12-2007 11:40PM

Hagar wrote: »

If it was legalised there would be 21% VAT at point of entry.

What if you went in the back door?

oleras · 18-12-2007 11:43PM

Terry wrote: »

What if you went in the back door?

Took it in the hand so to speak ?

AARRRGH · 18-12-2007 11:47PM

oleras wrote: »

Took it in the hand so to speak ?

Those kind of jobs can really suck.

Laslo · 19-12-2007 12:02AM

dublindude wrote: »

Regarding the lack of respect comment... just because you think prostitution is wrong or wouldn't be a prostitute doesn't mean ****.

I don't think not having respect for prostitutes has anything to do with thinking that prostitution is wrong. It's more that prostitutes are having sex with someone they might not normally have sex with/might not be attracted to in exchange for money. Having sex with someone you don't find attractive in exchange for money demonstrates a considerable lack of self respect. If you don't have respect for yourself, it's unlikely that other people will have respect for you.

AARRRGH · 19-12-2007 12:09AM

No. You see, you only think that way because that's how you value sex. This is the problem everyone makes regarding prostitution. They project their own morals onto the prostitute. Just because you associate self respect with sex does not mean the prostitute does. The reality is she is making a few thousand per week for doing very little (as far as she is concerned), and is choosing to do so.

I know a few prostitutes (I used to write about the Irish sex industry) and they have just as much self respect as the average girl.

EDIT: I should add most prostitutes don't like their job, but they do see it as a job. They don't see it as degrading themselves.

MagicMarker · 19-12-2007 12:12AM

Laslo wrote: »

I don't think not having respect for prostitutes has anything to do with thinking that prostitution is wrong. It's more that prostitutes are having sex with someone they might not normally have sex with/might not be attracted to in exchange for money. Having sex with someone you don't find attractive in exchange for money demonstrates a considerable lack of self respect. If you don't have respect for yourself, it's unlikely that other people will have respect for you.

I once had to clean up after someone who shít on the floor in Burger King (yes I worked there at the time!!), and do you know what? I didn't enjoy it what so ever!! In fact, if I hadn't have worked there at the time, I don't think I would have done it in the first place!!!

I've lost all self respect for myself now:(

Damn you!!!

The Queen · 19-12-2007 12:30AM

dublindude wrote: »

No. You see, you only think that way because that's how you value sex. This is the problem everyone makes regarding prostitution. They project their own morals onto the prostitute. Just because you associate self respect with sex does not mean the prostitute does. The reality is she is making a few thousand per week for doing very little (as far as she is concerned), and is choosing to do so.

I know a few prostitutes (I used to write about the Irish sex industry) and they have just as much self respect as the average girl.

EDIT: I should add most prostitutes don't like their job, but they do see it as a job. They don't see it as degrading themselves.

+ 1

In fairness.... getting paid to have sex? Be pleasured?! Awesome. Only awesome if with someone you're attracted to though. Otherwise, I imagine it's just like a regular job! Don't really wanna do it, but do cause it's yer job!

If it was your job though, you could decline whoever you want. But the chances are good lookin guys don't need hookers.... hmmmm...

GerryRyan · 19-12-2007 12:37AM

Somewhere in the North Wesht - possibly one of the islands. Inis Mor?

Laslo · 19-12-2007 12:40AM

dublindude wrote: »

No.

Eh, yes.

dublindude wrote: »

You see, you only think that way because that's how you value sex. This is the problem everyone makes regarding prostitution. They project their own morals onto the prostitute.

It has nothing to do with morals and I'm not projecting anything onto anyone - if you'll excuse the pun. I just think that having sex with someone you're not attracted to in exchange for money is demeaning. I'm pretty sure most prostitutes feel the same way deep down TBH.

dublindude wrote: »

Just because you associate self respect with sex does not mean the prostitute does.

