666 Mark of the Beast.

Run_to_da_hills

I saw this link on top of the Christianity forum. http://bibleprophesy.org/
I am aware this number has been hidden in the UPC / EAN barcode for over three decades now, however I personally don’t think the barcode is the mark of the beast. Is there anyone that takes this serious or has any other opinions?

robindch

RTTH wrote:

I am aware this number has been hidden in the UPC / EAN barcode for over three decades now, however I personally don’t think the barcode is the mark of the beast. Is there anyone that takes this serious or has any other opinions?

There are plenty of people out there who take this seriously. However, you can checkout the website of the guy who developed the UPC barcode, and he's written a small section section debunking this myth:

http://bellsouthpwp.net/l/a/laurergj/UPC/666quest.html

...and he's quite clear that the choice of the placement of vertical lines in a barcode has nothing to do with the devil, or the new testament, or god.

2Scoops

Those familiar with different Bible translations may wish to verify this, but I heard that some translations give the number as 616. A rose by any other name...

EDIT: Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia - irrational fear of the number 666. Interesting fact for the day:)

PDN

2Scoops wrote:

Those familiar with different Bible translations may wish to verify this, but I heard that some translations give the number as 616. A rose by any other name...

EDIT: Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia - irrational fear of the number 666. Interesting fact for the day:)

Yes, an early fragment of papyrus contains the relevant verse with 616. Out with the calculators again, lads!

Asiaprod

PDN wrote:

Yes, an early fragment of papyrus contains the relevant verse with 616. Out with the calculators again, lads!

Do you know the name of that fragment, or do you have a link. Thanks.

PDN

Asiaprod wrote:

Do you know the name of that fragment, or do you have a link. Thanks.

I understand that it rejoices in the distinctly unglamorous name of Papyrus Oxyrhynchus LVI 4499. Here's a link containing a description and a photograph: http://www.csad.ox.ac.uk/POxy/beast616.htm

Fallen Seraph

I was under the impression that bible scholars were pretty confident in their interpretation that, whatever the number was, due to the equivalence between numbers and letters in the language of the original text it was a simple reference to the emperor Nero? Am I incorrect in this?

BrianCalgary

Fallen Seraph wrote:

I was under the impression that bible scholars were pretty confident in their interpretation that, whatever the number was, due to the equivalence between numbers and letters in the language of the original text it was a simple reference to the emperor Nero? Am I incorrect in this?

That is one of the interpretations. It is dependant on whether or you see Revelation as being future events or the fall of Jerusalem in AD72.

I did a talk on it a couple of years ago and discovered that Ronald Regan (whose middle name is also 6 letters) had been labelled the beast beacause of the number of letters in his name. Starnegly enough our youth pastor has 6 letters in each of his names, so I labelled him the anti-christ.

There are nervous nellies out there all over the place who look for the anti-christ under every rock. If they look hard enough they will find.

JimiTime

BrianCalgary wrote:

There are nervous nellies out there all over the place who look for the anti-christ under every rock. If they look hard enough they will find.

'The' antichrist? Antichrists, i.e. the plural is mentioned, putting the 'the' prefix there suggests that there is only one, when its not the case.

Run_to_da_hills

JimiTime wrote:

'The' antichrist? Antichrists, i.e. the plural is mentioned, putting the 'the' prefix there suggests that there is only one, when its not the case.

There is talk of "many" antichrists in 1 John 2:8, I don't think this is in connection with the "man of sin" which I believe is yet to come.

If This 616 theory is true would it mean Iron Maiden and all these other metal guitarists going back to their drawing boards?

Asiaprod

PDN wrote:

I understand that it rejoices in the distinctly unglamorous name of Papyrus Oxyrhynchus LVI 4499.

Thanks, thats an interesting site for my studies.

PDN

Revelation is the New Testament's only example of apocalyptic literature. Often this type of book would refer to current events in coded form. It is easy to see how possessing a book that openly named say, a current Roman Emperor as the anti-Christ could be a one-way ticket to execution. Both Hebrew and Greek had no numerals so used the letters of the alphabet instead (Aleph=1 Beth=2 Gimel=3 etc). This means that any name, when written in Hebrew or Greek, could have a numerical value.

