Missing Madeline - Anyone else sick of this?

lemansky · 17-05-2007 10:20PM

The-Rigger wrote:

They get like this don't they?

We renamed the channel Sky War, during the Iraq conflict, It's not that neither case are newsworthy.

It's just how they would run an interview with a fly that once crawled up a wall within 50 yards of someones house who is remotely linked to any case, if they could get the interview.

Lmao:D Excellent! I totally agree though.Both cases you mentioned are very newsworthy but not to the degree that they overtake everything else.The rest of the world doesn't stop because she was kidnapped.Other events that would otherwise rightfully be headlines are sidelined.Like I said before...that cop who was shot and killed in England after she was kidnapped-as News came in of that it rolled along the bottom of the screen with barely a mention.Instead we heard the same interviews regarding Madeline that were on a minute ago and how nothing is changing.They could use that quiet time to report on a little something like a cop being shot but no.

crazy_dude6662 · 17-05-2007 11:02PM

personally i find it sickening that if she is found alive she will be given back to her parents and nothing will be said about them neglecting her and her siblings, because lets be honest, any responsible parents wouldnt leave a four year old in a hotel in charge of younger siblings. all that took for her to die was to think she would like to go for a swim. even if she had of thought she would like to go for a walk.
the parents should have had more sense. they shouldnt be trusted with the children. if she had of drowned or started a fire then their children would be taken away.

PCros · 17-05-2007 11:15PM

crazy_dude6662 wrote:

personally i find it sickening that if she is found alive she will be given back to her parents and nothing will be said about them neglecting her and her siblings, because lets be honest, any responsible parents wouldnt leave a four year old in a hotel in charge of younger siblings. all that took for her to die was to think she would like to go for a swim. even if she had of thought she would like to go for a walk.
the parents should have had more sense. they shouldnt be trusted with the children. if she had of drowned or started a fire then their children would be taken away.

Spot on. If that was a lower or middle class family that this happend to the story would a very different one. Media respects upper class and those two are going to get away with it.

Sure nevermind the swimming pool, look around you at home and you'll notice loads of dangerous items, plug sockets, knives, access to tablets, alcohol etc.

Sky News are a disgrace, hundreds of kids are kidnapped everyday around the globe why not focus on them aswell.

Again, my heart goes out for them in the sense that their daughter has been taken from them.

Hagar · 17-05-2007 11:21PM

Just curious.

Was that the first night they left the kids alone during the holiday to go out for a meal / drink?
Or did they do it for the first time / once or twice / every night?

Could they have established such a regular pattern of leaving the kids alone that they made it easy for the abductor(s)?

Has Sky even asked this question?

Jesus Wept · 17-05-2007 11:24PM

Hagar wrote:

Just curious.

Was that the first night they left the kids alone during the holiday to go out for a meal / drink?
Or did they do it for the first time / once or twice / every night?

Could they have established such a regular pattern of leaving the kids alone that they made it easy for the abductor(s)?

Has Sky even asked this question?

That's a very, very, very *10, good question.

You would hope the police would of asked it.

thebaz · 17-05-2007 11:30PM

MooseJam wrote:

why does everyone assume it's a tragedy, she was taken from parents who were neglecting her, she is probably in the hands of someone who will care more for her than her parents did, she probably has her own play room all to herself now with a playstation 3 even,

do you know her parents and family personally or something ?

what a compassionate person you are

WhiteWashMan · 17-05-2007 11:43PM

robnubis wrote:

i think its basically a ploy to get people watching certain stations, its a human interest peice basically, something they know people will watch because its so sad...

and then what? the story dies and therefore it means its not a tradgedy anymore?

surely you can make up your own mind about the situation without having to rely on different media bias?

it gets really boring hearing people blame sky news for this that and the other, when all they are doing, is their job. it may not be a good job or a bad job, its just a job. the situation doesnt change becuase someone reports on it in a way that you dont like.

im just glad so many people are worried about the way the media report the news. in fact, it seems there is more interest here in what sky broadcasts, than in what has happened.
im sure theres a media forum around here with **** all posts on it. do you want me to move this thread across to it?

