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  • #182
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,839 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    dame wrote: »
    :D I've at least as much (in fact it would appear here that I have more) knowledge of teaching than you have! You claimed that I should be ignored because I did not have personal experience of the classroom (which I do actually, as tenuous as that claim may be). Ergo, you should be ignored because you do not have personal experience of the classroom.

    It should be quite clear that my knowledge has come from years of being around teachers (and absorbing information by osmosis) and from the millions of conversations I have had with them. I have actually had conversations with some of the teachers I know in which they have complained about colleagues of theirs taking time off (such as I mentioned in this thread), rather than doing what they want to do during their holidays. Not all teachers do it, but a fair few do.
    You know nothing about my background.
    In fact I spent many years in the education system albiet at third level. However, living with a teacher, socialising with other teachers (her colleagues and friends on my side), etc. I believe that I know quite a bit.

    Anyhow, my point is that you are making general statements about teachers without sufficient proof. You stillk haven't said how you managed to gain stats on every teacher in the country given that you feel you can speak on their behalf.

    Lastly, I didn't claim that you should be ignored because you "did not have personal experience of the classroom", I claimed that you should be ignored because your were talking "shíte".


  • #183
    Fighting Irish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,062 ✭✭✭Fighting Irish


    dame wrote: »
    Hi folks,

    What do you think of the fact that teachers are entitled to a week off for their wedding? I'm not joking, if a teacher gets married during the school year they are entitled to the week off, paid. Is this not taking the piss?

    Also, I know of a teacher who took a week off to get laser eye treatment. Shouldn't she just have done this during the summer, or the Halloween week off, or waited until the three weeks off at Christmas, or even the Easter holidays??? (Some) Teachers are the laziest people in Ireland! They seem to have the weakest work ethic and strongest sense of entitlement I have ever come across outside of an umemployed person who has no intention of looking for work, ever.

    I'm not a teacher and i still :rolleyes: to your post


  • #184
    dame
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭dame


    kbannon wrote: »
    You know nothing about my background.
    In fact I spent many years in the education system albiet at third level. However, living with a teacher, socialising with other teachers (her colleagues and friends on my side), etc. I believe that I know quite a bit.

    Anyhow, my point is that you are making general statements about teachers without sufficient proof. You stillk haven't said how you managed to gain stats on every teacher in the country given that you feel you can speak on their behalf.

    Lastly, I didn't claim that you should be ignored because you "did not have personal experience of the classroom", I claimed that you should be ignored because your were talking "shíte".

    Good for you. It obviously didn't broaden your vocabulary by very much. :rolleyes:

    To be honest, you know only about as much as I do (about teaching) at most. I've already pointed that out to you.

    Have you done surveys and gained statistics on "all" teachers? How have you analysed the results? In a totally unbiased and scientific manner one would hope? Or are you just speaking on your wife's behalf? Very galant of you. However, I'm sure she is more than capable of speaking up for every other teacher of her profession if she felt the need. Maybe not. Perhaps she's busy all weekend marking homework and making out lesson plans.


  • #185
    dame
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭dame


    Fighting Irish wrote: »
    I'm not a teacher and i still :rolleyes: to your post

    You should read the rest of the thread. Some of the crap spouted by others has been well and truly quashed, if I do say so myself.


  • #186
    Toto Wolfcastle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,005 ✭✭✭✭Toto Wolfcastle


    dame wrote: »
    Good for you. It obviously didn't broaden your vocabulary by very much. :rolleyes:

    To be honest, you know only about as much as I do (about teaching) at most. I've already pointed that out to you.

    Have you done surveys and gained stats on "all" teachers, or are you just speaking on your wife's behalf? Very galant of you. However, I'm sure she is more than capable of speaking up for every other teacher of her profession if she felt the need. Maybe not. Perhaps she's busy all weekend marking homework and making out lesson plans.

    Seriously, I'd like to know, why exactly do you seem to have such a negative attitude towards teachers? I mean, you're entitled to your opinion, but I would like to know why you have formed such an attitude.

