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666 Mark of the Beast.

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  • #62
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    SubjectSean wrote: »
    If I get chipped in my left hand or somewhere else other than my right hand or forehead then will I still be damned? What about left handed people or people with long fringes? What will they do I wonder, or will the Divvil make everybody have haircuts before he has 'em chipped? Just curious.
    I would not like to put God to the test on this matter. There is no mention any specific body parts if you read further in Chapter 14. "And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name." Revelation 14:9-11

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wszslxt9NLM (With the appropriate Iron Maiden soundtrack).


  • #63
    SubjectSean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭SubjectSean


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I would not like to put God to the test on this matter. There is no mention any specific body parts if you read further in Chapter 14. "And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name." Revelation 14:9-11

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wszslxt9NLM (With an Maiden theme).

    There's loads of room for maneuver here you can just get somebody to receive the mark for you and then just take 'em shopping with you. That way you'll still be able to get your groceries and avoid burning in hell. Hard luck for the sucker who gets your mark for you I know, but if you choose somebody who's already got one it's really not so bad. This is my reccomended course of action anyway, what do you think?


  • #64
    Fanny Cradock
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    What do I think?

    With witty retorts like that you should start a career in stand-up.


  • #65
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Only noticed this post a few days ago and meant to reply.
    Run_to_da_hills wrote:
    Yoo cannot "sell a belief", "the gift of God is eternal life, through Jesus Christ" (Romans 6vs23) and its up to anyone to personally accept it or reject salvation.'
    Preachers, priests and churches worldwide are in the business of selling beliefs and believers are purchasing, or perhaps more politely, investing in them. You can gloss it by referring to it as evangelization and the act of accepting this or that, but it doesn't change the nature of the cultural sale that's going on.
    Run_to_da_hills wrote:
    Anyone who has any sort of knowledge of computers knows that any form of incryption will be cracked or cloned in a matter of time through a process known as reverse engineering.
    It's completely off-forum topic, but as this is the area I've worked in for the last ten years and one in which I have some experience, I feel I should point out that (a) chip cards are exceedingly difficult to reverse engineer without the facilities of a well-staffed engineering laboratory and even if you manage to do it you will have compromised a single card at huge expense; (b) the system is designed to be able to deal with security compromises and (c) reverse engineering is of fairly limited use when the standards which govern how chip cards work are freely available.

    The basic underlying smartcard engineering standards are here, and you can freely download the complete security and operations' standards here.


  • #66
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    robindch wrote: »
    I've worked in for the last ten years and one in which I have some experience, I feel I should point out that (a) chip cards are exceedingly difficult to reverse engineer without the facilities of a well-staffed engineering laboratory and even if you manage to do it you will have compromised a single card at huge expense; (b) the system is designed to be able to deal with security compromises and (c) reverse engineering is of fairly limited use when the standards which govern how chip cards work are freely available.

    The basic underlying smartcard engineering standards are here, and you can freely download the complete security and operations' standards here.
    They said the same about all the previous security measures, The biometric passport was cracked days after it was in circulation. http://www.guardian.co.uk/idcards/story/0,,1950229,00.html This says it all. http://www.brookson.com/gsm/cardclone.pdf


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  • #67
    Zombrex
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    They said the same about all the previous security measures, The biometric passport was cracked days after it was in circulation. http://www.guardian.co.uk/idcards/story/0,,1950229,00.html
    This says it all. http://www.brookson.com/gsm/cardclone.pdf

    They weren't cracked they were cloned because the idiots who made it used a key generated by data on the cards themselves Cryptography 101 TBH. Its like giving out your PGP private key with encrypted email and then wondering why everyone can read your email and saying PGP is cr*p

    I must say this is a fascinating thread for someone who works a bit in computer security.

    Firstly RTDH you seem to be saying that 666 is in bar codes. Despite this not actually being true, you then start taking about RFID tags being used on cards for automatic purchases.

    That great and all, but RFID tags are actually very little to do with bar codes. You seem to be linking the two quite different technologies because they can be used in the purchase of goods.

