Romanian ATM scammers [Merged]

green123

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/atm-scam-duo-told-to-leave-the-country-1243987.html

its an absolute disgrace that they were not jailed.
these people are allowed to just leave the country.

would an irish citizen be allowed to simply leave the country after been convicted of a crime ?

this country is way too soft and is seen as a soft touch by these sort of people

we are been taken for a ride

cop on ireland

feylya

Well, the other option is to throw them into our over crowded prisons and give them free rent and food for a few years.

TwoShedsJackson

Better to get them to fu<k off home then have the taxpayer spend €xx,000 on putting them up for the next three years.

green123

feylya wrote: »

Well, the other option is to throw them into our over crowded prisons and give them free rent and food for a few years.

so we just allow them to go home with no punishment ?
and anyone else who wants to come here and scam us is welcome.
if they are caught its no problem, we will let them go home also

come to ireland, rip us off, no risk

feylya

I would assume that they came here seeking asylum. Sending them back to where they came from is fairly bad punishment in my eyes. You lock them up over here, they'll be out in 3 years and scamming people again. Deport them, hopefully they'll never get back into the country.

jameshayes

green123 wrote: »

so we just allow then to go home with no punishment ?
and anyone else who wants to come here and scam us is welcome.
if they are caught its no problem, we will let them go home also

come to ireland, rip us off, no risk

Bring back corporal punishment - tar and feather them and they'll think twice about doing it again.

Pompey Magnus

Wow, a good looking Romanian woman. Can we start a petition for her to stay? It worked for Kunle.

prendy

it happened a year and a half ago...imagine what other scams these scumbags have carried out since??????

super_furry

They'll go missing, won't be deported and won't be found. If by some chance they are deported, they'll be back within a year.

green123

feylya wrote: »

I would assume that they came here seeking asylum. Sending them back to where they came from is fairly bad punishment in my eyes. You lock them up over here, they'll be out in 3 years and scamming people again. Deport them, hopefully they'll never get back into the country.

if ireland wasnt seen as such a soft touch they probably would not have chosen to come to here in the first place

we need to be tougher on crimes they commit as a deterrent to stop others coming here to try it

biko

This is the best punishment - deportation. It should be for life though, not just 10 years.

TheBigLebowski

While I agree that it is a good thing that these scum will (hopefully) be gone from our shores, what the hell kind of deterrent is this for other Romanians who are thinking of doing this in Ireland?

Gone West

feylya wrote: »

Well, the other option is to throw them into our over crowded prisons and give them free rent and food for a few years.

IMO they should have been deported immediately.
21 days for them to collect up their bits and pieces, gather the rest of the money they scammed and move to another part of the city.

feylya

TBH, they should have been detained for 21 days while preparations were made to deport them while seizing any assets they may have to recover the money they stole.

Wacker

feylya wrote: »

I would assume that they came here seeking asylum.

Coming from Romania? I doubt it.

This does set a very dangerous precedent. I'd like to see them serve at least a little jail time before deportation or else I don't see how there is a deterrant.

Gone West

feylya wrote: »

TBH, they should have been detained for 21 days while preparations were made to deport them while seizing any assets they may have to recover the money they stole.

Spot on.

spank_inferno

And its not as if they are being kept in custody awaiting the next flight to Bucharest.
They are given 3 weeks to make their own way to romania.

Probably back in 6 months...

(would it surprise anyone if they were allowed to keep the cash they took )

Mossy Monk

They should have been locked up. This is giving a bad message. Come to Ireland, commit crimes and if you are caught go home again.

green123

Mossy Monk wrote: »

They should have been locked up. This is giving a bad message. Come to Ireland, commit crimes and if you are caught go home again.

i couldnt agree more
its ridiculous

if an irish citizen was convicted of this crime would they be allowed to fly off into the sunset ?

Cocobells

im not racist, but this country is ruined by this type of scum entering by the boat load everyday, ireland needs to close its boarders with immediate effect or else it will perish and go down the toilet like england has

TheBigLebowski

Cocobells wrote: »

im not racist, but...

OK

green123

as far as i was aware they are supposed to claim asylum in the first available country.
not cherry pick their way across europe until they find a soft touch like ireland

Mossy Monk

Cocobells wrote: »

im not racist, but

That's what Hitler said when he first began talking about the Russians and Polish.

Trojan911

super_furry wrote: »

If by some chance they are deported, they'll be back within a year.

