Cross dressing = right of passage to ladies toilets?

red_ice · 10-11-2007 3:29pm #1

I was out last night in carnival after a gig in wheelans. As i came in the door i saw 2/3 men dressed in full womens attire. By the look of them they did it quite alot. Constantly pulling hair out of their eyes and being overly feminine and so on. long nails and a ridiculous ammount of makeup.

fair enough, each to his own. What ever makes them happy, im all for it go nuts and enjoy yourself.

So my pints at an angle tipping drink down my neck and i see one of the more obvious of the men coming out of the toilet.. i didnt catch which one tho.. So the lads and i set a little wager to see which toilet they would go into next. An hour or so passes and one of the lads spots the same guy making his way into the ladies toilet. I didnt really believe it, but low and behold out came the fella from the toilets.

Surely thats illegal? Am i wrong to think thats a bit too much? I have nothing against(excuse my termanology) that type of person, but thats taking the p1ss imo. What would the girls think of that sort of thing?

Sure you can put up the arguement of "But hes a woman trapped in a mans body" or what ever, but cmon, while theres berries hangin from the tree he has no business in that toilet regarless of sexual preference or any arguement you can put forward.

sickle · 10-11-2007 3:31pm

why would a bloke wanna go to the ladies is beyond me, the queues are always mental!

mike65 · 10-11-2007 3:41pm

And the conversation is witless

Mike.

Rhiannon14 · 10-11-2007 3:48pm

mike65 wrote: »

And the conversation is witless

Mike.

Been inside much have ye?

daiixi · 10-11-2007 4:25pm

Uhh illegal to go into another gender's toilet? I was under the impression that it was merely a suggestion. Does it really matter which one you use? My father always encouraged us to go to the gents if the queues at the ladies were ridiculous...

red_ice · 10-11-2007 4:31pm

daiixi wrote: »

My father always encouraged us to go to the gents if the queues at the ladies were ridiculous...

classy. Did he use that excuse to go into the ladies? Would it bother you if a bloke came in and pinched a loaf in the womens? Or just went in and took a number 1 all over the toilet seat.. never mind the possibility of him leaving the toilet seat up!

Canis Lupus · 10-11-2007 5:01pm

How would it be illegal to use the ladies...

If they were proper trannies who actually lived as women then they are told to use to ladies etc ie live as women.. Freaks that they are.

Gaz · 10-11-2007 5:41pm

Leave 'em to it , better than seeing some man-gina standing at the urinal , no ?

The Queen · 10-11-2007 5:47pm

I would have no problem with a cross dresser using the ladies. If the want to be female, why should they still have to use the gents, where they could face confrontation, and possible physical abuse?
That said, I guess they could face the same in the ladies...

I don't think it is illegal, I've often used the lads toilet when queues are too long in the womens!

Overheal · 10-11-2007 5:54pm

next youre going to ask for White and Black drinking fountains

.....oh, wait.....

rossie1977 · 10-11-2007 6:02pm

they have unisex toilets in some bars in liverpool

Senna · 10-11-2007 6:10pm

a few months ago on holidays, i was waiting in a cue to use the toilets in a bar. It was one of them, pay as you pee toilets with an attendant. I was waiting a few minutes and the attendant stuck her head around to look in the female toilets, seen their was a cubical free, so told me i could just use it.
After i had emptied, i open the cubical door and walked out, there was a woman standing there, who began shouting and pointing 'there's a fu*king man in the ladies' loud enough for most for the bar to hear.
All i could do was walk back to our table getting dirty looks from all the woman present. I swear they all though i was some sort of pervert. wont ever do that again.

SUNGOD · 10-11-2007 6:19pm

you were just drunk and staring at big ugly women , welcome to my world

red_ice · 10-11-2007 6:36pm

SUNGOD wrote: »

you were just drunk and staring at big ugly women , welcome to my world

rofl

Seraphina · 10-11-2007 6:40pm

Senna wrote: »

a few months ago on holidays, i was waiting in a cue to use the toilets in a bar. It was one of them, pay as you pee toilets with an attendant. I was waiting a few minutes and the attendant stuck her head around to look in the female toilets, seen their was a cubical free, so told me i could just use it.
After i had emptied, i open the cubical door and walked out, there was a woman standing there, who began shouting and pointing 'there's a fu*king man in the ladies' loud enough for most for the bar to hear.
All i could do was walk back to our table getting dirty looks from all the woman present. I swear they all though i was some sort of pervert. wont ever do that again.