    So you haven't got the name or mark of the beast onto the RFID tag. Without that there is nothing to link RFID tags to Revelations at all, particularly because a person would never embed an RFID into their hand, even for tracking purposes, as the body would reject it.


  • #68
    robindch
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    Wicknight's already answered the biometric passport question.
    rtdh wrote:
    http://www.brookson.com/gsm/cardclone.pdf
    Seems to be a SIM card for a phone.

    Whereas we were talking about the chip'n'pin (EMV) cards that you use at ATM's and POS devices.

    As currently implemented, EMV is secure while SIM cards are not.


  • #69
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Wicknight wrote: »
    They weren't cracked they were cloned because the idiots who made it used a key generated by data on the cards themselves Cryptography 101 TBH.

    I must say this is a fascinating thread for someone who works a bit in computer security.
    The number 666 has been secretly encoded in both the UPC and EAN barcode since its first appearance at a supermarket in Ohio. The first product to have a bar code included was a packet of Wrigley's on a packet of Wriggleys Chewing gum in 1974.
    Wicknight wrote: »
    Firstly RTDH you seem to be saying that 666 is in bar codes. Despite this not actually being true,
    I am quite surprised to hear this from someone who says he has worked at digital security for 10 years, You would want to be pretty dumb at basic binary mathematics not to be able to figure out these hidden numbers in the UPC/EAN codes. The Internet is saturated with information on this subject both from religious and secular sources. http://www.av1611.org/666/barcode.html
    Wicknight wrote: »
    you then start taking about RFID tags being used on cards for automatic purchases.
    Yes because that is the way things are going. Bar codes are old hat, they are unreliable, (How many times have you paged assistance at a self service check out?). They also require line of sight to work effectively, they are offer absolutly no security against theft at POS, (Point of sale). RFID has the advantage of multiple scanning, also the information on individual each product can be up dated such as expiry dates etc.The only factor that is holding RFID back over barcoding is its greater cost implications, wait and see, this will soon change.

    The following are all recent advertisements from IBM premoting RFID over barcoding in supermarkets.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZYY85IyDNM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDyqhcy1L-0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llnUJkH0Mlc
    Wicknight wrote: »
    That great and all, but RFID tags are actually very little to do with bar codes. You seem to be linking the two quite different technologies because they can be used in the purchase of goods.
    One is just a progression to the next just as the steam engine was the predessor to the internal combustion engine.
    Wicknight wrote: »
    So you haven't got the name or mark of the beast onto the RFID tag. Without that there is nothing to link RFID tags to Revelations at all, particularly because a person would never embed an RFID into their hand, even for tracking purposes, as the body would reject it.
    Whether or not the coding in this mark is visible to the eye or not, scripture has fortold that a time will come when you cannot "buy or sell" without a code in the body associated with this number. I think by now the the cat has been let out of the bag to the world on this subject. Christians are warned not to take the mark.


  • #70
    Ciaran500
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    The number 666 has been secretly encoded in both the UPC and EAN barcode since its first appearance at a supermarket in Ohio. The first product to have a bar code included was a packet of Wrigley's on a packet of Wriggleys Chewing gum in 1974.
    Not very secret if the method of reading the bar codes is well known and very simple...


  • #71
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Ciaran500 wrote: »
    Not very secret if the method of reading the bar codes is well known and very simple.
    It took several years for this code to be cracked after iit came out. I believe the coding was computer generated and not intentional to contain his number.


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  • #72
    robindch
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    rtdh wrote:
    You would want to be pretty dumb at basic binary mathematics not to be able to figure out these hidden numbers in the UPC/EAN codes. [...] Mary Stewart Relph was probably the first to publicize the matter in a book written in 1982.
    Please see this post from July where I explained, pretty clearly I thought, that you and Relfe -- you're still misspelling her name -- are making a very simple error in reading codes as you do.

    Relfe's work is reviewed here by an Amazon reviewer. My own opinion of her is the same (and I have read her).