PCros · 17-05-2007 11:50PM

This is interesting.....my friend just arrived back from Lisbon today after spending 3 days there and guess what...theres nothing about Madeline, he saw on clip of it and that was it. Its Sky News blowing this up.

He also said that he heard staff members of the tapas bar said that both of the parents stayed at their tables all night until they payed the bill and left. This is contrary to what Mr and Mrs McCann said to the police.

Thats why theyve hired two big lawyers from the UK to come over.

thebaz · 18-05-2007 12:19AM

Hagar wrote:

Just curious.

Was that the first night they left the kids alone during the holiday to go out for a meal / drink?
Or did they do it for the first time / once or twice / every night?

Could they have established such a regular pattern of leaving the kids alone that they made it easy for the abductor(s)?

Has Sky even asked this question?

they do it all the time , holidays , school term , in fact i'm surprised they brought them on holidays at all -- they usually leave them at home --

kop on -- drive around many estates in most cities in Ireland after 9:00 and you will see many kids under 10 playing unsupervised -- should all these children be taken into care ?

PCros · 18-05-2007 12:23AM

thebaz wrote:

they do it all the time , holidays , school term , in fact i'm surprised they brought them on holidays at all -- they usually leave them at home --

kop on -- drive around many estates in most cities in Ireland after 9:00 and you will see many kids under 10 playing unsupervised -- should all these children be taken into care ?

Yeah but not 2 and 3 year olds!

iguana · 18-05-2007 01:24AM

Today I got one of those "missing Madeline - spead the word" emails on my work email today. The chain ones that ask you to pass it on to everyone in your address book, so whoever got the email sent it to everyone in the company. Two minutes later someone else in the company decided to forward the email to everyone in her address book, including everyone in the company. A few minutes later someone else did the same.

Over and over some muppet would fail to realise that by sending this email to everyone in their address book, everyone at work got the same email again. I kept getting the same email all day.:(

Hrududu · 18-05-2007 10:41AM

I have been following this thread for a few days and held back from posting as I could have lost the head with many of you heartless, selfish horrible people.

This post seems to be typical of one train of thought on this thread. That is if you voice an opinion against all the hysteria in the media, and it is hysteria. Then you are hearless, selfish, cold and obviously should never be allowed to breed.

My point, and many others points were that there is nothing they would like more than seeing the child returned safely to her parents. But that the level of media attention is frightening. It is simply a human interest piece that has grown legs. I mean this week the papers practically hanged that suspect. Every day they reported different things that were weird about him. And yet there was no evidence linking him to the crime at all. The mob want a lynching and by God they were going to get it.

All this reminds me of the time one of the English tabloids printed a list of people who were registered sex offenders, paedophiles i think. They went around burning people out of their houses. On one instance they attacked a paediatrician. This is the same all over again. The media is whipping up these people into a frenzy. This is what i have a problem with.

Now here is the bit I know people will read and call me heartless over but here it is anyway. What do I care about the girl? I dont know her, i dont know her family. Whether she is found or not doesnt affect me nor will it ever. I look at this case objectively and hope for her parents sake and her own that she is alright. But I genuinely do not understand how some people read the story can be 'devastated'. Thats a weighty word. Are they devastated while they read the story then go about their day happily once the paper is put down? I genuinely want to know. Because its bordering on hysteria.

People she is outside your Monkey Sphere.

TwoShedsJackson · 18-05-2007 11:14AM

That the family is from Liverpool probably has a lot to do with the hysteria, they do tend to get a bit emotional around there, if the old 'foetus in an alley' story is anything to go by..

Miss Judy · 18-05-2007 11:21AM

Hagar wrote:

Just curious.