thats ridiculous. women will happily use the mens if there's a big queue in the ladies, and men should be able to do the same. personally i dont see the big fuss and the need to separate toilets, though that said, having unisex loos would only really work if women didn't spend so bloody long in them and then hog the hand basin areas for ages doing the make-up n ****e :rolleyes:

Kazobel · 10-11-2007 10:51pm

Firstly what you are actually talking about is Transsexuals not crossdressers. The different being that a Trassexual is a person changing from one gender to another whereas a crossdresser is a man who wears female clothes for sexual gratification and if you did a google search I think you'd find most crossdressers and Transvestites identify as Hetrosexual.

Canis Lupus wrote: »

How would it be illegal to use the ladies...

If they were proper trannies who actually lived as women then they are told to use to ladies etc ie live as women.. Freaks that they are.

I am pre-op Transsexual and firstly I am nowhere near a "freak" and neither are any of my TS friends, I'd be willing to bet we're less freaky than homophobics like you, secondly it's not illegal to use the female toilets, thirdly "proper trannies" would be Transvestites not Transsexuals, we are totally different to them too and we are not "told" to do anything, we are under no obligation to follow any rules, how we transition is entirely up to us as is our choice of toilet. You just proved why we need to use the female toilet because if we used the male toilet and encountered a person like you who was drunk we'd most likely leave in an ambulance. And for the record not all of us present so badly that you (or anyone else on this thread) would be able to tell anyway, these were probably just 2 friends out for a drink and getting on with things, I don't see how it's anyones business how they choose to live as long as it hurts no-one else.

im_invisible · 11-11-2007 1:41am

i think he was talking about crossdressers, and not transexuals, but anyway

what i really want to know, is do they do it standing up, or sitting down?

Goodluck2me · 11-11-2007 1:55am

red_ice wrote: »

I, but thats taking the p1ss imo. .

lol at choice of words

Terry · 11-11-2007 2:02am

Kazobel wrote: »

Firstly what you are actually talking about is Transsexuals not crossdressers. The different being that a Trassexual is a person changing from one gender to another whereas a crossdresser is a man who wears female clothes for sexual gratification and if you did a google search I think you'd find most crossdressers and Transvestites identify as Hetrosexual.

I am pre-op Transsexual and firstly I am nowhere near a "freak" and neither are any of my TS friends, I'd be willing to bet we're less freaky than homophobics like you, secondly it's not illegal to use the female toilets, thirdly "proper trannies" would be Transvestites not Transsexuals, we are totally different to them too and we are not "told" to do anything, we are under no obligation to follow any rules, how we transition is entirely up to us as is our choice of toilet. You just proved why we need to use the female toilet because if we used the male toilet and encountered a person like you who was drunk we'd most likely leave in an ambulance. And for the record not all of us present so badly that you (or anyone else on this thread) would be able to tell anyway, these were probably just 2 friends out for a drink and getting on with things, I don't see how it's anyones business how they choose to live as long as it hurts no-one else.

Or it was just three guys out having a laugh and seeing how much they could get away with.
I think you're looking into this too much.

JIZZLORD · 11-11-2007 2:13am

every time i find girls in nightclub toilets i find them to be rude, thick, and as graceful as a hen party

jtsuited · 11-11-2007 3:38am

i once had a job where i had to make sure no women went into the men's toilets. On my first night, a pre-op tranny went in, and I (thinking she was a woman) told her to get out.
What ensued were moments that I'd really rather forget!

mawk · 11-11-2007 4:44am

JIZZLORD wrote: »

every time i find girls in nightclub toilets i find them to be rude, thick, and as graceful as a hen party

+1

in theory ive no problem with girls using guys pissers if its to avoid a que. but jesus god do they seem to choose that exact moment to get pugnacious and stroppy

Jesus Wept · 11-11-2007 5:07am

jtsuited wrote: »

i once had a job where i had to make sure no women went into the men's toilets. On my first night, a pre-op tranny went in, and I (thinking she was a woman) told her to get out.
What ensued were moments that I'd really rather forget!

You'd of thought he/she would of taken it as a compliment.

daniel3982 · 11-11-2007 9:44am

Ive had to use the ladies on occasion when the gents has been broken/closed for cleaning.

In Manchester some pubs had unisex toilets too.