  • #73
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    robindch wrote: »
    Please see this post from July where I explained, pretty clearly I thought, that you and Relfe -- you're still misspelling her name -- are making a very simple error in reading codes as you do.

    Relfe's work is reviewed here by an Amazon reviewer. My own opinion of her is the same (and I have read her).
    Regarding technology she was away ahead of time, she even talked about technology such as hand scanners that were unheard of back in 1982. Her cracking of the UPC code was on right on target. She believed the barcode was to be the mark, little did she know what was just around the corner. I would agree with you that much of this book was just padding some of which had little or no foundation. It also contained a blasphemous image of a long haired Christ on page 87.


  • #74
    Zombrex
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    The number 666 has been secretly encoded in both the UPC and EAN barcode since its first appearance at a supermarket in Ohio. The first product to have a bar code included was a packet of Wrigley's on a packet of Wriggleys Chewing gum in 1974.
    That isn't true, as has been explained to you.

    The two thin lines at the start, middle and end of the bar code don't represent "6". They don't in fact represent anything, they are used to separate out the different content. If you scan a bar code you don't get 6xxx6xxxx6 back.

    They wouldn't even represent 6 if found in the main bar code section.

    For them to be a "6" as understood by the system they would have to be black line, white space, black line, white space, white space, white pace, white pace.

    "|.|...." rather than "|.|" (where the . represents a white space)

    You just have a black line, white space, black line.

    You are missing the white spaces at the end, and as such the code would not come out as a "6". Besides numbers couldn't come in the center or edges of the bar code because those are reserved spaces.

    Its like seen a "|" in a sign and saying "that must representation a D" just because you have the left edge.
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I am quite surprised to hear this from someone who says he has worked at digital security for 10 years, You would want to be pretty dumb at basic binary mathematics not to be able to figure out these hidden numbers in the UPC/EAN codes.

    Well I didn't say I worked in digital security for 10 years, but anyway, these "hidden numbers" are not hidden in UPC codes.

    For a start a "hidden number" in a bar code is an oxymoron. You can't by definition have a hidden number in a bar code, because a bar code is a visual representation of a string of numbers. If the number was hidden it wouldn't be visualized. You could claim there are an infinite number of hidden numbers in a bar code if you like, the only numbers actually in a bar code are not hidden, but definition, otherwise they wouldn't be in the code.

    Secondly as explained above the "numbers" you claim translate to "6" don't actually translate to "6" In a UPC bar code a 6 is represented by black line, white space, black line, white space white space white space white space You just have black line, white space, black line.
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    The Internet is saturated with information on this subject both from religious and secular sources. http://www.av1611.org/666/barcode.html
    The internet amazingly also contains the detailed information on how the bar code encoding system works, and what "6" is actually encoded as. Perhaps you should read that first.

    Look at a bar code and look at the "6", you will see a large white space following it. That is not simply empty space, that is part of the encoding. Without this white space the number does not translate to a 6.
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    One is just a progression to the next just as the steam engine was the predessor to the internal combustion engine.

    Yes, but RFID tags don't have the mark of the beast on them (neither did bar codes, but RFID certainly don't).

    So again, how are you linking RFID tags to Revelations?
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Whether or not the coding in this mark is visible to the eye or not, scripture has fortold that a time will come when you cannot "buy or sell" without a code in the body associated with this number.

    A number which isn't found in RFID technology. So then surely this clearly isn't what Revelation is talking about.

    Someone using RFID technology to purchase something in a super market doesn't have the mark of the beast either on them or on their RFID card. You seem to be saying that it was on bar codes (which isn't true, but anyway). But bar codes are nothing to do with RFID cards, so the connection is not there.


  • #75
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Wicknight wrote: »
    That isn't true, as has been explained to you.