Was that the first night they left the kids alone during the holiday to go out for a meal / drink?
Or did they do it for the first time / once or twice / every night?

Could they have established such a regular pattern of leaving the kids alone that they made it easy for the abductor(s)?

Has Sky even asked this question?

That is the one thing that bugs me about the entire investigation, it's probably because they feel the parents are suffering enough.

I definately think that was not the first night they left their children unattended and it was monitered by someone and I also find half hourly checks hard to take, that's far too long to leave any child unattended. Alot of people when talking about this ask the one question "how did they close that door behind them leaving 3 toddlers alone in bed?". Their main focus is finding their daughter and I hope they do, but I also think if they are not held accountable there will be uproar by alot of segments of society claiming if it was someone else they would be charged, so it's a case of wait & see.

On another very relevent point, yes I agree that when she is found safe & well (please don't have another go at me for being hopeful about this) I do think they should be held accountable for their actions, it's neglect and irresponsible parenting. I heard that it's illegal in Portugal to leave a child under 16 unattended, does anyone know if that is true??. I remember hearing something about it and someone said that the reason there is no case against the parents (yet??) is because of what they are going through.

TwoShedsJackson · 18-05-2007 11:47AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2082507,00.html

RuggieBear · 18-05-2007 12:04PM

TwoShedsJackson wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2082507,00.html

another good article.

dame · 18-05-2007 01:46PM

PCros wrote:

This is interesting.....my friend just arrived back from Lisbon today after spending 3 days there and guess what...theres nothing about Madeline, he saw on clip of it and that was it. Its Sky News blowing this up.

He also said that he heard staff members of the tapas bar said that both of the parents stayed at their tables all night until they payed the bill and left. This is contrary to what Mr and Mrs McCann said to the police.

Thats why theyve hired two big lawyers from the UK to come over.

Early on it was reported that the french doors of the apartment had been left open by the parents, but that story changed later.

A Scotland Yard detective who went over for a day or two said there was no sign of forced entry on the shutters or anywhere else in the apartment. He said it was most likely that the child woke up and wandered out and that the scent that was trailed by dogs to places like the nearby supermarket could be due to her wandering to somewhere she recognised. He said it was probably a case of "opportunity" for an abductor rather than anything planned.

Dudess · 18-05-2007 04:36PM

Hrududu wrote:

This post seems to be typical of one train of thought on this thread. That is if you voice an opinion against all the hysteria in the media, and it is hysteria. Then you are hearless, selfish, cold and obviously should never be allowed to breed.

My point, and many others points were that there is nothing they would like more than seeing the child returned safely to her parents. But that the level of media attention is frightening. It is simply a human interest piece that has grown legs. I mean this week the papers practically hanged that suspect. Every day they reported different things that were weird about him. And yet there was no evidence linking him to the crime at all. The mob want a lynching and by God they were going to get it.

All this reminds me of the time one of the English tabloids printed a list of people who were registered sex offenders, paedophiles i think. They went around burning people out of their houses. On one instance they attacked a paediatrician. This is the same all over again. The media is whipping up these people into a frenzy. This is what i have a problem with.

Now here is the bit I know people will read and call me heartless over but here it is anyway. What do I care about the girl? I dont know her, i dont know her family. Whether she is found or not doesnt affect me nor will it ever. I look at this case objectively and hope for her parents sake and her own that she is alright. But I genuinely do not understand how some people read the story can be 'devastated'. Thats a weighty word. Are they devastated while they read the story then go about their day happily once the paper is put down? I genuinely want to know. Because its bordering on hysteria.

People she is outside your Monkey Sphere.

Spot-on, Hrududu. And the people who call those of us who share Hrududu's view heartless, selfish etc - grow the **** up! What a pack of idiots! If you're that upset by Madeleine's case, you should be upset 24 hours a day, 365 days a year due to all the other unreported cases of missing children. However, I somehow think you're not, because it's the coverage that's causing you to feel such upset.