A first century spelling of Nero's name in Hebrew would give you 666. This is probably the majority opinion among New Testament scholars. However, Irenæus (130-202 AD) in his Against Heresies identified 666 as referring to the Roman Empire as a whole on the basis that the Greek word lateinos (Latin speaking man) has a numerical value of 666.

I personally hold a different view. Given that so much in Revelation is rooted in Old Testament allusions and imagery, I tend to look for an Old Testament reference to 666 rather than some numerological code.

King Solomon was the king who reigned over Israel when it reached its largest territorial range of expansion, but he also overtaxed the people and subjected them to forced labour. This ultimately led to the political division of the nation into the divided kingdoms of Israel and Judah. Solomon received a tribute each year of 666 talents of gold (2 Chronicles 9:13). Therefore the 666 reference may be to a ruler who will promise to make Israel militarily strong but will do it by oppression and heavy taxation.

BrianCalgary

PDN wrote:

King Solomon was the king who reigned over Israel when it reached its largest territorial range of expansion, but he also overtaxed the people and subjected them to forced labour. This ultimately led to the political division of the nation into the divided kingdoms of Israel and Judah. Solomon received a tribute each year of 666 talents of gold (2 Chronicles 9:13). Therefore the 666 reference may be to a ruler who will promise to make Israel militarily strong but will do it by oppression and heavy taxation.

Very interesting insight.

Neurojazz

The only great beast i'm aware of on earth is MAN.
In some jewish mystic tradition 777 = the godhead, the fine point, the source etc... 666 = probably the only reference to the original scriptures that used an awful lot of numbers for things!

they had numbers for all the angels and the sephirotic influences that were deemed to be part of god... there is even 0 00 000 .. all weird and wacky stuff.. i find all the revalations stuff very, very odd.

Juza1973

Note that the Verse starts with "Wisdom is need here": many of the people who tried to do an interpretation of it forgot the first phrase, probably because they lacked the humilty to consider if the Verse was referred to them.

Run_to_da_hills

PDN wrote:

Therefore the 666 reference may be to a ruler who will promise to make Israel militarily strong but will do it by oppression and heavy taxation.

The ultimate way to oppress and impose heavy taxation would be the removal of cash from society. Is it just a coincidence that there is also an advertisement for Irish Barcode solutions on top of the Christianity forum? http://www.visionid.ie/ It has an interesting link on the advantages of RFID technology.

Owen

Run_to_da_hills wrote:

The ultimate way to oppress and impose heavy taxation would be the removal of cash from society. Is it just a coincidence that there is also an advertisement for Irish Barcode solutions on top of the Christianity forum? http://www.visionid.ie/ It has an interesting link on the advantages of RFID technology.

No, it's no conincidence, it's called Google Adwords, they generate ads based on key words in the page the ads are to go on, in this case the word 'barcode' in in the thread, so an ad targetting potential barcode purchasers is automatically added.

Run_to_da_hills

ned78 wrote:

No, it's no conincidence, it's called Google Adwords, they generate ads based on key words in the page the ads are to go on, in this case the word 'barcode' in in the thread, so an ad targetting potential barcode purchasers is automatically added.

Interesting, The word "Barcode" was not even mentioned as a heading. It just goes to show you that buzz words in your personal e-mails and text messages can be picked out in the exact same manner.

robindch

rtth wrote:

Interesting, The word "Barcode" was not even mentioned as a heading.

The words "barcode", "UPC" and "EAN" were in your first post on this thread and as boards.ie is indexed by google, the google backend will be able to forward the keywords to the ad server, delivering ads which are related to content on the page which requests the ads from google.

More on google adwords here:

https://adwords.google.com

Run_to_da_hills

Dose anyone believe that the verichip could be a possible candidate for the mark of the beast?

robindch

rtdh wrote:

Dose anyone believe that the verichip could be a possible candidate for the mark of the beast?

