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Romanian ATM scammers [Merged]

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  • #32
    aidan_walsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,208 ✭✭✭✭aidan_walsh


    judas101 wrote: »
    who said to block everyone?

    i say need to make deportations a la ballymun roundabout more regularly.
    What did you think the words "close the borders" meant?


  • #33
    TheBigLebowski
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭TheBigLebowski


    daveharnett wrote: »
    If we're going to 'make an example of em' why not just hang them?

    You're dead right...hang them all.


  • #34
    Pigman II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,921 ✭✭✭✭Pigman II


    Just shows ya you should always pay cash whenever possible.


  • #35
    Mossy Monk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    judas101 wrote: »
    who said to block everyone?

    The person you agreed with perhaps.


  • #36
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,965 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Ah I see the PC Police are out in force again today *sigh*

    This country is so afraid of being seen as racist that scum like the two in the OP's link have no fear of being caught as the most they'll get it a slap on the wrist. Giving them 3 weeks to make their own way out of the country??? These two should have been detained pending the next available flight back to where they came from, and their assets seized by the CAB. The same applies to any foreign national involved in any other illegal activity, or even caught driving without insurance/tax/VRT for example.

    And before the PC crowd get too high up on their horses, I'm sure you'd be the first to complain about Irish scumbags. To me there's no distinction - a policy of zero tolerance is what's required at this stage. The Irish are great at the bleeding heart save the world routine while our own citizens sleep in doorways and many families struggle to make ends meet but as I've said here several times before, charity begins at home.


    (Side note: they can skim the details with a hand-held reader eh? So much for Chip and Pin :rolleyes:)


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  • #37
    Sizzler
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    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/atm-scam-duo-told-to-leave-the-country-1243987.html

    ATM Scammers plunder thousands of euro from regular joe soaps bank accounts, putting a lot of people in the shoite in the process I have no doubt :(

    And, they get 21 days to leave the country, nice one :rolleyes: Surely a custodial sentance would have been given if you walked into a bank and robbed and 27K? Same thing ! In fact I think ATM scamming is actually worse as it hurts the ordinary punter and not just the bank, banks wouldnt blink an eye at 27k going walkies.


  • #38
    johnp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭johnp


    21 days to leave the country OR 3 years in prison.
    Makes sense to me.


  • #39
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sizzler wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/atm-scam-duo-told-to-leave-the-country-1243987.html

    ATM Scammers plunder thousands of euro from regular joe soaps bank accounts, putting a lot of people in the shoite in the process I have no doubt :(

    And, they get 21 days to leave the country, nice one :rolleyes: Surely a custodial sentance would have been given if you walked into a bank and robbed and 27K? Same thing ! In fact I think ATM scamming is actually worse as it hurts the ordinary punter and not just the bank, banks wouldnt blink an eye at 27k going walkies.

    Uhm.. actually, they should do this with all foreign nationals that commit crime in our country. I would rather have them gone with no prospect of coming back, than being put in jail for a few months only to do the same thing again once released


  • #40
    TwoShedsJackson
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    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055199005


  • #41
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    FuzzyLogic wrote: »
    IMO they should have been deported immediately.
    21 days for them to collect up their bits and pieces, gather the rest of the money they scammed and move to another part of the city.
    Bring them out to the docks and kick the ****ers into the Irish sea, make your own way home.

    I don't know I can see why people would want them locked up for a while but that's only going to cost us more money best off to strip them of all there possessions and send them home broke.

    I thought from the title the ATM machine had scammed the Romanians. :o


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  • #42
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    I hope they were DNA profiled and finger printed before leaving custody, at least in some small way we might be able to get a handle on them if (when) they re-enter our shore's again.


  • #43
    speaktofrank
    Closed Accounts Posts: 595 ✭✭✭speaktofrank


    ScumLord wrote: »
    Bring them out to the docks and kick the ****ers into the Irish sea, make your own way home.

