Should prostitution be legalised in Ireland or at least one county ?

lucozader

Maby somewhere like leitrum, it would bring much needed jobs to the area

WindSock

Yes.

Hagar

I once rode a woman from Leitrim. I would have been quicker getting the bus.

Dragan

Well if Helen Mirren thinks its a good idea then i'm all for it.

Mossy Monk

I don't see what the problem is with prostitution. It is like some people want to make sex a taboo subject.

MagicMarker

Yeah it should be legalized.. No reason for it not to be tbh.

ScumLord

Is prostitution actually illegal in Ireland?

MagicMarker

ScumLord wrote: »

Is prostitution actually illegal in Ireland?

Yes.

Wait... is it?

Hagar

If it was legalised there would be 21% VAT at point of entry.

Rhyme

Hagar wrote: »

If it was legalised there would be 21% VAT at point of entry.

Any subsequent fees regarding quality?

Also, which county?

MagicMarker

Plus if it were legalized then there would have to be a governing body. Like the sexual regulators or something.

All women must meet minimum standards of fúckability.

phasers

make it legal in Tallaght


just Tallaght

MagicMarker

phasers wrote: »

make it legal in Tallaght


just Tallaght

I live in Tallaght...... I concur

Hagar

Let Ryanair run it as a franchise.

1c a ride.
Checking in your sack €5.
Feeling up charge €5
Putting it in charge an extra €1.
Taking it out charge an extra €1.
Putting it in again charge an extra €1
You get the picture...

One thing though, when you deal with Ryanair you know you're in for a good rogering.

Rhyme

Hagar wrote: »

Let Ryanair run it as a franchise.

1c a ride.
Checking in your sack €5.
Feeling up charge €5
Putting it in charge an extra €1.
Taking it out charge an extra €1.
Putting it in again charge an extra €1
You get the picture...

One thing though, when you deal with Ryanair you know you're in for a good rogering.

I'm sure they can charge you for being overweight too.

ScumLord

MagicMarker wrote: »

Yes.

Wait... is it?

Wasn't there some big prostitution scandal years ago and the cops basically said that there's no law stopping someone giving another person a gift (of money) for sex. Pimping and whore houses are illegal but getting payed for sex isn't.

eirebhoy

I it was legalised the prices would quicky fall below the likes of Prague (for tourists). No brainer so.

ScumLord wrote: »

Wasn't there some big prostitution scandal years ago and the cops basically said that there's no law stopping someone giving another person a gift (of money) for sex. Pimping and whore houses are illegal but getting payed for sex isn't.

Yeah, there's no law against Escort services.

bangersandmash

ScumLord wrote: »

Wasn't there some big prostitution scandal years ago and the cops basically said that there's no law stopping someone giving another person a gift (of money) for sex. Pimping and whore houses are illegal but getting payed for sex isn't.

i think "living on the proceeds of prostitution" is also a crime.

Dave!

Can't think of any reason for it not to be legal... think the main argument is that it would result in trafficking, or something (even though that happens already).

George Carlin put it best:

Why should prostitution be illegal. Selling is legal. F*cking is legal. Why isn't selling f*cking legal? You know, why should it be illegal to sell something that's perfectly legal to give away. I can't follow the logic on that at all. Of all the things you can do to a person, giving someone an orgasm is hardly the worst thing in the world. In the army they give you a medal for spraying napalm on people. Civilian life, you go to jail for giving someone an orgasm. Maybe I'm not supposed to understand it.

MagicMarker

DaveMcG wrote: »

Can't think of any reason for it not to be legal... think the main argument is that it would result in trafficking, or something (even though that happens already).

George Carlin put it best:

Why should prostitution be illegal. Selling is legal. F*cking is legal. Why isn't selling f*cking legal? You know, why should it be illegal to sell something that's perfectly legal to give away. I can't follow the logic on that at all. Of all the things you can do to a person, giving someone an orgasm is hardly the worst thing in the world. In the army they give you a medal for spraying napalm on people. Civilian life, you go to jail for giving someone an orgasm. Maybe I'm not supposed to understand it.

Well put.

stepbar

lucozader wrote: »

Maby somewhere like leitrum, it would bring much needed jobs to the area

Last time I checked, "leitrum" was spelled "Leitrim" :rolleyes:

Sir, you are a ...... beginning with "t" and ending with "r"......... :rolleyes:

ArphaRima

Yeah I'd be in favour of this. But only in recognised and relatively remote "red light" areas.

It might even help curb Irelands sexual assault rate.

MLE

Dont see the need for prostitution myself. As if guys got good at the mating game ( flirting, empressing a lady etc) they wouldn't have to pay for it.

Are people who use prostitutes just lazy.

Its like buying a trophy rather than winning it.

Rhyme

MLE wrote: »

Dont see the need for prostitution myself. As if guys got good at the mating game ( flirting, empressing a lady etc) they wouldn't have to pay for it.

Are people who use prostitutes just lazy.

Its like buying a trophy rather than winning it.

I'd imagine it's more about the convenience.