I'm sorry, but that's a stupid thing to say. Are you saying that there's nothing wrong with having sex with someone that you find physically repulsive in exchange for money if it's 'your job'?

I'm not saying that I have a major problem with prostitutes. I do think it should be legalised, regulated and that the girls should be protected. However, I would look down on a girl who was involved in prostitution when she could quite easily get a minimum wage job and work hard to build a normal career for herself. Would you be happy if you had a daughter and she chose to go on the game as a career path? I didn't think so.

Dave! · 19-12-2007 01:11AM

Laslo do you feel the same way about masseuses/masseurs? They touch people in an intimate way to give them pleasure (as well as relax them). They're probably not attracted to most of the people they massage. Is that demeaning also?

I gather not -- and that's because you obviously DO have some sort of hang-up about the genitalia, which results in you affording them emotional importance. It's nothing new, people have had a 'taboo' relationship with genitalia for centuries (see the number of virgin births and immaculate conceptions in religion for example), and they (you in this case) project their own emotional baggage onto other people.

Not everyone shares your opinions however. Your bits and pieces are just another part of your anatomy which can be used in whatever way you so choose.

NotWormBoy · 19-12-2007 01:34AM

Laslo wrote: »

I'm sorry, but that's a stupid thing to say. Are you saying that there's nothing wrong with having sex with someone that you find physically repulsive in exchange for money if it's 'your job'?

I'm not saying that I have a major problem with prostitutes. I do think it should be legalised, regulated and that the girls should be protected. However, I would look down on a girl who was involved in prostitution when she could quite easily get a minimum wage job and work hard to build a normal career for herself. Would you be happy if you had a daughter and she chose to go on the game as a career path? I didn't think so.

I've sold food to people I don't like. I've sold shoes to people I don't like. I've fixed computers for people I don't like. I didn't like them, but thats the job I was being paid to do. I don't see sex as any different than any other service. And neither do prostitutes. Obviously you do, fair enough.

So you'd have less respect for someone who was a prostitute and make a few thousand a week for three nights work and had the rest of the time to do what they wanted or someone who worked a minimum wage job six nights a week and barely scraped three hundred?

I know which job I'd rather.

As for the daughter question, I don't have any. I have a sister. And if she decided to do the same and it was a regulated protected environment where she had a veto, then I'd say no problem, go for it.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 19-12-2007 01:37AM

Hagar wrote: »

If it was legalised there would be 21% VAT at point of entry.

And if you make a deposit?

patrickc · 19-12-2007 01:37AM

I'll be there pimp whereever they set up 70% to me;)

Laslo · 19-12-2007 02:03AM

DaveMcG wrote: »

Laslo do you feel the same way about masseuses/masseurs? They touch people in an intimate way to give them pleasure (as well as relax them). They're probably not attracted to most of the people they massage. Is that demeaning also?

If you had a daughter, would you mind her being a prostitute?

Laslo · 19-12-2007 02:04AM

NotWormBoy wrote: »

I don't see sex as any different than any other service. And neither do prostitutes. Obviously you do, fair enough.

If you had a daughter, would you mind her being a prostitute?

Pigman II · 19-12-2007 02:17AM

kickoutthejams wrote: »

I've often heard prostitution referred to as the oldest job in the world.

I always wondered where the hell the men got the money to pay for it.

Universe designing.

Sangre · 19-12-2007 02:46AM

Laslo wrote: »

I'm sorry, but that's a stupid thing to say. Are you saying that there's nothing wrong with having sex with someone that you find physically repulsive in exchange for money if it's 'your job'?

Is there something equally wrong with an actor touching, stroking or kissing actress he is repulsed by? Is it just as wrong for him to pretend he has feelings for her for the pleasure of the audience?

I think so. The fact its his job is no excuse.

slipss · 19-12-2007 02:58AM

Laslo wrote: »

If you had a daughter, would you mind her being a prostitute?