    Couldn't agree more. Scum. I feel sorry for their daughter though who I assumed has just started school, now to be uprooted because of her parents.


  • #44
    Sizzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭Sizzler


    johnp wrote: »
    21 days to leave the country OR 3 years in prison.
    Makes sense to me.

    Great system. How many crimes would be committed on a daily basis if punters thought they would be asked to do porridge OR leave the country! FFS !

    EDIT: Sorry Mod's didnt see the other thread before I posted this so feel free to lock etc.


  • #45
    DonJose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭DonJose


    The sentencing in this country is so inconsistant.

    Irish scumbag beats up Chinese guy in Crumlin - Gets 5 years.

    Erithean scumbag rapes Irish woman in Dublin - Offered free flight home or 7 years in Irish prison.

    WTF is up with our legal system.


  • #46
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    goldenbrown wrote: »
    and make criminals afraid - for once - to commit crime....

    nice in theory, fails in practice

    The link between harsher sentencing and reduction in crime because all the criminals are too scared to pull a job, is weak at best

    For example, California introduced harsher sentencing for drug related offences. They experienced a 25-fold increase in sentencing to jail of drug offenders and lead the US in number of drug offender incarceration, 2.5 higher than the national average.

    And what happened?

    California's crime rate dropped at the same level as the national average. And the counties with the harshest sentencing had violent crime rates go up.

    So as I said, the idea that harshness works as a deterrent might sound good in people's heads (increase harshness, criminals too scared to commit crime, crime rate plummets .. obvious), but it doesn't tend to work out in real life.


  • #47
    Kazu
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    Couldn't agree more. Scum. I feel sorry for their daughter though who I assumed has just started school, now to be uprooted because of her parents.

    are you soft ??? :rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • #48
    ScumLord
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    DonJose wrote: »
    Erithean scumbag rapes Irish woman in Dublin - Offered free flight home or 7 years in Irish prison.
    For crimes like that they should be kept in the country and punished.


  • #49
    Sizzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭Sizzler


    feylya wrote: »
    I would assume that they came here seeking asylum. Sending them back to where they came from is fairly bad punishment in my eyes. You lock them up over here, they'll be out in 3 years and scamming people again. Deport them, hopefully they'll never get back into the country.

    Theres no such thing as asylum for Romanians since the EU Accession, so all they have to do is arrive in on a flight, if they want to work they apply for a permit. If they dont get it then they have to support themselves, they arent eligible for social farewell payments.


  • #50
    Sizzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭Sizzler


    DonJose wrote: »
    The sentencing in this country is so inconsistant.

    Irish scumbag beats up Chinese guy in Crumlin - Gets 5 years.

    Erithean scumbag rapes Irish woman in Dublin - Offered free flight home or 7 years in Irish prison.

    WTF is up with our legal system.

    I presume this is the one you are referring to?

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhmhsneyidmh


  • #51
    Stephen
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    The woman is hot, something milf about her. She can shoulder surf me any day 0_o


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  • #52
    DonJose
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    Sizzler wrote: »
    If they dont get it then they have to support themselves

    Saw two of these scumbags yesterday driving through Mullingar, one was washing windows and around the corner his buddy was annoying people begging at the traffic lights. I was pissed I didn't have my mobile with me, would've called the guards in 2 seconds.


  • #53
    DonJose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭DonJose


    Sizzler wrote: »
    I presume this is the one you are referring to?

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhmhsneyidmh

    Yeah thats the lunatic.

    "She noted he had been granted refugee status in August 2005 and had asked Mekonnen's legal team to discuss with him if he had any interest in returning to Eritrea considering he was facing the possibility of spending seven years in an Irish prison and his family might be unable to visit him here."

    http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhmhidauojmh/


  • #54
    Sizzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭Sizzler


    DonJose wrote: »
    Saw two of these scumbags yesterday driving through Mullingar, one was washing windows and around the corner his buddy was annoying people begging at the traffic lights. I was pissed I didn't have my mobile with me, would've called the guards in 2 seconds.