ArphaRima

Yeah but there are people out there who just will never score. EVER. (Too old, too ugly, too weird,.. whatever)

For their sake.

I spent a few years in SE Asia. I always disliked the prostitutes. Rarely pitied them. (never used their services)

They are the lazy ones. It isnt a hard life at all. There were people out working in rice fields in small villages, bordering on poverty. These girls took the easy option. For hanging around in bars, drinking and playing with their mobile phones, they get a life of fancy motorbikes, jewelry and an apartment.

All they had to do was lose their self respect and the respect of their peers.

MagicMarker

MLE wrote: »

Dont see the need for prostitution myself. As if guys got good at the mating game ( flirting, empressing a lady etc) they wouldn't have to pay for it.

Are people who use prostitutes just lazy.

Its like buying a trophy rather than winning it.

Spoken like a true woman.

Jesus Wept

Dragan wrote: »

Well if Helen Mirren thinks its a good idea then i'm all for it.

Is she on the game?

NotWormBoy

fluffer wrote: »

All they had to do was lose their self respect and the respect of their peers.

If a woman wants to sell her body for money, whats that got to do with respect? If it is truly her choice (and I fully acknowledge that there are multitudes out there for whom prostitution is not a choice but a necessity) then respect has nothing to do with it. Just taking solely the women who don't need or aren't forced to sell their bodies to men... its a trade/skill like any other. Some people are good at football. Some are good at sex. (I'm good at neither but thats here nor there :-) ). Some are highly desirable and have the open-mindedness to make a living out of it. So long as they're careful, more power to them I say.

I doubt I'd ever "use" a prostitute, but I don't eat pizza's either. Doesn't mean I think less of those that make pizza's for a living.

oleras

I think if i could i would prostitute myself............although, there is a good chance i could end up oweing money.......:(

AARRRGH

Prostitution is already legal.

It's illegal to -

Manage a prostitute (pimp)
Advertise prostitution
Solicit on the street

If a girl is a prostitute, on her own, in her apartment, and doesn't advertise in Irish publications, it is perfectly legal.

Regarding the lack of respect comment... just because you think prostitution is wrong or wouldn't be a prostitute doesn't mean ****. If a girl wants to have sex for money, that is her choice and should be respected. I think religion is nuts but I wouldn't dare say we should ban it...

Lockstep

I've often heard prostitution referred to as the oldest job in the world.

I always wondered where the hell the men got the money to pay for it.

AARRRGH

kickoutthejams wrote: »

I always wondered where the hell the men got the money to pay for it.

The clients are generally seperated or divorced men 40+. They have lots of money and very little to spend it on...

Earthhorse

Yeah, they should make it legal like you say but just in the one county, and they should rotate which county that is on a daily basis by mean's of a draw, similar to the Lotto, but not inform the public of the result of said draw until midnight.

Sex is more exciting when it's dangerous.

Terry

Hagar wrote: »

If it was legalised there would be 21% VAT at point of entry.

What if you went in the back door?

oleras

Terry wrote: »

What if you went in the back door?

Took it in the hand so to speak ?

AARRRGH

oleras wrote: »

Took it in the hand so to speak ?

Those kind of jobs can really suck.

Laslo

dublindude wrote: »

Regarding the lack of respect comment... just because you think prostitution is wrong or wouldn't be a prostitute doesn't mean ****.

I don't think not having respect for prostitutes has anything to do with thinking that prostitution is wrong. It's more that prostitutes are having sex with someone they might not normally have sex with/might not be attracted to in exchange for money. Having sex with someone you don't find attractive in exchange for money demonstrates a considerable lack of self respect. If you don't have respect for yourself, it's unlikely that other people will have respect for you.

AARRRGH

No. You see, you only think that way because that's how you value sex. This is the problem everyone makes regarding prostitution. They project their own morals onto the prostitute. Just because you associate self respect with sex does not mean the prostitute does. The reality is she is making a few thousand per week for doing very little (as far as she is concerned), and is choosing to do so.

I know a few prostitutes (I used to write about the Irish sex industry) and they have just as much self respect as the average girl.

EDIT: I should add most prostitutes don't like their job, but they do see it as a job. They don't see it as degrading themselves.

MagicMarker

Laslo wrote: »

I don't think not having respect for prostitutes has anything to do with thinking that prostitution is wrong. It's more that prostitutes are having sex with someone they might not normally have sex with/might not be attracted to in exchange for money. Having sex with someone you don't find attractive in exchange for money demonstrates a considerable lack of self respect. If you don't have respect for yourself, it's unlikely that other people will have respect for you.

I once had to clean up after someone who shít on the floor in Burger King (yes I worked there at the time!!), and do you know what? I didn't enjoy it what so ever!! In fact, if I hadn't have worked there at the time, I don't think I would have done it in the first place!!!

I've lost all self respect for myself now:(

Damn you!!!

The Queen

dublindude wrote: »

No. You see, you only think that way because that's how you value sex. This is the problem everyone makes regarding prostitution. They project their own morals onto the prostitute. Just because you associate self respect with sex does not mean the prostitute does. The reality is she is making a few thousand per week for doing very little (as far as she is concerned), and is choosing to do so.