You're referring to this device from VeriChip, or this range of gizmos from BioMark. There are plenty of other manufacturers making similar useful gadgets.

BTW, from January next year, electronic tagging of sheep and goats will be mandatory within all EU countries including here in Ireland. The relevant EU Regulation is here, but there are currently no plans to tag people, as people are not a tradeable commodity requiring tracking within the EU at this time.

Regardless, the answer to your question is yes, there are plenty of people who believe that these devices are the "mark of the beast" and every one of them is mistaken.

JimiTime

Pardon my ignorance, but why is this considered by some to be the mark of the beast?

robindch

JimiTime wrote:

Pardon my ignorance, but why is this considered by some to be the mark of the beast?

Because of some text in the NT which goes like this:

Revelation 13:16-18 wrote:

He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.

Or 616, I suppose.

Quite a few people believe that RFID tagging, and other similar technologies, are what this text is referring to. Hence the claim. Though RFID tags would not be placed on the right hand or forehead anyway. Inside the left wrist is a much more secure place.

What's funny about it is that nobody's yet linked mobile phones to this piece of text. I mean "the number of his name" and talk of having it in your right hand or up near your forehead and nobody being able to buy or sell without it? In the way these bizarre religious urban myths work, that's almost a dead cert. Remember -- you heard it here first!

This calls for wisdom -- indeed.

JimiTime

^^ I never realised that scripture before. the whole thing of buying and selling etc. interesting. Fo those who say Nero was what was being referred to, did nero give a mark to folk in order to trade etc? Revelation is a great book to sink ur teeth into. Obviously not for a non-believer, as they just think its rubbish, but for the faithful, gr8 IMO!!!

Run_to_da_hills

JimiTime wrote:

^^ I never realised that scripture before. the whole thing of buying and selling etc. interesting. Fo those who say Nero was what was being referred to, did nero give a mark to folk in order to trade etc? Revelation is a great book to sink ur teeth into. Obviously not for a non-believer, as they just think its rubbish, but for the faithful, gr8 IMO!!!

The 1611 King James Bible is the only translation in the English language to suggest the Mark of the beast to be placed IN the right hand or IN the forehead which would suggests something such as an RFID implant other than the barcode.

"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark IN their right hand, or IN their foreheads,

And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six". Revelation 13 vs 16 to 18.

The following links are very interesting and show you the capabilities of RFID technology. It also gives you an indication that the bar-coding will soon become a thing of the past.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVmD4iTXRLE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5bgEn8GVOk

RFID (Radio-frequency identification) technology is now being used in all international passports, the London Underground Oyster card, the controversial USA Real ID card, security passes, Visa and other credit card companies are experimenting with it. Some of these cards depending on whether they are passive RFID (capacitor) or active RFID (Battery) can be read from a few inches away to several feet away even if they are concealed in your wallet or pocket!

The standard Implantable RFID transponders manufactured by Verichip, Biomark and Digital Angel simiar to those that are used on animals consist of 4 parts, computer microchip, antenna coil, and capacitor and glass capsule approx 11mm long. A scanner activates the passive capacitor at 125 kHz.

JimiTime

^^ And where does 666 come into such an equasion?

Run_to_da_hills

JimiTime wrote:

^^ And where does 666 come into such an equasion?

The barcode has contained this number concealed in it since it was first introduced in June 1974 on a 10 pack of wrigleys chewing gum. http://www.av1611.org/666/barcode.html

Ciaran500

Run_to_da_hills wrote:

The barcode has contained this number concealed in it since it was first introduced in June 1974 on a 10 pack of wrigleys chewing gum. http://www.av1611.org/666/barcode.html

Did you not read the first reply to these claims at the start of the thread.
http://bellsouthpwp.net/l/a/laurergj/UPC/666quest.html

Owen

No, Run_to_da_Hills is much more interested in fantastic claims, rather than actually researching anything of scientific merit.