Kazobel · 11-11-2007 11:55am

im_invisible wrote: »

i think he was talking about crossdressers, and not transexuals, but anyway

Well actually you all seem to have little or no knowledge about the whole subject so I doubt he even understands the difference

im_invisible wrote: »

what i really want to know, is do they do it standing up, or sitting down?

Sitting down, why would we stand up? you're watching way to much television and just pandering to stupid stereotypes.

Terry wrote: »

Or it was just three guys out having a laugh and seeing how much they could get away with.
I think you're looking into this too much.

What a stupid comment and besides I never theroised as to what they were up to I mearly corrected all the stupid and Transphobic comments that have been made.

jtsuited wrote: »

i once had a job where i had to make sure no women went into the men's toilets. On my first night, a pre-op tranny went in, and I (thinking she was a woman) told her to get out.
What ensued were moments that I'd really rather forget!

Number 1. "pre-op tranny" is a contradiction in terms since "pre-op" refers to Transsexuals and "tranny" refers to Transvestites.

Number 2. How do you even know he was pre-op or a Transsexual? did you ask or just assume?

Number 3. He was a transvestite, a Transsexual would never use a male toilet and never complain about being view as female.

aidan_walsh · 11-11-2007 11:57am

Kazobel wrote:

Well actually you all seem to have little or no knowledge about the whole subject so I doubt he even understands the difference

Knowledge of a subject doesn't automatically mean knowledge of a situation.

WindSock · 11-11-2007 12:11pm

jtsuited wrote: »

i once had a job where i had to make sure no women went into the men's toilets.

How do you land a nugget of a job like that

?

Well I have no bother about transvestites/sexuals using the Ladies toilet. Honestly, I have no bother about anyone using the Ladies toilet in a restaurant/pub/club. Why? Because it's only a freakin toilet ffs. I don't own it, and I've shared toilets with Men before. Like at home for example.

Terry · 11-11-2007 12:56pm

Kazobel wrote: »

Well actually you all seem to have little or no knowledge about the whole subject so I doubt he even understands the difference

Well instead of berating us, why not educate us?
No, it is not up to us to educate ourselves on theins and outs of every niche group.

What a stupid comment and besides I never theroised as to what they were up to I mearly corrected all the stupid and Transphobic comments that have been made.

What's to say it wasn't just three guys out for a laugh and seeing how far they could take things?
I've seen guys walking around in women's clothes before and it wasn't hallowe'en and they were definitely not cross dressers.

Number 1. "pre-op tranny" is a contradiction in terms since "pre-op" refers to Transsexuals and "tranny" refers to Transvestites.

Number 2. How do you even know he was pre-op or a Transsexual? did you ask or just assume?

Number 3. He was a transvestite, a Transsexual would never use a male toilet and never complain about being view as female.

How do you know that?
You were not there.
Or were you?
If so, how do you know you were? The OP never mentioned the location.

aidan_walsh wrote: »

Knowledge of a subject doesn't automatically mean knowledge of a situation.

Never a truer word spoken.

Kazobel · 11-11-2007 2:03pm

Terry wrote: »

Well instead of berating us, why not educate us?
No, it is not up to us to educate ourselves on theins and outs of every niche group..

And it's not up to me to educate you, but if you don't know then you shouldn't make stupid assumptions based on outdated stereotypes.

Terry wrote: »

What's to say it wasn't just three guys out for a laugh and seeing how far they could take things?
I've seen guys walking around in women's clothes before and it wasn't hallowe'en and they were definitely not cross dressers..

How do you know? and besides I never claimed the two people from the OP were crossdressers, in fact I never put any label on them all I said was "these were probably just 2 friends out for a drink and getting on with things"

Terry wrote: »

How do you know that?
You were not there.
Or were you?
If so, how do you know you were? The OP never mentioned the location.

I know because I am pre-op TS and I know most of the TS in Dublin and not one of them would ever consider using the male toilet no matter the circumstances.

aidan_walsh wrote: »

Knowledge of a subject doesn't automatically mean knowledge of a situation.

That makes absolutely no sense in relation to the comment you quoted

bangersandmash · 11-11-2007 3:05pm

A gay lad in my school has to change for PE in the (guys) toilets!

Canis Lupus · 11-11-2007 4:31pm

Kazobel wrote: »

You just proved why we need to use the female toilet because if we used the male toilet and encountered a person like you who was drunk we'd most likely leave in an ambulance.