    (Oh, and check your own spelling before you decide to correct another's)


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  • #187
    dame
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭dame


    janeybabe26 wrote: »
    Seriously, I'd like to know, why exactly do you seem to have such a negative attitude towards teachers? I mean, you're entitled to your opinion, but I would like to know why you have formed such an attitude.

    (Oh, and check your own spelling before you decide to correct another's)

    I haven't corrected anybody's spelling here. By a lack of vocabulary, I was referring to the very elegant use of the word "sh1te".

    I actually don't have a bad attitude towards teachers. I simply think that they should do what they want to do during their holidays. If I am coming across as negative it is probably because I have been exploding a few myths, exaggerations and untruths here.

    (Oh, and check your comprehension before commenting).


  • #188
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,839 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    1. Don't criticise other posters vocabulary. If you were referring to my use of 'sh1te' then why highlight a different sentence?
    2. I don't have stats on all teachers. However, I'm not the one making sweeping statements about them all - you were and still have not provided a source for your points (despite everyone reading this knowing that you are making it up for whatever reason).
    3. I'm not sure what your fixation on re-raising my wife's situation is for. I am merely questioning your claims and statements. You keep pointing to the fact that my wife is a teacher.
    dame wrote:
    If I am coming across as negative it is probably because I have been exploding a few myths, exaggerations and untruths here.
    You have, have you?
    Anyhow, I couldn't be bothered reading any more of your ill-informed trolling rubbish - I'm unsubscribing from this thread!


  • #189
    dame
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭dame


    kbannon wrote: »
    1. Don't criticise other posters vocabulary. If you were referring to my use of 'sh1te' then why highlight a different sentence?
    2. I don't have stats on all teachers. However, I'm not the one making sweeping statements about them all - you were and still have not provided a source for your points (despite everyone reading this knowing that you are making it up for whatever reason).
    3. I'm not sure what your fixation on re-raising my wife's situation is for. I am merely questioning your claims and statements. You keep pointing to the fact that my wife is a teacher.
    You have, have you?
    Anyhow, I couldn't be bothered reading any more of your ill-informed trolling rubbish - I'm unsubscribing from this thread!

    1. I highlighted that sentence and the word sh1te.
    2. I have actually. You must not have been following properly.
    3. You keep pointing to the fact that I am not a teacher. You have pointed to the fact that your wife is a teacher as if that gives you far more insight than I could ever have. It doesn't.

    Goodbye, kbannon! You weren't actually helping the teachers cause anyway, so you won't be any loss to that side of the discussion.


  • #190
    dame
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭dame


    kbannon wrote: »
    dame wrote:
    If I am coming across as negative it is probably because I have been exploding a few myths, exaggerations and untruths here.
    You have, have you?

    Just to illustrate that this was not an erroneous claim, see the excerpt below for a prime example of same:
    dame wrote:
    slumped wrote:

    OK - we need to clarify something - MY posts relate to PRIMARY

    Primary School Teacher:

    8am - 3pm (typically) which results in 7 hours teaching a day.

    2 hours planning per day

    4 Sundays for Communion Preparation (if involved)
    10 BOM meetings after hours (if teachers rep/principal/VP)
    2 Sundays for Confirmation
    1 Open Day (Sunday)
    1 Sports Day (Sunday)

    There are 183 teaching days in the school year.

    183 x (7 hours teaching + 2 hours prep per day) = 1647

    Meetings/Communions etc. as above = 50

    Preparation every weekend = 2 x 33 weekends = 66 hours

    Add together: 1763 hours

    Divide this by 48 and it works out at 36 hours per week.

    So to sum up - Teachers at Primary level do as much work in their 'short' year as we do in our normal 35 hours a week job.

    S

    In your example you must be taking a teacher working in a one room school and teaching every single class. How often does a teacher teach both Communion and Confirmation classes in the one year???

    Confirmation happens once every two years and in some dioceses it takes place on a weekday. That depends on the Bishop.

    [ASIDE: There are talks to move the Confirmation forward until the candidates are older. Transition year has been mentioned as possible time to do it.]

    Sports Day happens on a weekday in June in any school I've ever been to or heard of holding one.