I know a few prostitutes (I used to write about the Irish sex industry) and they have just as much self respect as the average girl.

EDIT: I should add most prostitutes don't like their job, but they do see it as a job. They don't see it as degrading themselves.

+ 1

In fairness.... getting paid to have sex? Be pleasured?! Awesome. Only awesome if with someone you're attracted to though. Otherwise, I imagine it's just like a regular job! Don't really wanna do it, but do cause it's yer job!

If it was your job though, you could decline whoever you want. But the chances are good lookin guys don't need hookers.... hmmmm...

GerryRyan

Somewhere in the North Wesht - possibly one of the islands. Inis Mor?

Laslo

dublindude wrote: »

No.

Eh, yes.

dublindude wrote: »

You see, you only think that way because that's how you value sex. This is the problem everyone makes regarding prostitution. They project their own morals onto the prostitute.

It has nothing to do with morals and I'm not projecting anything onto anyone - if you'll excuse the pun. I just think that having sex with someone you're not attracted to in exchange for money is demeaning. I'm pretty sure most prostitutes feel the same way deep down TBH.

dublindude wrote: »

Just because you associate self respect with sex does not mean the prostitute does.

I'm sorry, but that's a stupid thing to say. Are you saying that there's nothing wrong with having sex with someone that you find physically repulsive in exchange for money if it's 'your job'?

I'm not saying that I have a major problem with prostitutes. I do think it should be legalised, regulated and that the girls should be protected. However, I would look down on a girl who was involved in prostitution when she could quite easily get a minimum wage job and work hard to build a normal career for herself. Would you be happy if you had a daughter and she chose to go on the game as a career path? I didn't think so.

Dave!

Laslo do you feel the same way about masseuses/masseurs? They touch people in an intimate way to give them pleasure (as well as relax them). They're probably not attracted to most of the people they massage. Is that demeaning also?

I gather not -- and that's because you obviously DO have some sort of hang-up about the genitalia, which results in you affording them emotional importance. It's nothing new, people have had a 'taboo' relationship with genitalia for centuries (see the number of virgin births and immaculate conceptions in religion for example), and they (you in this case) project their own emotional baggage onto other people.

Not everyone shares your opinions however. Your bits and pieces are just another part of your anatomy which can be used in whatever way you so choose.

NotWormBoy

Laslo wrote: »

I'm sorry, but that's a stupid thing to say. Are you saying that there's nothing wrong with having sex with someone that you find physically repulsive in exchange for money if it's 'your job'?

I'm not saying that I have a major problem with prostitutes. I do think it should be legalised, regulated and that the girls should be protected. However, I would look down on a girl who was involved in prostitution when she could quite easily get a minimum wage job and work hard to build a normal career for herself. Would you be happy if you had a daughter and she chose to go on the game as a career path? I didn't think so.

I've sold food to people I don't like. I've sold shoes to people I don't like. I've fixed computers for people I don't like. I didn't like them, but thats the job I was being paid to do. I don't see sex as any different than any other service. And neither do prostitutes. Obviously you do, fair enough.

So you'd have less respect for someone who was a prostitute and make a few thousand a week for three nights work and had the rest of the time to do what they wanted or someone who worked a minimum wage job six nights a week and barely scraped three hundred?

I know which job I'd rather.

As for the daughter question, I don't have any. I have a sister. And if she decided to do the same and it was a regulated protected environment where she had a veto, then I'd say no problem, go for it.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Hagar wrote: »

If it was legalised there would be 21% VAT at point of entry.

And if you make a deposit?

patrickc

I'll be there pimp whereever they set up 70% to me;)

Laslo

DaveMcG wrote: »

Laslo do you feel the same way about masseuses/masseurs? They touch people in an intimate way to give them pleasure (as well as relax them). They're probably not attracted to most of the people they massage. Is that demeaning also?

If you had a daughter, would you mind her being a prostitute?

Laslo

NotWormBoy wrote: »

I don't see sex as any different than any other service. And neither do prostitutes. Obviously you do, fair enough.

If you had a daughter, would you mind her being a prostitute?

Pigman II

kickoutthejams wrote: »

I've often heard prostitution referred to as the oldest job in the world.

I always wondered where the hell the men got the money to pay for it.

Universe designing.

Sangre

Laslo wrote: »

I'm sorry, but that's a stupid thing to say. Are you saying that there's nothing wrong with having sex with someone that you find physically repulsive in exchange for money if it's 'your job'?

Is there something equally wrong with an actor touching, stroking or kissing actress he is repulsed by? Is it just as wrong for him to pretend he has feelings for her for the pleasure of the audience?

I think so. The fact its his job is no excuse.

slipss

Laslo wrote: »

If you had a daughter, would you mind her being a prostitute?

I think its fair to presume the awnser to all three questions.....or the awnser to the same questions three times would be yes, they would mind. If I had a daughter I wouldn't want her to be a prostitute, I also wouldn't want her to be a sewer maintanence worker, soldier, coal miner, deep sea crab fisher or firefighter, purely because there are safer, easier and better paid jobs available.