I would imagine though, if RFID tags do become prevailent in the left wrist (For storing medical info, like a wristband, etc), there will be some lunatics who will assume that the Bible meant the right hand when viewed by another person - ie : Your left, my right. People can interpret these things any way they want.

Run_to_da_hills

Ciaran500 wrote:

Did you not read the first reply to these claims at the start of the thread.
http://bellsouthpwp.net/l/a/laurergj/UPC/666quest.html

I have read George J. Laurer website before. He is also mentioned along with a link to his website in that article on barcodes in my previous post.

robindch

rtdh wrote:

I have read George J. Laurer website before.

So what do you make of Laurer's website? Do you think that he specifically designed the barcodes so that they could be stuck to people's foreheads and hands? And if so, what do you make of the fact that this hasn't happened, and that barcodes are now on their way out?

Run_to_da_hills

ned78 wrote:

No, Run_to_da_Hills is much more interested in fantastic claims, rather than actually researching anything of scientific merit.

I would imagine though, if RFID tags do become prevailent in the left wrist (For storing medical info, like a wristband, etc), there will be some lunatics who will assume that the Bible meant the right hand when viewed by another person - ie : Your left, my right. People can interpret these things any way they want.

I am well aware of the Merits of RFID and no doubt this is what the premoters and Governments that are introducing RFID would like us to know, i.e. storing medical info, smart id cards, electronic tagging, smart weapons that will only activate with a corresponding chip, anti kidnapping device, night club entry, safer air travel, RFID to start your car etc. The same promoters of this system are obviously not going to inform you that every time you pass a corresponding scanner whether its boarding a train, entering a hospital or supermarket your location is pinpointed on this planet.

As regards to what the Bible says, You would want to be stupid not to be able to recognise your right hand.

robindch wrote:

So what do you make of Laurer's website? Do you think that he specifically designed the barcodes so that they could be stuck to people's foreheads and hands? And if so, what do you make of the fact that this hasn't happened, and that barcodes are now on their way out?

It is an interesting website and I myself believe that George J. Laurer may have been totally unaware at the time that the guard bars of his code would add up to that number. I believe that the code may have been computer generated. Initially the code was to be used as a voluntary stocking aid. It now since becomes mandatory throughout the globe. The only factor holding back RFID from taking over the barcode is its cost.

The hidden 666 in the barcode went totally undisclosed for approximately 8 years before Mary Stewart Relph let the cat out of the bag and published a book called the new money system in 1982. It gave a complete breakdown of both UPC and EAN codes and an introduction to understanding the binary numerical system

Hivemind187

This is nuts.

Barcodes tattooed to the skin are known to be unreadable by machines due to discoloration, changes in skin pattern, texture, moisture, skin reflectivity.

Its utter cods.

Run_to_da_hills

Hivemind187 wrote:

This is nuts.

Barcodes tattooed to the skin are known to be unreadable by machines due to discoloration, changes in skin pattern, texture, moisture, skin reflectivity.
Its utter cods.

RFID technology illiminates all these problems.

robindch

rtdh wrote:

It gave a complete breakdown of both UPC and EAN codes and an introduction to understanding the binary numerical system

And like virtually everything that she wrote -- I read parts of this book in the 80's -- she was completely wrong. Relfe didn't know what she was talking about and completely misinterpreted what she saw.

A short explanation. There are two sets of mappings from bars to numbers, one for the left side and one for the right side, so that a barcode can be read upside-down and the right way up without getting the codes back to front. In the mapping for the right side digits, the number "6" is represented by bar-space-bar-(4 spaces) (XoXoooo). What Relfe failed to notice was that the guard bars at each end of the UPC are not XoXooo, but they're actually bar-space-bar (XoX) at each end, and space-bar-space-bar-space (oXoXo) in the middle, which is different.

666 does not appear on barcodes because the guard bars do not represent "six". You can see how the codes are different here:

http://www.wikihow.com/Read-12-Digit-UPC-Barcodes

JimiTime

Got to say, reading the links here, I'd say its a crock RTTH.