Pepe LeFrits · 18-05-2007 04:59PM

Seems they'll be showing the Missing Madeline DVD on the big screens before the FA cup final, having already shown it prior to the UEFA cup final.

I'll be tuning in right at kick-off methinks.

David Michael · 18-05-2007 05:15PM

TwoShedsJackson wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2082507,00.html

Nice link.

+1 for the comment by discodamaged

"The worlds gone Maddie"

Zambia · 18-05-2007 05:23PM

PCros wrote:

Yeah but not 2 and 3 year olds!

Yes two and three year olds , in the pjyamas and all .... sheer stupidity

try smithfield

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 18-05-2007 05:25PM

Pepe LeFrits wrote:

Seems they'll be showing the Missing Madeline DVD on the big screens before the FA cup final, having already shown it prior to the UEFA cup final.

I'll be tuning in right at kick-off methinks.

that's a joke, right?

cos if it's a joke, it's a a pretty funny spoof of the silly media madness over this entire case

if it's actually happening, I think I might cry.

--edit
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=49295&in_page_id=34

oh someone else's god

tallus · 18-05-2007 05:39PM

It's happening, I heard it on the radio earlier. Shame heh.

Maccattack · 18-05-2007 05:44PM

Hrududu wrote:

Now here is the bit I know people will read and call me heartless over but here it is anyway. What do I care about the girl? I dont know her, i dont know her family. Whether she is found or not doesnt affect me nor will it ever. I look at this case objectively and hope for her parents sake and her own that she is alright. But I genuinely do not understand how some people read the story can be 'devastated'. Thats a weighty word. Are they devastated while they read the story then go about their day happily once the paper is put down? I genuinely want to know. Because its bordering on hysteria.

People she is outside your Monkey Sphere.

I'm a parent. I suppose thats why this story upset me in essence. I wasnt 'devastated' by it but I was/am genuinely upset. I experienced a whole range of emotions in fact. I became genuinely frightened that the same thing could happen to one of my kids. I dont believe the amount of coverage had anything to do with it for me. Its empathy for the people involved. Its despair at the world we inhabit and the one we are leaving our children with.

None of us can really appreciate the shear terror of having your child taken away in this fashion. The thought of her screaming in fear and who knows what happening to hear. I feel sick thinking about it.

I dont believe it doesnt affect people outside the Mccann family. We all stand the risk of it happening to us. It affects everybody in that the amount of coverage may act as a deterent for the next piece of rubbish that thinks about doing the same thing.

The media is what it is. Maybe you can say theyve gone over the top but if you were in the parents shoes you would want all the help you could get and wouldn't care about the rest.

Tha Gopher · 18-05-2007 07:45PM

dame wrote:

A Scotland Yard detective who went over for a day or two said there was no sign of forced entry on the shutters or anywhere else in the apartment. He said it was most likely that the child woke up and wandered out and that the scent that was trailed by dogs to places like the nearby supermarket could be due to her wandering to somewhere she recognised. He said it was probably a case of "opportunity" for an abductor rather than anything planned.

Indeed. The British media seem to be taking a very biased view pro parents against the Portuguese in all of this. Glass houses, stones etc etc.

Zambia232- yes there are kids hanging around Smithfield on their own of that age. We all know who their parents are, and theyre not a pair of doctors (not a dig at the people of SF of course, the majority of whom Im sure are as good as anywhere)

Mind you, I see alot less kids on the streets late at night then when I was young. I remember when I was 5 or 6 if i was coming home in the car with the oul one Id see my friends from houses where one or both of the parents couldnt give a bollix on the streets at midnight (most of these kids have pretty much turned out how you would expect, a few been inside, the odd one on gear, most of the girls have kids themselves, most going nowhere fast basically). Cant recall the last time I saw a young child out late, either the cops clamped down or even scumbag parents have got para over abductions.