    The two thin lines at the start, middle and end of the bar code don't represent "6". They don't in fact represent anything, they are used to separate out the different content. If you scan a bar code you don't get 6xxx6xxxx6 back.
    These non functional numbers are obviously not going to appear in public as they are incorporated into the guard and central bars of every single code. http://www.indexoftheweb.com/Patriot/TheMark.htm
    Wicknight wrote: »
    For a start a "hidden number" in a bar code is an oxymoron. You can't by definition have a hidden number in a bar code, because a bar code is a visual representation of a string of numbers. If the number was hidden it wouldn't be visualized. You could claim there are an infinite number of hidden numbers in a bar code if you like, the only numbers actually in a bar code are not hidden, but definition, otherwise they wouldn't be in the code.
    The guard bars are common on all UPC/EAN code in the world, There is no need for them to show up in any scanner reading.
    Wicknight wrote: »
    Secondly as explained above the "numbers" you claim translate to "6" don't actually translate to "6" In a UPC bar code a 6 is represented by black line, white space, black line, white space white space white space white space You just have black line, white space, black line.
    I still think you should go back to school if you cannot figure out a basic problem in binary mathematics. http://www.indiana.edu/~atmat/units/barcodes/bar_r1.htm


  • #76
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    The number is obviously not going to appear in public as it is incorporated into the guard and central bars of every single code. http://www.indexoftheweb.com/Patriot/TheMark.htm

    Its not a "number" RTDH .. its two black lines.

    The only way you can get a number out of a bar code is through translation of the lines into binary into a decimal number. You have two black lines and a white space, a code that is not translated to "6" under any system.

    In decimal it is "101" which is 5 in decimal. That doesn't mean anything in the UPC code. The actual code for "6" is "101000" which is 80 in decimal. All numbers on a UPC bar code contain 7 binary digits. Without that you don't even have a number.

    Its like matching a 9 digit mobile number (087-876-5432) to someone because their mobile number contains a "65" as well. In fact it is far less than that because with bar codes you are talking about visual representations of number, and the guide lines are specifically designed to not match a number.

    So it would be like matching the "-" in a telephone number 087-876-5432 to the "-" part of the character "4" and saying that "-" really represents a 4 so the telephone number is "087487645432"

    So please find me the passage in the Bible where it says that the mark of the beast is two black lines :rolleyes:
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    The guard bars are common on all UPC/EAN code in the world, There is no need for them to show up in any scanner reading.

    Then they don't translate to anything They are guard bars.

    You are only saying they translate to 6 because they kinda sort of look similar to the lines that do actually translate to 6, despite the fact that they really don't because white space is used in the bar code as well.
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I still think you should go back to school if you cannot figure this one out
    And I think you should learn about a subject before you post on it.

    You might as well be saying that 999 is the mark of the beast because 9s sort of look like 6s when you hold them upside down.

    Or saying that 000 is the mark of the beast because 0s look like 6s if you chop the top of the 6 off

    Or saying that 888 is the mark of the beast because if you rub out a bit of the top circle in an 8 it looks like a 6

    I mean its nonsense.

    Two black lines with a white space are two lines with a space. For them to mean anything they have to translated using a translation code. And they don't translate to "6". Because they kinda sort of look like a code that does is irrelevant and pointless, as pointless as saying that an 8 kinda looks like a 6 if you just rub some bits out.

    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I am linking RFID tags to revelations 13 16to18 because it fits the exact description of what St John is talking about. ie a medium for buying and selling using a mark embedded in the human body.

    But RFID tags don't use "marks", on the human body or anywhere else. The key is in the name, "radio frequency"

    There are no marks or set of symbols with RFID tags, they are small electronic chips with a memory to hold data that respond wirelessly with this data when scanned with a RFID scanner.

    There is nothing visible with this system, nothing is scanned or read and there are no marks on anything.

    This is what it looks like

    rfid_tag_13MHz_113003.gif

    It is an electronic chip with solder around it to act as an antenna.
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Whether this secret number is hidden or not, I will not accept it.

    What number? There are no symbol coding with RFID tags. An RFID tag holds data in binary format on the chip. 1s and 0s


  • #77
    robindch
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    rtdh wrote:
    There is no need for them to show up in any scanner reading.
    They're not part of the scan -- they're guard bars to help the scanner synch up correctly. A bit like the lights on a runway, or the margins on a page of paper, they're there to guide something else. They are not part of the data encoded.