    Do you reckon they are getting ready for their end of year tax return to Mr.Cowen ;)


  • #55
    Kipperhell
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Uhm.. actually, they should do this with all foreign nationals that commit crime in our country. I would rather have them gone with no prospect of coming back, than being put in jail for a few months only to do the same thing again once released

    America had the same belief and deported many small time criminals. This lead to the many criminals being hardened in criminal institutes. A once minor dope dealing group eventually became one of the most dangerous gang in the US who now have world wide organisation. I saw a program about it a while ago. I think the gang have some numbers in their names. Simply to survive the gang just became more and more violent to survive.

    In effect it doesn't work and actually may lead to a worse problem.

    The same way the death sentence seems like the ultimate deterrent but there are lots of studies that suggest it can make matters worse. Firstly somebody on the run who is pretty sure he will get the death sentence will not care if he kills more people and then secondly you have to house them before death.

    I'm not a bleeding heart libreal but if something is ineffective you should not use it. Practically everything points to the possibility of being caught is the best deterrent and stiffer sentences mean nothing without it. People break the law because they think they will get away with it


  • #56
    DonJose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭DonJose


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Uhm.. actually, they should do this with all foreign nationals that commit crime in our country.


    Looks like they are doing this, even in rape cases,

    "She noted he had been granted refugee status in August 2005 and had asked Mekonnen's legal team to discuss with him if he had any interest in returning to Eritrea considering he was facing the possibility of spending seven years in an Irish prison and his family might be unable to visit him here."

    http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhmhidauojmh/


  • #57
    johnp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭johnp


    Sizzler wrote: »
    Great system. How many crimes would be committed on a daily basis if punters thought they would be asked to do porridge OR leave the country! FFS !

    EDIT: Sorry Mod's didnt see the other thread before I posted this so feel free to lock etc.

    So, we get rid of these clowns or foot the bill for these guys for the next 3 years?
    Deporting people is not a normal option for dealing with crime, but I think it's a just punishment.
    It isn't an option to all criminals, but shows a bit of ingenuity by the judge.


  • #58
    0ubliette
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    Kaiser2000 wrote: »
    Ah I see the PC Police are out in force again today *sigh*

    This country is so afraid of being seen as racist that scum like the two in the OP's link have no fear of being caught as the most they'll get it a slap on the wrist. Giving them 3 weeks to make their own way out of the country??? These two should have been detained pending the next available flight back to where they came from, and their assets seized by the CAB. The same applies to any foreign national involved in any other illegal activity, or even caught driving without insurance/tax/VRT for example.

    And before the PC crowd get too high up on their horses, I'm sure you'd be the first to complain about Irish scumbags. To me there's no distinction - a policy of zero tolerance is what's required at this stage. The Irish are great at the bleeding heart save the world routine while our own citizens sleep in doorways and many families struggle to make ends meet but as I've said here several times before, charity begins at home.


    (Side note: they can skim the details with a hand-held reader eh? So much for Chip and Pin :rolleyes:)

    Amen.
    Unfortuntely alot of Romanians seems to be more than happy to live up to the stereotype of being theiving gypsies, its these ones we want out. If youre not a help to the economy, youre a hindrance, and therefore unwelcome. We have enough theives of our own without importing more from ****ing romania.


  • #59
    [Deleted User]
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    feylya wrote: »
    TBH, they should have been detained for 21 days while preparations were made to deport them while seizing any assets they may have to recover the money they stole.

    So, wait, they were allowed to keep what they have from the money they stole?


  • #60
    OPENROAD
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    Cocobells wrote: »
    go down the toilet like england has


    really, has it :rolleyes:


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  • #61
    Mweelrea
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    feylya wrote: »
    Well, the other option is to throw them into our over crowded prisons and give them free rent and food for a few years.



    No, the other option is to deport them back to romainia for commiting a crime


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