RoundyMooney · 18-05-2007 07:48PM

Hitchhikers are pretty much a thing of the past now too.

Snake Plisken · 18-05-2007 10:19PM

Yeah Maccattack I think there are two camps here on this thread those with kids and those without kids. Those without kids are more worried about having to miss the sports report. Those of us who are parents when they saw this story break would probably put their own "what if" scenario play out if it happened to their family, but most parents wouldn't have done such a stupid thing as go for a meal leaving a 3 year old in a room with baby twins, instead of lashing out 12euros to hire a child minder while they were out, even outside of the abduction the child could have wondered out and fell into the swimming pool, there could have been a fire in the room anything could have happened, and if the rumour that another poster mentioned that the parents where doing the same thing every night and it was for periods a lot longer then mentioned in the media, then they should be prosecuted. I also think that a lot of the media in the UK have this info as well but are holding back as it would cause a public uproar against the paper or the broadcaster that had the balls to publish it.
I do agree that the sky coverage has been a bit much as they are dragging out the little information they have and repeating it every few minutes.
It will be interesting to see how this story will stay as one of the top stories on Sky News

Snake

Mossy Monk · 19-05-2007 02:56AM

Snake Plisken wrote:

Yeah Maccattack I think there are two camps here on this thread those with kids and those without kids. Those without kids are more worried about having to miss the sports report

Get off your high horse before you fall and hurt yourself.

Miss Fluff · 19-05-2007 01:40PM

Article re media coverage by Mary Fitzgerald in today's Weekend Review in Irish Times.

Tha Gopher · 19-05-2007 02:24PM

Snake Plisken wrote:

Yeah Maccattack I think there are two camps here on this thread those with kids and those without kids. Those without kids are more worried about having to miss the sports report........ if the rumour that another poster mentioned that the parents where doing the same thing every night and it was for periods a lot longer then mentioned in the media, then they should be prosecuted. I also think that a lot of the media in the UK have this info as well but are holding back as it would cause a public uproar against the paper or the broadcaster that had the balls to publish it.

No mate, I agree it should be in the news, what I was saying was that to interrupt pretty much anything to show a few cars leaving a house is completely irrelevant to anything.

I recall a discrepancy in an earlier report alright, in one part it claimed they were being checked on every half hour, but later on it said something like the father checked on them at, lets say, 8:30 and the kid was reported missing one hour later

I have to agree, is it really all that likely that the person happened to chance upon an empty apartment, or is it more likely he had seen this pair going to the restaurant every night. Its awful stuff, but as you say the UK media is bent on criticising the police every 2 minutes rather than facing up to the fact that these are some of the worst parents who ever came to media prominence. I still cant get over the fact that they were unprepared to pay probably one seventh of their combined hourly wage to get someone to mind their kids. I mean, put it in perspective- doctors work very long hours. If this couple work, lets say, 120 hrs per week between them at at least 30 per hour, and they couldnt spend 12 euro? As said Im getting pretty tired of this pair, and its almost such an unbelievable scenario that you have to wonder if there is more to it than meets the eye (this week the fund has grown even bigger than the £3 million odd pledged by Branson, Wayne Rooney and a few others). You have to wonder if the reason the police are being hazy on details has anything to do with it.

On the news last night it showed the website, some sort of cheesy introductory music on it. Campaigns, websites, fcuking chain emails, half of bebo with the wallpaper of her, yadda yadda its all becoming very We`re Sending Our Love Down the Well right here. There was even a mother and daughter on the news who dont know her, flying out to search for her. Honestly, I think they have quite enough people.

re the Portuguese media coverage, I dont know, I know a Portuguese guy in work who is just back from there, he said its the same as here, nothing else on tv. Perhaps when the only developments in the case is more criticism for their own police for no good reason and not a word about the parents theyre getting sick of the portrayal of their country.

Missing Madeline - Anyone else sick of this?

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