    If you read that page that you linked to, you'll see that 6 is "0101111" (left-side) or "1010000" (right-side) while the guard bars are "101".

    Like, are you seriously unable to see that "101" is different from "0101111" and "1010000"?


  • #78
    SubjectSean
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    It also contained a blasphemous image of a long haired Christ on page 87.

    You believe images are blasphemous or the long hair? Jesus, James, Peter and even Paul all took Nazarite vows, part of this involves not cutting your hair. Many think this is the reason they were known as Nazarenes, it is certainly the reason they had long hair. If you are basing what you say on Paul calling long hair on a man an abomination then that wasn't Paul writing that as he wore long hair himself. Jesus, John the Baptist, James and the whole of them were a bunch of long hairs. I have it from certain sources that James did not even wash.


  • #79
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    robindch wrote: »
    They're not part of the scan -- they're guard bars to help the scanner synch up correctly. A bit like the lights on a runway, or the margins on a page of paper, they're there to guide something else. They are not part of the data encoded.

    If you read that page that you linked to, you'll see that 6 is "0101111" (left-side) or "1010000" (right-side) while the guard bars are "101".

    Like, are you seriously unable to see that "101" is different from "0101111" and "1010000"?
    Yes they are "guard bars" or "guide bars" to look but when they are read by the scanner they are read as a part of the code itself. When a self service scanner fails to read a distorted barcode the checkout personell will only type in the visible numbers at the base of the code, she will ignore the guard bars. These guard access the code / product in question into a central database. That database contains information on every single commodity in the world that uses this code. (EAN European UPC America) When this code was introduced in the 70ies it was voluntary and was used as an aid for stock taking. Now it is an offense to market any product without it just as it is an offense to publih a book without the ISBN number.


  • #80
    Zombrex
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Yes they are "guard bars" or "guide bars" to look but when they are read by the scanner they are read as a part of the code itself.
    Of course they are, that is the point of a guide bar.

    They are markers so the scanner knows where it is as it is reading. They are built in checks, in the same way that a digital printing press will mark out the edge of the page for a cutting machine.

    What they aren't is representations of numbers, 6 or otherwise.
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    When a self service scanner fails to read a distorted barcode the checkout personell will only type in the visible numbers at the base of the code, she will ignore the guard bars.
    That is because the guide bars do not translate to a number

    Even if the check out person wanted to type in a number for the guide bars she wouldn't be able to because the guide bars don't translate to any number.
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Now it is an offense to market any product without it just as it is an offense to publih a book without the ISBN number.

    Well firstly that isn't true.

    Secondly none of that changes the fact that 666 is not hidden in bar codes.


  • #81
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    SubjectSean wrote: »
    You believe images are blasphemous or the long hair? Jesus, James, Peter and even Paul all took Nazarite vows, part of this involves not cutting your hair. Many think this is the reason they were known as Nazarenes, it is certainly the reason they had long hair. If you are basing what you say on Paul calling long hair on a man an abomination then that wasn't Paul writing that as he wore long hair himself. Jesus, John the Baptist, James and the whole of them were a bunch of long hairs. I have it from certain sources that James did not even wash.
    Having long hair or not it is a breach of the "word of God" to have any image of God/Christ. All images of God are an abomdonation. "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:" Exodus 20:4,

    "


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  • #82
    Black Swan
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    666? Would you live in a flat with that address? We had one in our old flat complex. It's upstairs too...


  • #83
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    All images are an abomdonation.

    Pretty sure that passage means that a person should not worship animals, not that no one should draw a picture of a bird. :rolleyes:

    Besides that is part of the old covenant and is not longer relevant since Jesus came. Which is why you aren't circumcised ... see PDN, I learnt something :)


  • #84
    SubjectSean
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Having long hair or not it is a breach of the "word of God" to have any image of God/Christ. All images are an abomdonation. "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:" Exodus 20:4,

    "

    I thought it was maybe that you had been misguided by pseudo-Paul about hair. That quote from Exodus bans a whole lot of things. Do you not watch TV & video?