Yep, if not sooner. I always follow my laser card in restaurants, shops etc. The cloning boxes are so small they can be hidden close to the till, normally underneath. The cashier normally gets about £50 per swipe for doing it.

Another one to look out for is "shoulder surfing". While you are typing in your PIN number at the ATM, someone else is noting it. They store it in their mobile phone while another one dips you soon after, then it's off to the ATM to empty your account & fill their pockets and if you are dipped just before midnight they will withdraw the max and then revisit the ATM just after midnight to withdraw the max again thus hitting you with a double whammy.

Predominately done by Romanians in London. No reason why they don't practice it here as well.

feylya wrote: »

TBH, they should have been detained for 21 days while preparations were made to deport them while seizing any assets they may have to recover the money they stole.

Knowing how they operate in London, the money is immediately transferred into an envelope & posted more or less straight away to Romania or a London address. This ensures if they are stopped by plod there is no money about their person.

TheBigLebowski

green123 wrote: »

as far as i was aware they are supposed to claim asylum in the first available country.
not cherry pick their way across europe until they find a soft touch like ireland

The level of knowledge of EU politics on this board is shocking. As Eu citizens since Jan 1 this year, Romanians don't have to claim asylum anywhere in Europe. They are free to travel anywhere in the EU although they still need a work permit to work here.

green123

TheBigLebowski wrote: »

The level of knowledge of EU politics on this board is shocking. As Eu citizens since Jan 1 this year, Romanians don't have to claim asylum anywhere in Europe. They are free to travel anywhere in the EU although they still need a work permit to work here.

the offence took place in june 2006
so i would imagine they decided ireland was a good target, and they were right

daveharnett

green123 wrote: »

we need to be tougher on crimes theycommit

Come on green, that's not how a justice system should operate.We're talking about a non-violent crime, where the main victims are ultimately the banks (and debinhams). I would be very surprised if an irish citizen with no previous record got more than a suspended sentance. Why should this pair recieve special treatment. If we're going to 'make an example of em' why not just hang them?

judas101

Cocobells wrote: »

im not racist, but this country is ruined by this type of scum entering by the boat load everyday, ireland needs to close its boarders with immediate effect or else it will perish and go down the toilet like england has

damn right man.

too many people are in the pc police these days.

we need to get these scumbags out.

Mossy Monk

judas101 wrote: »

damn right man.

too many people are in the pc police these days.

we need to get these scumbags out.

So we should block everyone from coming to our country so as we can prevent a minority of scumbags from getting in. Not every immigrant is a criminal.

judas101

Mossy Monk wrote: »

So we should block everyone from coming to our country so as we can prevent a minority of scumbags from getting in. Not every immigrant is a criminal.

who said to block everyone?

i say need to make deportations a la ballymun roundabout more regularly.

goldenbrown

and make criminals afraid - for once - to commit crime....

aidan_walsh

judas101 wrote: »

who said to block everyone?

i say need to make deportations a la ballymun roundabout more regularly.

What did you think the words "close the borders" meant?

TheBigLebowski

daveharnett wrote: »

If we're going to 'make an example of em' why not just hang them?

You're dead right...hang them all.

Pigman II

Just shows ya you should always pay cash whenever possible.

Mossy Monk

judas101 wrote: »

who said to block everyone?

The person you agreed with perhaps.

_Kaiser_

Ah I see the PC Police are out in force again today *sigh*

This country is so afraid of being seen as racist that scum like the two in the OP's link have no fear of being caught as the most they'll get it a slap on the wrist. Giving them 3 weeks to make their own way out of the country??? These two should have been detained pending the next available flight back to where they came from, and their assets seized by the CAB. The same applies to any foreign national involved in any other illegal activity, or even caught driving without insurance/tax/VRT for example.

And before the PC crowd get too high up on their horses, I'm sure you'd be the first to complain about Irish scumbags. To me there's no distinction - a policy of zero tolerance is what's required at this stage. The Irish are great at the bleeding heart save the world routine while our own citizens sleep in doorways and many families struggle to make ends meet but as I've said here several times before, charity begins at home.


(Side note: they can skim the details with a hand-held reader eh? So much for Chip and Pin :rolleyes:)

Sizzler

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/atm-scam-duo-told-to-leave-the-country-1243987.html

ATM Scammers plunder thousands of euro from regular joe soaps bank accounts, putting a lot of people in the shoite in the process I have no doubt

And, they get 21 days to leave the country, nice one :rolleyes: Surely a custodial sentance would have been given if you walked into a bank and robbed and 27K? Same thing ! In fact I think ATM scamming is actually worse as it hurts the ordinary punter and not just the bank, banks wouldnt blink an eye at 27k going walkies.

johnp

21 days to leave the country OR 3 years in prison.
Makes sense to me.