Run_to_da_hills

robindch wrote:

And like virtually everything that she wrote -- I read parts of this book in the 80's -- she was completely wrong. Relfe didn't know what she was talking about and completely misinterpreted what she saw.

I dissagree with much of her book, she predicted false claims about the EEC that never materialised, She predicted that the barcode would be the mark of the beast.

However she is correct about the 666 hidden in the barcode. I have studied the subject on binary numbers before I had any access to the Internet. That earlier link I sent you explains quite well how to work out the hidden number. The binary coding and numerical values of the UPC code have not changed one bit since 1974. Are you trying to tell me now that the guard bars of barcode is 616?

robindch wrote:

666 does not appear on barcodes because the guard bars do not represent "six". You can see how the codes are different here:
http://www.wikihow.com/Read-12-Digit-UPC-Barcodes

http://www.rense.com/general20/666.htm

JimiTime wrote:

Got to say, reading the links here, I'd say its a crock RTTH.

Wait and see, the technology is now availible to fulfill Revelation 13 vs 16 to 18. It was not availible 20 years ago.

robindch

rtdh wrote:

However she is correct about the 666 hidden in the barcode.

I'm not sure if you read the important paragraph in the middle of my post where I explained a little bit about how bar codes work which also explains why Relfe was wrong.

The thin Bars at each end and in the middle look like the codes for "6" but they are not the codes for "six" because they are the wrong size. Relfe didn't understand what she was looking. Jeff Rense is similarly clueless.

rtdh wrote:

It was not availible 20 years ago.

It was available when the text was written in the first century -- ink or dye works fine too if all you have to write is "666" (or "616").

Run_to_da_hills

robindch wrote:

I'm not sure if you read the important paragraph in the middle of my post where I explained a little bit about how bar codes work which also explains why Relfe was wrong.

The thin Bars at each end and in the middle look like the codes for "6" but they are not the codes for "six" because they are the wrong size. Relfe didn't understand what she was looking. Jeff Rense is similarly clueless.

I suggest you get a pair of glasses.

robindch wrote:

It was available when the text was written in the first century -- ink or dye works fine too if all you have to write is "666" (or "616").

If this prophecy is in accordance with all the perverted modern Bibles I would totally agree with you that a splash of Ink would be sufficient to fulfill the prophecy. However this is not the case, according to the 1611 King James and the origional Greek texts the "mark" (charagma) is IN (epi) the hand and IN the Forehead.

JimiTime

Run_to_da_hills wrote:

Wait and see, the technology is now availible to fulfill Revelation 13 vs 16 to 18. It was not availible 20 years ago.

r u saying that this technology will eventually be the mark of the beast then?

Run_to_da_hills

JimiTime wrote:

r u saying that this technology will eventually be the mark of the beast then?

I believe it is heading in that direction.

BrianCalgary

JimiTime wrote:

^^ I never realised that scripture before. the whole thing of buying and selling etc. interesting. Fo those who say Nero was what was being referred to, did nero give a mark to folk in order to trade etc? Revelation is a great book to sink ur teeth into. Obviously not for a non-believer, as they just think its rubbish, but for the faithful, gr8 IMO!!!

In Corinth in the first century, if you wanted to trade goods, you needed the emporers approval to conduct business. As it is today, here at least, if you wish to conduct business within the City of Calgary you must obtain all local licenses, etc. The license must be displayed in a visible area within your business.

However in Corinth you had to bow down and worship the Emporer as god in order to recieve the Emporers mark, in order to trade.

In Calgary there is no need to bow down and worship anyone or anything in order to obtain yoru license.

The verse in Revelation would have had that meaning to the inhabitants of the first century AD. In order to trade you had to deny Christ.

robindch

rtdh wrote:

I suggest you get a pair of glasses.

And I respectfully suggest that you read my post again where I explain what the codes are. Can you see the difference between "XoX" (ends) and "XoXoooo" ("6")?