Are you suggesting I'm violent because I think people who change their gender are freaks.....

My personal opinion on trannies or pre op whatever is they can chop their penises off but they will still be blokes, just dressed up like women minus their penises they hate so much for some reason and that in my book makes gender reasignment wannabes freakish. I have no problems with peoples sexual preferences or someones race/colour or creed (well, except scientology, that's just plain ridiculous) but people who want to do this to themselves make my skin crawl.

jtsuited · 11-11-2007 4:56pm

Kazobel wrote: »

Number 1. "pre-op tranny" is a contradiction in terms since "pre-op" refers to Transsexuals and "tranny" refers to Transvestites.

Number 2. How do you even know he was pre-op or a Transsexual? did you ask or just assume?

Number 3. He was a transvestite, a Transsexual would never use a male toilet and never complain about being view as female.

Number 1: He/She explained that he/she was a transvestite undergoing hormone treatment and was soon to undergo surgery.

Number 2: I was told in a pretty far out rant. This person became quite well known to the staff after this and many other incidents.

Number 3: Read Number 1 and Number 2

Number 4: Numbering your points like this makes you look silly.

griffdaddy · 11-11-2007 5:34pm

I was thinking about dressing as one of those ninja-style Muslims (the ones where you only see their eyes) and going into a women's jaxx. If I had a baggy enough dress i could probably fire off a **** in there discreetly enough as well!:D

Canis Lupus · 11-11-2007 6:03pm

griffdaddy wrote: »

I was thinking about dressing as one of those ninja-style Muslims (the ones where you only see their eyes) and going into a women's jaxx. If I had a baggy enough dress i could probably fire off a **** in there discreetly enough as well!:D

Roffle that's just plain wrong

Sam Vimes · 11-11-2007 6:48pm

Kazobel wrote: »

You just proved why we need to use the female toilet because if we used the male toilet and encountered a person like you who was drunk we'd most likely leave in an ambulance.

surely that could happen anywhere in the club or pub and not just in the toilets?

i was in the george once for a friends birthday party (mad place) and the toilets have written on them "male or m to f tg" and "female or f to m tg" so they seem to suggest that former makes should still use the male toilet

Capt'n Midnight · 11-11-2007 7:17pm

anything with dangly bits should have to use the mens toilets IMHO

really a safety issue, the issues being rape / molesting

daiixi · 11-11-2007 7:33pm

red_ice wrote: »

classy. Did he use that excuse to go into the ladies? Would it bother you if a bloke came in and pinched a loaf in the womens? Or just went in and took a number 1 all over the toilet seat.. never mind the possibility of him leaving the toilet seat up!

How often do you find the queue at the mens to be tens of people longer than that of the ladies? And no it wouldn't bother me if a bloke came into the ladies to use the facilities. What bothers me is people with a lack of a basic command of the English language. Oh and half the time we're lucky if there is a toilet seat in the ladies toilets but that doesn't really matter because most ladies hover in such situations.

L1011 · 11-11-2007 7:55pm

bangersandmash wrote: »

A gay lad in my school has to change for PE in the (guys) toilets!

Why?

SUNGOD · 11-11-2007 8:44pm

my girlfriend has a willy !

Kazobel · 11-11-2007 9:51pm

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Are you suggesting I'm violent because I think people who change their gender are freaks.....

No, I'm suggesting that it's closed minded homophobics like you that are the number one cause of assults on Transsexuals in this or any country. Wether you engage in an assult or not an attitude like your's would be whats called an iniciator whereby instead of minding your own business or having the balls to start something yourself you'd comment to work others up. You don't even say the things you are saying because you feel one way or another about it, you say them to be controvercial and get off on the reactions of others to those comments especially if someone quotes you and does a ":D:D", you think it makes you look "cool" but trust me on this, it doesn't it's kinda like how a five year old would say "f*ck" just for the reaction.

Canis Lupus wrote: »

My personal opinion on trannies or pre op whatever is they can chop their penises off but they will still be blokes, just dressed up like women minus their penises they hate so much for some reason and that in my book makes gender reasignment wannabes freakish. I have no problems with peoples sexual preferences or someones race/colour or creed (well, except scientology, that's just plain ridiculous) but people who want to do this to themselves make my skin crawl.