    Rural schools do not hold an Open Day as such. They are more likely to have parents dropping in during the school day to enquire about enrolling their kids. (Anyway, if the school is a big one in a city with lots of other schools around, then it's not going to have the one teacher teaching Communion and Confirmation is it?)


    Basically, your example is absolute worst case scenario and it would not happen in reality.

    :)


  • #191
    togster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭togster


    dame wrote: »
    1. You keep pointing to the fact that I am not a teacher. You have pointed to the fact that your wife is a teacher as if that gives you far more insight than I could ever have. It doesn't.

    .

    Eh it does. He can see what his wife does after work so in fact that qualifies him alot more than it does you. My mother and sister are teachers at primary and secondary level respectively. My mother has been a teacher for the last 30 years. She works as hard as anyone else in any job i know. She is involved in debating teams, young scientist teams, consumer awareness teams, hurling, basketball, school musicals, and she helps kids in her class on her own time without getting paid. My sister does the same. And before you rush in with your condescending language and generalised conclusions, yes i agree that some taechers don't do the same amount of outside work as others. But this occurs in many areas of employment. I still think you have a grudge for a reason or else you just enjoy creating a fuss.:rolleyes:


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  • #192
    thefinalstage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,503 ✭✭✭thefinalstage


    togster wrote: »
    Eh it does. He can see what his wife does after work so in fact that qualifies him alot more than it does you. My mother and sister are teachers at primary and secondary level respectively. My mother has been a teacher for the last 30 years. She works as hard as anyone else in any job i know. She is involved in debating teams, young scientist teams, consumer awareness teams, hurling, basketball, school musicals, and she helps kids in her class on her own time without getting paid. My sister does the same. And before you rush in with your condescending language and generalised conclusions, yes i agree that some taechers don't do the same amount of outside work as others. But this occurs in many areas of employment. I still think you have a grudge for a reason or else you just enjoy creating a fuss.:rolleyes:

    Her own time is a relative term. I mean that time can be taken away from their holidays and they would still be up three months or more on the rest of us.

    BTW: Consumer awareness team?


  • #193
    togster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭togster


    thelastangryman wrote: »
    Her own time is a relative term. I mean that time can be taken away from their holidays and they would still be up three months or more on the rest of us.

    BTW: Consumer awareness team?

    Nah its not a relative term for her. Her job is her life. She doesn't count hours etc.


  • #194
    thefinalstage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,503 ✭✭✭thefinalstage


    togster wrote: »
    Nah its not a relative term for her. Her job is her life. She doesn't count hours etc.

    Still, she is three months up. Its good that she enjoys her work though. You can always tell when teachers do.


  • #195
    togster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭togster


    thelastangryman wrote: »
    Still, she is three months up. Its good that she enjoys her work though. You can always tell when teachers do.

    Yes but what do you propose? That we send kids to school all year round?


  • #196
    ChowChow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 ✭ChowChow


    thelastangryman wrote: »
    Still, she is three months up. Its good that she enjoys her work though. You can always tell when teachers do.

    There is a reason teachers have long holidays - you have to perform in front of a class from one end of the day to the other no matter what your mood/state of mind. In some secondary schools, teaching is as much about classroom management and controlling disruptive/abusive students as getting your job done. Not to mention the odd psychotic parent f*ing you out of it and dealing with tragic events such as suicides. My wife is a teacher and she loves her job - but I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.
    If the 3 months holidays bug you so much, do the teacher training, and get a teaching job. Simple.


  • #197
    togster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭togster


    ChowChow wrote: »
    There is a reason teachers have long holidays - you have to perform in front of a class from one end of the day to the other no matter what your mood/state of mind. In some secondary schools, teaching is as much about classroom management and controlling disruptive/abusive students as getting your job done. Not to mention the odd psychotic parent f*ing you out of it and dealing with tragic events such as suicides. My wife is a teacher and she loves her job - but I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.
    If the 3 months holidays bug you so much, do the teacher training, and get a teaching job. Simple.