Run_to_da_hills

BrianCalgary wrote:

In Corinth in the first century, if you wanted to trade goods, you needed the emporers approval to conduct business. As it is today, here at least, if you wish to conduct business within the City of Calgary you must obtain all local licenses, etc. The license must be displayed in a visible area within your business.

However in Corinth you had to bow down and worship the Emporer as god in order to recieve the Emporers mark, in order to trade.

In Calgary there is no need to bow down and worship anyone or anything in order to obtain yoru license.

The verse in Revelation would have had that meaning to the inhabitants of the first century AD. In order to trade you had to deny Christ.

What about those living outside the boundaries of the Roman Empire during the time of Nero? These people could carry on business without any emperor’s mark or submitting any allegiance to the Nero. Others could have easily fled across borders if they wanted to escape his tyranny.

According to Revelation 13 it is more than just a local issue, if it was it would have stated it. "And he causeth ALL, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads"

robindch wrote:

And I respectfully suggest that you read my post again where I explain what the codes are. Can you see the difference between "XoX" (ends) and "XoXoooo" ("6")?

Yes I have studied it, I wouldnt buy it.

Owen

Run_to_da_hills wrote:

I believe it is heading in that direction.

Unfortunately, it's fear, misunderstand, and doubt like that that generated the dark ages. Without the Dark Ages, we would have had the industrial relvolution far earlier than it did happen (Remember the Greeks were experiementing with the Antikythera Mechanism, and Hero was experimenting with Steam), and we would be colonising space by now.

Run_to_da_hills

ned78 wrote:

Unfortunately, it's fear, misunderstand, and doubt like that that generated the dark ages. Without the Dark Ages, we would have had the industrial relvolution far earlier than it did happen (Remember the Greeks were experiementing with the Antikythera Mechanism, and Hero was experimenting with Steam), and we would be colonising space by now.

One has the right to be concerned and also speak out about modern day developments that have the capibility of erroding our civil liberties. RFID "chip in card" technology is currently been forced upon us by our governments, multinationals, banking and transport companies in the name of "security and convenience" etc but they are not giving us all the facts.

JimiTime

Run_to_da_hills wrote:

One has the right to be concerned and also speak out about modern day developments that have the capibility of erroding our civil liberties. RFID "chip in card" technology is currently been forced upon us by our governments, multinationals, banking and transport companies in the name of "security and convenience" etc but they are not giving us all the facts.

I agree that you can be concerned and look out for things like you obviously do. however, personally I would be apprehensive about being so certain. The truth is, we don't, and probably won't know until it happens, so its all speculation until then.

Owen

Run_to_da_hills wrote:

One has the right to be concerned and also speak out about modern day developments that have the capibility of erroding our civil liberties. RFID "chip in card" technology is currently been forced upon us by our governments, multinationals, banking and transport companies in the name of "security and convenience" etc but they are not giving us all the facts.

Asbolutely you have the right to be concerned, but before speaking out do the research.

First of all, RFID has nothing to do with "Chip in card", RFID is a separate technology, using passive circuitry to store information. RFID is just a method of information transfer, so there's nothing that RFID is doing that isn't already being done. For example, in the US, they're putting RFID into passports, so instead of the passport control officer having to type in your passport number, they'll just rest it on a mat instead. Same goal, different approach, that's all.

With medical RFID implants, they'll be a gift to the human race. If everyone was indeed chipped, and you were rushed to hospital after a bad car accident, they could scan your left wrist, and instantly know your blood group, next of kin, and any illnesses you have, or medications you're allergic to. Otherwise someone who's wearing a medical wrist band, and has their bracelet broken in a car accident could be given potentially lethal treatment.

As regards to the Governments 'not giving us all the facts', RFID is an open technology. Anyone with a moderate engineering aptitude can read the specifications, buy an RFID reader and see what's being stored in the chips themselves. The memory capacity of the chips is quite small relatively speaking, and most forms of encryption used thus far have been easily broken. It would be damned near impossible for the conspiracy theory you're fabricating to come to fruition.