Sizzler

Sizzler wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/atm-scam-duo-told-to-leave-the-country-1243987.html

ATM Scammers plunder thousands of euro from regular joe soaps bank accounts, putting a lot of people in the shoite in the process I have no doubt

And, they get 21 days to leave the country, nice one :rolleyes: Surely a custodial sentance would have been given if you walked into a bank and robbed and 27K? Same thing ! In fact I think ATM scamming is actually worse as it hurts the ordinary punter and not just the bank, banks wouldnt blink an eye at 27k going walkies.

Uhm.. actually, they should do this with all foreign nationals that commit crime in our country. I would rather have them gone with no prospect of coming back, than being put in jail for a few months only to do the same thing again once released

TwoShedsJackson

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055199005

ScumLord

FuzzyLogic wrote: »

IMO they should have been deported immediately.
21 days for them to collect up their bits and pieces, gather the rest of the money they scammed and move to another part of the city.

Bring them out to the docks and kick the ****ers into the Irish sea, make your own way home.

I don't know I can see why people would want them locked up for a while but that's only going to cost us more money best off to strip them of all there possessions and send them home broke.

I thought from the title the ATM machine had scammed the Romanians.

arybvtcw0eolkf

I hope they were DNA profiled and finger printed before leaving custody, at least in some small way we might be able to get a handle on them if (when) they re-enter our shore's again.

speaktofrank

ScumLord wrote: »

Bring them out to the docks and kick the ****ers into the Irish sea, make your own way home.

Couldn't agree more. Scum. I feel sorry for their daughter though who I assumed has just started school, now to be uprooted because of her parents.

Sizzler

johnp wrote: »

21 days to leave the country OR 3 years in prison.
Makes sense to me.

Great system. How many crimes would be committed on a daily basis if punters thought they would be asked to do porridge OR leave the country! FFS !

EDIT: Sorry Mod's didnt see the other thread before I posted this so feel free to lock etc.

DonJose

The sentencing in this country is so inconsistant.

Irish scumbag beats up Chinese guy in Crumlin - Gets 5 years.

Erithean scumbag rapes Irish woman in Dublin - Offered free flight home or 7 years in Irish prison.

WTF is up with our legal system.

Zombrex

goldenbrown wrote: »

and make criminals afraid - for once - to commit crime....

nice in theory, fails in practice

The link between harsher sentencing and reduction in crime because all the criminals are too scared to pull a job, is weak at best

For example, California introduced harsher sentencing for drug related offences. They experienced a 25-fold increase in sentencing to jail of drug offenders and lead the US in number of drug offender incarceration, 2.5 higher than the national average.

And what happened?

California's crime rate dropped at the same level as the national average. And the counties with the harshest sentencing had violent crime rates go up.

So as I said, the idea that harshness works as a deterrent might sound good in people's heads (increase harshness, criminals too scared to commit crime, crime rate plummets .. obvious), but it doesn't tend to work out in real life.

Kazu

Couldn't agree more. Scum. I feel sorry for their daughter though who I assumed has just started school, now to be uprooted because of her parents.

are you soft ??? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

ScumLord

DonJose wrote: »

Erithean scumbag rapes Irish woman in Dublin - Offered free flight home or 7 years in Irish prison.

For crimes like that they should be kept in the country and punished.

Sizzler

feylya wrote: »

I would assume that they came here seeking asylum. Sending them back to where they came from is fairly bad punishment in my eyes. You lock them up over here, they'll be out in 3 years and scamming people again. Deport them, hopefully they'll never get back into the country.

Theres no such thing as asylum for Romanians since the EU Accession, so all they have to do is arrive in on a flight, if they want to work they apply for a permit. If they dont get it then they have to support themselves, they arent eligible for social farewell payments.

Sizzler

DonJose wrote: »

The sentencing in this country is so inconsistant.

Irish scumbag beats up Chinese guy in Crumlin - Gets 5 years.

Erithean scumbag rapes Irish woman in Dublin - Offered free flight home or 7 years in Irish prison.

WTF is up with our legal system.

I presume this is the one you are referring to?

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhmhsneyidmh

Stephen

The woman is hot, something milf about her. She can shoulder surf me any day 0_o