    QFT Chow Chow. My dad had a breakdown teaching assh#les. And as already said most people don't become a teacher for the holidays1


  • #198
    dame
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭dame


    togster wrote:
    Eh it does. He can see what his wife does after work so in fact that qualifies him alot more than it does you.
    Eh, it doesn't. I've seen what plenty of teachers do both before and after work too. I have lived with teachers.



    Right, to lay this to bed: I believe most teachers do a fantastic job, are dedicated, care about their students, strive to do the best they absolutely can for all students in their care, etc. They could do with more pay but that's for their unions and the government to make any changes possible to improve that. I have no problem with them having long holidays. My only complaint was that they should do what they want to do within those holidays, and not be taking time out from the school day/year unless there is an emergency. Them being sick, having a funeral to go to, one day for a graduation, etc is all fine, but really and truly non-medically necessary, elective surgery (essentially for cosmetic reasons) and weddings and the like, can and should be fitted into holiday periods.


  • #199
    togster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭togster


    dame wrote: »
    Eh, it doesn't. I've seen what plenty of teachers do both before and after work too. I have lived with teachers.



    Right, to lay this to bed: I believe most teachers do a fantastic job, are dedicated, care about their students, strive to do the best they absolutely can for all students in their care, etc. They could do with more pay but that's for their unions and the government to make any changes possible to improve that. I have no problem with them having long holidays. My only complaint was that they should do what they want to do within those holidays, and not be taking time out from the school day/year unless there is an emergency. Them being sick, having a funeral to go to, one day for a graduation, etc is all fine, but really and truly non-medically necessary, elective surgery (essentially for cosmetic reasons) and weddings and the like, can and should be fitted into holiday periods.


    Oh so all the other sweeping generalisation that you made were just that generalisations. So really you only have problems with teachers who take time off to go to weddings. Thats great glad you finally clarified your position.:rolleyes:


  • #200
    dame
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭dame


    togster wrote: »
    So really you only have problems with teachers who take time off to go to weddings. Thats great glad you finally clarified your position.:rolleyes:

    :rolleyes:
    Yet another person who either cannot read or just hasn't bothered. It was the planning of their own weddings for a school week and taking that week off, rather than having it during their holidays. Is that so difficult to get one's head around?


  • #201
    togster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭togster


    dame wrote: »
    :rolleyes:
    Yet another person who either cannot read or just hasn't bothered. It was the planning of their own weddings for a school week and taking that week off, rather than having it during their holidays. Is that so difficult to get one's head around?

    Yeah i have read everything you have "written". You first post said that yes it you also said "They seem to have the weakest work ethic and strongest sense of entitlement I have ever come across outside of an umemployed person who has no intention of looking for work, ever."

    In a recent post you said this "I believe most teachers do a fantastic job, are dedicated, care about their students, strive to do the best they absolutely can for all students in their care". So i think i know what has stemmed this thread from you... you are a disgruntled student who wasn't thought very much english especially the meaning of the word "contradictive". You posted a thread hid behind it and popped up every now and then to make ridiculous statements. You are probably bored at wok and need something to liven your day up. Don't see too many teachers doing that.. up to their eyes in corrections i suspect.:rolleyes:


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  • #202
    dame
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭dame


    togster wrote: »
    student who wasn't thought very much english

    No, that would appear to be you. :D

    In your last post you displayed a deficiency in English comprehension. That is what I was referring by your not having read it.

    One can believe one thing but simultaneously be fed up of the bad eggs who (when you constantly hear of what they are up), give the better teachers a bad name. If this thread creates awareness among teachers (and others) that personal things should be kept for holiday time (and not have extra time taken off for them), then it will have done a service to this country. The taxpayers will be saved from paying for their extra time off (as well as a substitute teacher) and the children will be able to go to school without the disruption of having different teachers appear and disappear. It will save work for the principals (looking for substitutes), and it will improve morale among teachers (when they know they are all having the same time off). Of course people arriving back from sick leave with a tan should be a cause for action as well. Perhaps doctors need to be stricter in giving out certs. That's another day's work.