Tzetze

ned78 wrote:

With medical RFID implants, they'll be a gift to the human race. If everyone was indeed chipped, and you were rushed to hospital after a bad car accident, they could scan your left wrist, and instantly know your blood group, next of kin, and any illnesses you have, or medications you're allergic to. Otherwise someone who's wearing a medical wrist band, and has their bracelet broken in a car accident could be given potentially lethal treatment.

Provided that they wouldn't be used to keep tricky little details like patient's health insurance status, governed by affording exorbitant premiums for ever-increasingly-corporate 'healthcare', otherwise it's to the end of that rather long, grotty looking queue of proles with ya!

robindch

rtdh wrote:

Yes I have studied it, I wouldnt buy it.

<gags> I give up trying to explain it -- I've more fun things to do with my time!

But I'm interested to know *why* you don't buy it. I mean, the code that these bar codes are written in is very clearly defined and when you write "666" in this code, you don't get the guard bars that Relphe thinks read "666".

It's a bit like if Relphe had said that "gorm" in irish meant "red", even though everybody knows that it means "blue". Why would anybody believe Relphe when she's clearly making an elementary spelling mistake?

And whatever about Relphe, I just don't understand how you can claim with any degree of credibility that the first thing that this guy Laurer did when he invented the UPC scheme was to misspell the most important bit of it.

Run_to_da_hills

ned78 wrote:

Asbolutely you have the right to be concerned, but before speaking out do the research.

First of all, RFID has nothing to do with "Chip in card", RFID is a separate technology, using passive circuitry to store information. RFID is just a method of information transfer, so there's nothing that RFID is doing that isn't already being done. For example, in the US, they're putting RFID into passports, so instead of the passport control officer having to type in your passport number, they'll just rest it on a mat instead. Same goal, different approach, that's all.

With medical RFID implants, they'll be a gift to the human race. If everyone was indeed chipped, and you were rushed to hospital after a bad car accident, they could scan your left wrist, and instantly know your blood group, next of kin, and any illnesses you have, or medications you're allergic to. Otherwise someone who's wearing a medical wrist band, and has their bracelet broken in a car accident could be given potentially lethal treatment.

As regards to the Governments 'not giving us all the facts', RFID is an open technology. Anyone with a moderate engineering aptitude can read the specifications, buy an RFID reader and see what's being stored in the chips themselves. The memory capacity of the chips is quite small relatively speaking, and most forms of encryption used thus far have been easily broken. It would be damned near impossible for the conspiracy theory you're fabricating to come to fruition.

RFID is a "chip in card" and I am aware that these Differentiate from sim based chips that are used in all current bank cards. However Visa are now combining an all in one card containing both. http://www.rfidnews.org/news/2006/12/14/londons-oyster-card-to-be-combined-with-visa-contactless-from-barclaycard/

With regards to governments not giving us the facts I ordered a new passport last February, It was not until several weeks later that I found out that all Irish passports since October 20th 2006 contained RFID. If someone wants the facts they have to search for themselves.

What is stopping a terrorist purchasing an RFID wand and singling out a particular person or nationality from a distance in a crowd carrying one of these cards or a “medical implant”? Or a smart bomb using RFID technology that would be primed to go off when the frequency of a particular person or nationality is transmitted close by. This might seem far fetched now but only a few years ago you would have thought the very same about ATM skimming.

The medical benefits of RFID implants cannot be denied and this is the first thing that will catch your attention when you log on to the verichip site. http://www.verichipcorp.com/ It is a major sales pitch for these companies. They are obviously not going to tell you that all your demographic data can be scanned unknowingly for up to 10 metres away or that these chips cannot be switched off. The current Verichip can hold 128 characters 40 words or 6 lines.

As with any new technology that has been developed it is only a matter of time before it is cracked, and I am sure RFID passports and smart cards without a doubt will fall victim. Already these so called foolproof biometric passports have been cloned. It is a cat and mouse game. The ultimate solution would be to develop a foolproof system that could alienate any offender from society.