All non EU citizens to be figerprinted

Foreigners make up something like 10% of the population. I would be very surprised if that same group committed more than 10% of crime here. But if you got figures I'll stand to be corrected.

And TB is not that rare in Irish hospitals. From my experience from spending a lot of time in hospitals, it is Irish people that are more likely to be suffering from TB.

TB has been creeping up because of a new drug resistant form. This has happened to most bacteria - MRSA for example.

Either way......I don't see how your DNA profiling would solve any problems.

ojewriej wrote: »

yeah mate, dead right. But actually given that most crimes in ireland are still committed by the Irish thugs, we should all get fingerprinted. And why stop there, we should all get these chips implanted, so the cops can see where we are at all times. I mean, if you are not a criminal, you have nothing to worry about, right?

Why stop at microchips? I mean we already have the public surveillance: go take a walk into town some day and keep tabs on how many cameras you see around the place.
Why stop at cameras? Lets bring in unwarranted phone tapping too. Hell lets start monitoring web-traffic as well.

And now you want to include medical screening to the list?

People, people, people.

One day you can b*tch about 'oh I cant get a job!' and in the same breath 'get off my land foreigner filth!'

When you fail to realise how much of the country's commerce is done on the backs of foreign investment. If you start throwing up all of these obstacles to entry, you can bet your ass they'll think twice before coming here again. Say goodbye to your Apple/iPod Manufacturing in Cork, Your Intel Processor plant outside of Dublin, Dell Computers etc and so on and so forth. I use electronic examples cos Im sorry, thats just what I know. There are dozens more prime examples I'm sure. Feel free to throw in a few for consideration.

The point being, its convenient now for a company to come and in and start-up when their startup group (the managers, executives, consultants, etc) can all fly in without having to drop their pants and have a finger stuffed in their rectum. Who would want to give you the benefit of their jobs and money if thats how they were treated? They wouldn't stay long enough for the first Irish employee to get his foot in the door.

As a student, do you think I want to go through that annually (or every 6 months as is more usually the case) so I can stay here and pursue a course of study? Hell no. Its expensive to get screened like that. And degrading. I dont mind paying the 100/yr/6mo but now you propose that you want to have a feel of my scrote' too? **** you.

Look I can understand and appreciate the use of biometric identitification but the whole screening proposition is a wee bit too far.

Are we saying here that fingerprinting will stop diseases coming into the country? Apologies for putting silly, silly silly, everyone is entitled to their personal opinions.

Facts below:

One of my daughters had an operation in a hospital in Ireland 12 years ago and had to be recalled to a clinic to get tested for TB as one of the cleaners on the ward had just tested positive for it, an Irish worker btw.

My youngest daughter' friends mother died from TB when the friend was 4. My daughter's friend herself had to spend a year in hospital because she got TB. That was also 12 years ago.

On another note, I first came across MRSA 14 years ago in England, we were told my friend who was dying was the first person to get it in a Nottingham, the only other cases heard about it at that time were in a London hospital. An English doctor had just recently relocated to Nottingham from the particular London hospital, the nurse told us infection control had informed them of this.

In a hospital here, my sister's uncle-in-law had MRSA, a ward helper came in to clean the floor after he missed the commode, being an old man he couldn't help that. The ward helper cleaned the floor with paper towels, she had no gloves on, she then continued out through a full ward of patients, one of whom called out to ask her for something, she put the wet urine soaked towels on the window and went to help out this other patient, touching him in the process. My sister mentioned this to one of the nurses who said, "ah sure, it's all hype about this MRSA, we've got no directives about it at all". This was only 4 years ago.

No I won't be laying the blame for any of the diseases we have here on people coming into the country, I lay the blame solely on the government/s not listening and trying to shove it under the carpet.

Edited to add, yes I do think fingerprinting is a good idea, there are far too many criminals being admitted to Ireland, if there was a fingerprint system in place that can immediately check with the country they are coming from to see if they have criminal convictions, brilliant, they can be turned around at immigration.

Goldenquick wrote: »

Are we saying here that fingerprinting will stop diseases coming into the country? Silly silly silly.

Nobody said that, or even implied that.

MIN2511 wrote: »

The immigrants that are referred to in the article are non European, so eastern European crime lords are allowed to commit crimes :)there is no need to get their finger prints as it's only the non Europeans that commit crimes:D

My understanding would be that this is put in place to keep track of illegal immigrants, or immigrants who remain illegally, not to prevent criminals entering that country.

ronoc wrote: »

What utter twaddle. You have basicly caricatured the argument and then sucessfully argued against yourself!

my argument serves a warning to what can happen if you concede to one thing - it starts with fingerprints (grand) then in 5 years its microchips and retinal scans and medical screening.
Basically Im against this notion of disease control. I mean, so what if I happen to have AIDs? isnt that my own problem? What if you were to contract AIDs? Will we deport you too?
Not to mention how impractical such screening would be at Shannon/Dublin, say.

Feel free to support your biometrics but dont be shocked when foreign investment and tourism starts to fall backward. If not now then when the next 'level of security' is implemented. Honestly I wouldnt be able to stand going back to the USA if I werent a national: how much crap do [we] put you through? Its a wonder you come at all.

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

One big brother solution is to ban ready to go phones that aren't registered to a passport or other acceptable proof of identity. Could be done tomorrow, and then you'd have to register to get it working again. State knows who registered the phone and where it is. Not even remotely foolproof but it could be implemented at almost zero cost starting tomorrow.

Most Irish people are already trackable, even with pre-pay phones with a little cross referencing of numbers dialed to eircom land land line, the electoral registor and Thoms directory not to mention the other gov't databases. Foreign nationals would not be as easy to trace in the same way.

Its thinking like this, that has me wound up :mad: here we are already onto phone tapping and tracking. Its disgusting.

They have this in the states now: Sprint PCS has a new generation of mobiles that allow you to find the GPS location of all your friends! How cool is that! Except *snap* darnit, the government watches you drive down the road to the supermarket and back. Despite the obvious benefits (Emergency services) I'd much rather hang onto my privacy. Thanks.

Its not fair on anyone, really. Why single out non-EU though? 2/3 of the non nationals in this country derive from the EUnion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NonnationalsIreland2006.png

bigjimthefirst wrote: »

http://www.ndsc.ie/hpsc/A-Z/VaccinePreventable/TuberculosisTB/Publications/AnnualReportsontheEpidemiologyofTBinIreland/File,1522,en.pdf

Knock yourself out.

Am I right in reading that that says one third of TB incidents were from people not born in Ireland? Is that not a very large percentage?

This is quite scary for the likes of me who is living in Ireland and fully obeys the law. It's not so much that I have anything to hide it's just that why should I trust anyone, any department, with all of my personal details AND fingerprints AND whatever else the government decides it wants from me down the line?
This week's blunder in the UK of someone posting the personal details of millions of people is scary. If I could be assured that my finger prints would be kept safe and not used for illicit purposes then I'd have no problem but noone can promise me that.
As it is I spend up to five/six hours every year registering my presence in the country (yes, every year even though my visa is valid for a number of years) and am then given an identification card (the picture on which barely ever resembles me anyway) which I'm never asked to produce - even when flying into the country. I don't see the point of any of this tbh.

humbert wrote: »

Nobody said that, or even implied that.

Read post No. 37. I did think better of how my words would come across a few minutes later and apologised .

Lands Leaving wrote: »

A way around it? what do they do? lop off someone elses hand?

I can't say how they do it here im afraid. Where there's a will there's a way though