  • #85
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Wicknight wrote: »
    Its not a "number" RTDH .. its two black lines.
    Its in fact three pairs of two thin black lines representing the "guard bars".
    Wicknight wrote: »
    The only way you can get a number out of a bar code is through translation of the lines into binary into a decimal number. You have two black lines and a white space, a code that is not translated to "6" under any system.
    I keep on repeating my self on this one but you are either blind or incapable of working out this simple mathematical problem.
    Wicknight wrote: »
    rfid_tag_13MHz_113003.gif
    It is an electronic chip with solder around it to act as an antenna.
    This is the type of RFID used on clothes and other products to deter thieves, they are prohibitavely expensive at anything from 25c to 50c. No supermarket chain will touch them until they fall less than 5c. You will definitally not see them on mars etc for a long time.

    With regards to the Human Implantible chip by Digital Angel recently sanctioned by the US medical board known as the Verichip, I do not believe that this is the chip. http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=645They are ridiculously clumzy at 11mm long, they can be removed quite easily from the body and they also have very bad press about it being cancerogenic

    Hitachi unveiled a tiny, new “powder” type RFID chip measuring 0.05 x 0.05 mm the smallest yet which they aim to begin marketing in 2 to 3 years.

    By relying on semiconductor miniaturization technology and using electron beams to write data on the chip substrates, Hitachi was able to create RFID chips 64 times smaller than their currently available 0.4 x 0.4 mm mu-chips. Like mu-chips, which have been used as an anti-counterfeit measure in admission tickets, the new chips have a 128-bit ROM for storing a unique 38-digit ID number.

    The new chips are also 9 times smaller than the prototype chips Hitachi unveiled last year, which measure 0.15 x 0.15 mm.

    At 5 microns thick, the RFID chips can more easily be embedded in sheets of paper, meaning they can be used in paper currency, gift certificates and identification. But since existing tags are already small enough to embed in paper, it leads one to wonder what new applications the developers have in mind. Such chips would be ideal for replacing the UPC /EAN codes as they can be produced in their billions. http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=939


  • #86
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    rtdh wrote:
    When a self service scanner fails to read a distorted barcode the checkout personell will only type in the visible numbers at the base of the code, she will ignore the guard bars.
    Yes, that's the whole point of them! They're not numbers! I'm glad that you see this at last! Relfe was wrong.
    rtdh wrote:
    That database contains information on every single commodity in the world that uses this code.
    There is no central 'world' database and even if there was, well, so what?

    How on earth is a list of seven hundred types of baked bean going to help herald the coming of the spawn of satan?


  • #87
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    robindch wrote: »
    Yes, that's the whole point of them! They're not numbers! I'm glad that you see this at last! Relfe was wrong.There is no central 'world' database and even if there was, well, so what?
    They do represent numbers and if you had any bit of intelligence you could be able to work them out.


  • #88
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    rtdh wrote:
    They do represent numbers and if you had any bit of intelligence you could be able to work them out.
    <grin> no they don't and at a certain stage, trying to help you see this, and failing, makes me look more of a pillock than you. So, I give up -- I've a tasty dinner to go to!

    Still and all, I'd be interested to hear an answer to the baked-bean question.

    .


  • #89
    Cathy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭Cathy


    Are you serious?

    Can you please explain how you believe that a guard bar means 6? They're clearly different. No links, or references to Relfe. Can you explain it yourself?


  • #90
    SubjectSean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭SubjectSean


    Wicknight wrote: »

    Besides that is part of the old covenant and is not longer relevant since Jesus came.

    That's not what Jesus said :)


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  • #91
    PDN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    SubjectSean wrote: »
    That's not what Jesus said :)

    Or indeed Paul (1 Corinthians 10:14). The Old Testament prohibition of idolatry is reinforced in the New Testament, which indicates it is a moral issue (as with murder, theft or adultery) rather than a ceremonial issue (as with circumcision, the rites of temple worship or sabbath observance).


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