  • #203
    togster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭togster


    Oh you forgot about the rest of my post up there. Care to comment?


  • #204
    dame
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭dame


    togster wrote: »
    Oh you forgot about the rest of my post up there. Care to comment?

    Done.


  • #205
    togster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭togster


    dame wrote: »
    Done.

    Thats not a comment. But if you want to run away and hide thats fine too. Guess you weren't on a debating team in school:rolleyes:


  • #206
    dame
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭dame


    togster wrote: »
    Thats not a comment. But if you want to run away and hide thats fine too. Guess you weren't on a debating team in school:rolleyes:

    Re-read the post above. It was being edited when you prematurely asked for a comment. I was fantastic at debating, at second and at third level. :p I still am. Hmm, perhaps I was a politician or a lawyer in a previous life??


  • #207
    togster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭togster


    dame wrote: »
    No, that would appear to be you. :D

    In your last post you displayed a deficiency in English comprehension. That is what I was referring by your not having read it.

    One can believe one thing but simultaneously be fed up of the bad eggs who (when you constantly hear of what they are up), give the better teachers a bad name. If this thread creates awareness among teachers (and others) that personal things should be kept for holiday time (and not have extra time taken off for them), then it will have done a service to this country. The taxpayers will be saved from paying for their extra time off (as well as a substitute teacher) and the children will be able to go to school without the disruption of having different teachers appear and disappear. It will save work for the principals (looking for substitutes), and it will improve morale among teachers (when they know they are all having the same time off). Of course people arriving back from sick leave with a tan should be a cause for action as well. Perhaps doctors need to be stricter in giving out certs. That's another day's work.

    LOL " a service to the country". Please. You are trying to snake your way out of comments you have made in this thread. I can repeat them again if you wish? But then again you could just read above:p As for the debating skills i can't imagine what team you were on because those same skills you speak of are lacking now. Really if you had started the thread with the above post you might have opened peoples eyes. But your starter was sensationalist and really proved detrimental to your great "cause".

    Can't wait for the next thread. maybe this thread will have done you a "service" and help you make decent thread in the future.


  • #208
    togster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭togster


    dame wrote: »
    Re-read the post above. It was being edited when you prematurely asked for a comment. I was fantastic at debating, at second and at third level. :p I still am. Hmm, perhaps I was a politician or a lawyer in a previous life??

    Im sorry for not waiting for you to edit your post. Your right that was premature of me:rolleyes:. You still are a great debater?? Ha nothing to say to that one. With these superior skills of yours mizz dame i am truly stuck for words:p


  • #209
    dame
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭dame


    togster wrote: »
    i am truly stuck for words

    Good! :p

    NB: There is an edit facility here, there isn't in a real-life debating situation. Different skills are required and demonstrated in such a situation. I'm sure you can appreciate that fact.


  • #210
    dame
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭dame


    togster wrote: »
    Im sorry for not waiting for you to edit your post. Your right that was premature of me:rolleyes:. You still are a great debater?? Ha nothing to say to that one. With these superior skills of yours mizz dame i am truly stuck for words:p

    You were premature to ask again for a comment when one had already been given. The "done" was to alert you to the fact. Obviously that was a bit subtle for you.


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  • #211
    togster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭togster


    dame wrote: »
    Good! :p

    NB: There is an edit facility here, there isn't in a real-life debating situation. Different skills are required and demonstrated in such a situation. I'm sure you can appreciate that fact.

    Oh for sure. I can appreciate the fact. You were the one who said i had prematurely made a remark. Which in fact i hadn't because you had been editing. As for debating skills here is the dummies guide to debating!!

    1) Make you opening point. This should contatin your main points of contention.

    2) Use facts to back up your points (you didn't)

    3) don't make sweeping claims. (you did)

    4) Stick to your point. Don't go off on random tangents because you are loosing (you did)

    5) DEBATE. Don't correct people on their use of grammar. It makes you look like you are lost for points to conter argue with (you did this too)

    So there you go dame. Read it and learn. Maybe sometimes in the future you will re-aattain those winderfull debating skills you claim you once had.

    Have a good one.:)


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