Transsexuals don't "chop their penis off" we get it ermmm...lets say refurbished and in our opinion enhanced and neither do we "hate our penis" we just don't want it because it is in conflict with our true gender and just for the record you, like every person on the planet, were conceived female. It's not until the ninth week of pregnancy that the gender specific hormones (testerone and eastrogen) are released and then gender is created but for 9 weeks You were a girl so don't assume male is the prime, original gender because it ain't. All males were conceived female so female is the prime gender. Oh and actually since you have no problem with others sexual preferences I assume you include Phedophilia, Rapists etc most of which, by the way, is the sole domain of "straight males". As a group I'd seriously rather be TS than a "Straight male" because when all is said and done "Straight males" actions are a sh*t load more vile and freakish than any Transsexual has or will ever come up with.

jtsuited wrote: »

Number 1: He/She explained that he/she was a transvestite undergoing hormone treatment and was soon to undergo surgery.

Number 2: I was told in a pretty far out rant. This person became quite well known to the staff after this and many other incidents.

Number 3: Read Number 1 and Number 2

Number 4: Numbering your points like this makes you look silly.

Number 1: Actually if he was just Transvestite he wouldn't be undergoing hormone therapy since Transvestites just dress for sexual gratification i.e. Transvestites are just straight guys who wear knickers just to jack off

Number 2: Again more proof he was not TS since we'd never do that because we get enough **** in everyday life without actually attracting it.

Number 3: Read Number 1 and Number 2

Number 4: You too

Kazobel · 11-11-2007 9:53pm

SUNGOD wrote: »

my girlfriend has a willy !

No I think what she more likely said was she has a dick and was most likely talking about you :rolleyes:

Jay D · 11-11-2007 10:03pm

red_ice wrote: »

I was out last night in carnival after a gig in wheelans. As i came in the door i saw 2/3 men dressed in full womens attire. By the look of them they did it quite alot. Constantly pulling hair out of their eyes and being overly feminine and so on. long nails and a ridiculous ammount of makeup.

fair enough, each to his own. What ever makes them happy, im all for it go nuts and enjoy yourself.

So my pints at an angle tipping drink down my neck and i see one of the more obvious of the men coming out of the toilet.. i didnt catch which one tho.. So the lads and i set a little wager to see which toilet they would go into next. An hour or so passes and one of the lads spots the same guy making his way into the ladies toilet. I didnt really believe it, but low and behold out came the fella from the toilets.

Surely thats illegal? Am i wrong to think thats a bit too much? I have nothing against(excuse my termanology) that type of person, but thats taking the p1ss imo. What would the girls think of that sort of thing?

Sure you can put up the arguement of "But hes a woman trapped in a mans body" or what ever, but cmon, while theres berries hangin from the tree he has no business in that toilet regarless of sexual preference or any arguement you can put forward.

well surely if it was an illegal act there would be thousands upon thousands more cases every year.

Don't know whether you are aware of the number of women that do this but I'd say you are. Also I think you're a bit of a drama queen, big deal like.

AlmightyCushion · 11-11-2007 10:06pm

Kazobel wrote: »

No, I'm suggesting that it's closed minded homophobics like you that are the number one cause of assults on Transsexuals in this or any country. Wether you engage in an assult or not an attitude like your's would be whats called an inicator whereby instead of minding your own business or having the balls to start something yourself you'd comment to work others up. You don't even say the things you are saying because you feel one way or another about it, you say them to be contravercial and get off on the reactions of others to those comments especially if someone quotes you and does a ":D:D", you think it makes you look "cool" but trust me on this, it doesn't

The problem isn't close minded people. There are people out there that hate blacks, jews, gays, whatever and will never attack one for it. The problem is people who will (who may or may not be close minded). Also close minded people will never change the opinion of some a lot more open minded simply by saying one throw away remark on a forum.

Kazobel wrote: »

Oh and actually since you have no problem with others sexual preferences I assume you include Phedophilia, Rapists etc most of which, by the way, is the sole domain of "straight males". As a group I'd seriously rather be TS than a "Straight male" because when all is said and done "Straight males" actions are a sh*t load more vile and freakish than any Transsexual has or will ever come up with.

So you dismiss him for making a remark that generalises a whole demographic and you do the same yourself.

Kazobel wrote: »

Number 2: Again more proof he was not TS since we'd never do that because we get enough **** in everyday life without actually attracting it.

No offence Kazobel but you do it yourself quiet a bit on here.