I think its fair to presume the awnser to all three questions.....or the awnser to the same questions three times would be yes, they would mind. If I had a daughter I wouldn't want her to be a prostitute, I also wouldn't want her to be a sewer maintanence worker, soldier, coal miner, deep sea crab fisher or firefighter, purely because there are safer, easier and better paid jobs available.

slipss · 19-12-2007 03:03AM

Laslo wrote: »

I'm sorry, but that's a stupid thing to say. Are you saying that there's nothing wrong with having sex with someone that you find physically repulsive in exchange for money if it's 'your job'?
.

How is it stupid. Is it massively different to being overly nice to extremely rude dislikable people you would normally tell to fukk off because you are a PA or sales rep. Or to (as someone said) cleaning up human excrement because its your job, you don't particuarly like doing it, you may find it demeaning and disgusting, but its your job, so you do it.

Laslo · 19-12-2007 03:13AM

slipss wrote: »

Is it massively different to being overly nice to extremely rude dislikable people you would normally tell to fukk off because you are a PA or sales rep.

Yes. :rolleyes:

BraziliaNZ · 19-12-2007 03:17AM

it's legal here in NZ, and regulated etc. It really doesn't cause any problems here, and the girls work in safe, clean environments. The point about the difference between a masseuse and a hooker is spot on, it's only when genetalia get involved that the "moralists" start to freak out.
Some men just can never get laid, ever. Why would you want to deny them the right to have sex for money?
I have used them here and there in the past, and I'd consider myself a good looking guy, but we all go through long phases of not getting laid, or not wanting to be in a relationship, and I've always found it hard to have a so-called "f*ck buddy" because women usually get emotionally attached and then I feel bad for messing them about.

MagicMarker · 19-12-2007 03:37AM

If i were guaranteed good quality clean sex with a hot eastern european chick i'd definitely take up that offer. And i'm a sexy fúcker!!!

slipss · 19-12-2007 03:40AM

Laslo wrote: »

Yes. :rolleyes:

Oh is it?:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
See I've posted in afterhours before aswell, so I know the old trick of if you use the little rolling his eyes smiley then you instantly win an argument without having to back it up with any actual opinions :rolleyes::rolleyes: (Apparently I am limited to using 15 smileys per message or otherwise believe me there would be a whole lot more of them, just to make my point extra specially valid and irrefutable).

Laslo · 19-12-2007 03:50AM

slipss wrote: »

Oh is it?:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
See I've posted in afterhours before aswell so I know the old trick of if you use the little rolling his eyes smiley then you instantly win an argument without having to back it up with any actual opinions :rolleyes::rolleyes: A tried and tested debating technique. (Apparently I am limited to using 15 smileys per message or otherwise believe me there would be a whole lot more of them, just to make my point extra specially valid and irrefutable).

Sorry you're right, I retract my last statement. There's no difference between a PA taking stick from rude clients and a prostitute having sex with someone they find repulsive. The only difference is the genetalia thing. I'll stop being so moralist.

Sangre · 19-12-2007 03:50AM

Laslo wrote: »

Yes. :rolleyes:

Well argued.

MagicMarker · 19-12-2007 03:51AM

Laslo wrote: »

Sorry you're right, I retract my last statement. There's no difference between a PA taking stick from rude clients and a prostitute having sex with someone they find repulsive. The only difference is the genetalia thing. I'll stop being so moralist.

Good stuff.

19-12-2007 03:54AM

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

The point about the difference between a masseuse and a hooker is spot on, it's only when genetalia get involved that the "moralists" start to freak out.

So your gay because you like it when Sven gives you a massage.

Sangre · 19-12-2007 03:57AM

Laslo wrote: »

Sorry you're right, I retract my last statement. There's no difference between a PA taking stick from rude clients and a prostitute having sex with someone they find repulsive. The only difference is the genetalia thing. I'll stop being so moralist.

Can you give a reason they're different aside from a religious reason?

Should prostitution be legalised in Ireland or at least one county ?

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