Terry · 11-11-2007 10:08pm

Kazobel wrote: »

No, I'm suggesting that it's closed minded homophobics like you that are the number one cause of assults on Transsexuals in this or any country. Wether you engage in an assult or not an attitude like your's would be whats called an iniciator whereby instead of minding your own business or having the balls to start something yourself you'd comment to work others up. You don't even say the things you are saying because you feel one way or another about it, you say them to be controvercial and get off on the reactions of others to those comments especially if someone quotes you and does a ":D:D", you think it makes you look "cool" but trust me on this, it doesn't it's kinda like how a five year old would say "f*ck" just for the reaction.

That's a fairly loaded statement.
Please refrain from further insults.
Thanks.

Kazobel · 11-11-2007 10:09pm

griffdaddy wrote: »

I was thinking about dressing as one of those ninja-style Muslims (the ones where you only see their eyes) and going into a women's jaxx. If I had a baggy enough dress i could probably fire off a **** in there discreetly enough as well!:D

So you'd get off on looking at the back of a toilet door and your dick in the toilet roll?

Kazobel · 11-11-2007 10:23pm

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

The problem isn't close minded people. There are people out there that hate blacks, jews, gays, whatever and will never attack one for it. The problem is people who will (who may or may not be close minded). Also close minded people will never change the opinion of some a lot more open minded simply by saying one throw away remark on a forum.

On a forum it may or may not be OK since I doubt many would actually even entertain a person with his attitude IRL but there's a difference between a forum and real life and his attitude could get a person killed and he'd only iniciate it and laugh from the sidelines, he wouldn't have the balls to get involved.

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

So you dismiss him for making a remark that generalises a whole demographic and you do the same yourself.

But mine is a provable point his is a generalisation based on stereotypes, there's a big difference and anyway since he can randomly call us (as Transsexuals) "freaks" just because of his own close mindedness I don't see why I can't point out how his "group" (straight males) are a sh*t load freakier.

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

No offence Kazobel but you do it yourself quiet a bit on here.

No actually I don't attract it and neither am I under any obligation to not be proud of who I am and what I've acheived, I'll never meet any of you in real life but for another TS whos afraid to "come out" seeing me not giving a cr*p and being well able for all the sh*t that get thrown on a daily basis is a big help because it helps them to see that you don't always have to hide.

Kazobel · 11-11-2007 10:25pm

Terry wrote: »

That's a fairly loaded statement.
Please refrain from further insults.
Thanks.

So calling us "freaks" isn't an insult? If I was just gay or lesbian and he called me a freak would that be classed as an insult? where is the line drawn?

Jay D · 11-11-2007 10:32pm

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Terry · 11-11-2007 10:35pm

Kazobel wrote: »

So calling us "freaks" isn't an insult? If I was just gay or lesbian and he called me a freak would that be classed as an insult? where is the line drawn?

It was a collective generalisation and not a personal insult.
A collective generalisation like that does not cross the line. It comes close, but doesn't quite make the cut.
Bringing gays or lesbians or any others group into it will not change things.
I don't know if you read AH much, but if you do, then you will know that I am a very stubborn person who will not be swayed by any arguement.
This thread will not become like the one on the forums requests forum.
This is AH. Just remember that.

There is a sticky thread at the top if you wish to voice your opinion regarding the way AH is currently run. Feel free to post in it.

I'm just going to say once that After Hours is not a platform for you or anyone else to fight the power.

xOxSinéadxOx · 11-11-2007 10:44pm

i always go the mens' if the queue is way too long.

AlmightyCushion · 11-11-2007 10:49pm

Kazobel wrote: »

But mine is a provable point his is a generalisation based on stereotypes, there's a big difference and anyway since he can randomly call us (as Transsexuals) "freaks" just because of his own close mindedness I don't see why I can't point out how his "group" (straight males) are a sh*t load freakier.

"Straight males" actions are a sh*t load more vile and freakish than any Transsexual has or will ever come up with.

So all straight males commit vile actions?

Kazobel wrote: »

No actually I don't attract it and neither am I under any obligation to not be proud of who I am and what I've acheived, I'll never meet any of you in real life but for another TS whos afraid to "come out" seeing me not giving a cr*p and being well able for all the sh*t that get thrown on a daily basis is a big help because it helps them to see that you don't always have to hide.

People snap and go on rants all the time, the same happened in the jtsuited's case.

Cross dressing = right of passage to ladies toilets?

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